'Evil little thing' or defender of the constitution?

[Truthmatters]

Letter to the Danbury Baptists - January 1, 1802 - Wikisource


the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between church and State.


Those are the words of James Madison who is concidered the Father of the constitution.

 

[Truthmatters]

Public education is government in action.

No religion should be proffered there.

 

[StevenC]

Separation of church and state - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In the United States, the term is an offshoot of the phrase, "wall of separation between church and state," as written in Thomas Jefferson's letter to the Danbury Baptist Association in 1802. The original text reads: "... I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between Church & State." Jefferson reflected his frequent speaking theme that the government is not to interfere with religion

Seems to me this clearly is what the courts are doing. They are interfering with religion.

 

[StevenC]

Letter to the Danbury Baptists - January 1, 1802 - Wikisource


the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between church and State.


Those are the words of James Madison who is concidered the Father of the constitution.

Then why doesn't the first admendment have those words?
This is why I said the courts have twisted the 1st admendment.

 

[Truthmatters]

It does have words that say the same thing you just are too stupid to realise it

 

[Katzndogz]

The girl is merely experiencing the consequences of her actions. It is essential to her development into a person who accepts they don't always get their way.

 

[StevenC]

Public education is government in action.

No religion should be proffered there.

By the way, what religion is the plaque tied to? Does it say?

 

[Truthmatters]

James Madison's Veto Messages by Gene Garman


June 3, 1811



I have recd. fellow Citizens your address, approving my Objection to the Bill contain[in]g a grant of public land, to the Baptist Church at Salem Meeting House Missippi Terry. Having always regarded the practical distinction between Religion & Civil Govt as essential to the purity of both, and as guaranteed by the Constn: of the U.S. I could not have otherwise discharged my duty on the occasion which presented itself. Among the various religious Societies in our Country, none have been more vigilant or constant in maintain[in]g that distinction, than the Society of which you make a part, and it is an honourable proof of your sincerity & integrity, that you are as ready to do so, in a case favoring the interest of your brethren, as in other cases. It is but just, at the same time, to the Baptist Church at Salem Meeting House, to remark that their application to the Natl. Legislature does not appear to have contemplated a grant of the Land in question, but on terms that might be equitable to the public as well as to themselves. Accept my friendly respects


James Madison

 

[StevenC]

It does have words that say the same thing you just are too stupid to realise it

Prove it.

Show where the 1st admendment says seperation of church and state.
Even your links showed they come from letters not the constitution.

 

[Truthmatters]

Public education is government in action.

No religion should be proffered there.

By the way, what religion is the plaque tied to? Does it say?

Those that believe in a single god.

No American should be forced to pledge to ANY god

 

[Truthmatters]

It does have words that say the same thing you just are too stupid to realise it

Prove it.

Show where the 1st admendment says seperation of church and state.
Even your links showed they come from letters not the constitution.

Dear Idiot partisan hack,

That is the words of Jamed Madison.

He is considered the Father of the constitution.

Do you know why he is called that?

Because he wrote most if it

 

[Truthmatters]

Having always regarded the practical distinction between Religion & Civil Govt as essential to the purity of both, and as guaranteed by the Constn: of the U.S.


James Madison.


He wrote the lions share of the constitution.

You calling him a liar?

 

[StevenC]

Public education is government in action.

No religion should be proffered there.

By the way, what religion is the plaque tied to? Does it say?

Those that believe in a single god.

No American should be forced to pledge to ANY god

There are lots of religions that worship a single god.
Who is being forced? How are they being forced?

 

[TakeAStepBack]

The federal government has no constitutional authority in education in the first place.

/thread.

 

[StevenC]

It does have words that say the same thing you just are too stupid to realise it

Prove it.

Show where the 1st admendment says seperation of church and state.
Even your links showed they come from letters not the constitution.

Dear Idiot partisan hack,

That is the words of Jamed Madison.

He is considered the Father of the constitution.

Do you know why he is called that?

Because he wrote most if it

Then show me, in the Constitution and not some seperate document, were it says seperation of church and state.
It is my claim, proven by fact, that the seperation clause was added by the courts.
It is also my claim and others, and this is the chief debate, that the courts have gotten it wrong.

 

[Truthmatters]

You are dead wrong.

if you dont like this country then leave

 

[Truthmatters]

Prove it.

Show where the 1st admendment says seperation of church and state.
Even your links showed they come from letters not the constitution.

Dear Idiot partisan hack,

That is the words of Jamed Madison.

He is considered the Father of the constitution.

Do you know why he is called that?

Because he wrote most if it

Then show me, in the Constitution and not some seperate document, were it says seperation of church and state.
It is my claim, proven by fact, that the seperation clause was added by the courts.
It is also my claim and others, and this is the chief debate, that the courts have gotten it wrong.

You are too stupid for words.

the man who wrote it says its guarenteed in the constitution.

You just dont like the way he worded it.

Then leave the country

 

[hortysir]

Well?

Is Jessica Ahlquist an... "'Evil little thing' or defender of the constitution?" You decide but as for me I vote on the side of the seperation of church and state. You constitutionalists should also.







NYT: Atheist teen forces school to remove prayer - US news - The New York Times - msnbc.com

CRANSTON, R.I. She is 16, the daughter of a firefighter and a nurse, a self-proclaimed nerd who loves Harry Potter and Facebook. But Jessica Ahlquist is also an outspoken atheist who has incensed this heavily Roman Catholic city with a successful lawsuit to get a prayer removed from the wall of her high school auditorium, where it has hung for 49 years.

A federal judge ruled this month that the prayer’s presence at Cranston High School West was unconstitutional, concluding that it violated the principle of government neutrality in religion.

In the weeks since, residents have crowded school board meetings to demand an appeal, Jessica has received online threats and the police have escorted her at school, and Cranston, a dense city of 80,000 just south of Providence, has throbbed with raw emotion.

State Representative Peter G. Palumbo, a Democrat from Cranston, called Jessica “an evil little thing” on a popular talk radio show. Three separate florists refused to deliver her roses sent from a national atheist group. The group, the Freedom From Religion Foundation, has filed a complaint with the Rhode Island Commission for Human Rights...

Search function broken again?

How many threads on this do we really need?

 

[Ernie S.]

I am referring to how this girl is being reacted to.

I personally think she's being a tad hysterical.... but 16 year olds are rarely the most rational people on earth. I just don't see the harm with a prayer on a wall.... and I would say the same thing if it was a quote from Karl Marx. It's words - no one should fear words. And words are free speech. Which I passionately defend.... even when those words offend me.

A blunt strike to the psyche can be just as unpleasant as a physical strike to the body. Mental abuse can be just as harmful as physical abuse when one is forced to tolerate.

A prayer on a wall that's been there for 49 years is suddenly a blunt strike to her psyche? What about to the thousands of people who took comfort in seeing those words on the wall for half a century?
This little girl needs to develop a thicker skin. With an attitude like her's, she'll likely take blunt strikes to her psyche pretty much daily in adulthood.

 

[Truthmatters]

You need to develop a love for the constituion