Eviction of 9 Palestinian Families from East Jerusalem by Israeli Police

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This is the real story.

The housing complex in question is located in the Sheik Jarra neighborhood of eastern Jerusalem. The home was originally Jewish, but its Jewish occupants were chased out during countrywide anti-Jewish Arab riots in 1929. Arabs then squatted on the property, with one family, the Hejazi family, becoming the de facto occupants despite never having purchased the property. OK many properties were lost by the Arab, so that might be a legit arguement but...

...Even though documentation proves the complex is owned by Jews and that Arabs have been squatting on it illegally for almost a century, Jewish groups still legally re-purchased the property from the Hejazi family. Following pressure from the Palestinian Authority, however, the family later denied selling the complex back to the Jews despite documentation and other evidence showing the sale went through.

Israel's court system, not exactly a friend of Jewish "settlers," twice ruled now the property undoubtedly belongs to Jews.

Many of the articles on the home use the terms "occupied" and "East Jerusalem." Reuters called it "occupied Arab East Jerusalem." Very disingenious just like Nesar!

According to the United Nations, eastern sections of Jerusalem are not "occupied" but "disputed." Referring to the area as "Arab East Jerusalem" presupposes the outcome of Israeli-Palestinian negotiations that have yet to take place and ignores British documentation that authenticates Jews outnumbered Arabs in eastern Jerusalem from the 1800's until Jews were expelled by Arabs in 1929.

Historically, there was never any separation between eastern and western Jerusalem. The terminology came after Jordan occupied the eastern section of the city, including the Temple Mount, from 1947 until it used the territory to attack the Jewish state in 1967. Israel reunited Jerusalem when it won the 1967 Six Day War, although the Palestinians claim eastern sections for a future capital.

Palestinians never maintained any state or official national entity in Jerusalem. Demographics from the late 1800's show Jews actually outnumbered Arabs in Jerusalem at the time.

The eviction of squatting Arabs from a Jewish-owned property in Jerusalem follows recent U.S. demands for Israel to halt all "settlement activity," meaning Jewish construction, in Jerusalem and the strategic West Bank.

Last month, Israel's ambassador to Washington was summoned by the State Department to demand a Jewish construction project in eastern Jerusalem be immediately halted.

The construction project at the center of attention, a hotel financed by Miami Beach philanthropist Irving Moskowitz, is located just meters from Israel's national police headquarters and other government ministries. It is a few blocks from the country's prestigious Hebrew University, underscoring the centrality of the Jewish real estate being condemned by the U.S.

Moskowitz's housing project, legally purchased, formerly was the house of the infamous mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin al-Husseini, who spent the war years in Berlin as a close ally of Adolf Hitler, aiding and abetting the Nazi extermination of Jews.

Al-Husseini was also linked to the 1929 massacre of Jews in Jerusalem and Hebron and to other acts of incitement that resulted in death and destruction in what was then called Palestine. Some Palestinians have expressed a desire to preserve the building as a tribute to Husseini.

The Arabs, including the PA and Hamas have been able to purchase land in all of Jerusalem, but Jews can't. Yet people can make a rational argument against this that is not based on antisemitism! Shocking!
 
This is the real story.

The housing complex in question is located in the Sheik Jarra neighborhood of eastern Jerusalem. The home was originally Jewish, but its Jewish occupants were chased out during countrywide anti-Jewish Arab riots in 1929. Arabs then squatted on the property, with one family, the Hejazi family, becoming the de facto occupants despite never having purchased the property. OK many properties were lost by the Arab, so that might be a legit arguement but...

...Even though documentation proves the complex is owned by Jews and that Arabs have been squatting on it illegally for almost a century, Jewish groups still legally re-purchased the property from the Hejazi family. Following pressure from the Palestinian Authority, however, the family later denied selling the complex back to the Jews despite documentation and other evidence showing the sale went through.

Israel's court system, not exactly a friend of Jewish "settlers," twice ruled now the property undoubtedly belongs to Jews.

Many of the articles on the home use the terms "occupied" and "East Jerusalem." Reuters called it "occupied Arab East Jerusalem." Very disingenious just like Nesar!

According to the United Nations, eastern sections of Jerusalem are not "occupied" but "disputed." Referring to the area as "Arab East Jerusalem" presupposes the outcome of Israeli-Palestinian negotiations that have yet to take place and ignores British documentation that authenticates Jews outnumbered Arabs in eastern Jerusalem from the 1800's until Jews were expelled by Arabs in 1929.

Historically, there was never any separation between eastern and western Jerusalem. The terminology came after Jordan occupied the eastern section of the city, including the Temple Mount, from 1947 until it used the territory to attack the Jewish state in 1967. Israel reunited Jerusalem when it won the 1967 Six Day War, although the Palestinians claim eastern sections for a future capital.

Palestinians never maintained any state or official national entity in Jerusalem. Demographics from the late 1800's show Jews actually outnumbered Arabs in Jerusalem at the time.

The eviction of squatting Arabs from a Jewish-owned property in Jerusalem follows recent U.S. demands for Israel to halt all "settlement activity," meaning Jewish construction, in Jerusalem and the strategic West Bank.

Last month, Israel's ambassador to Washington was summoned by the State Department to demand a Jewish construction project in eastern Jerusalem be immediately halted.

The construction project at the center of attention, a hotel financed by Miami Beach philanthropist Irving Moskowitz, is located just meters from Israel's national police headquarters and other government ministries. It is a few blocks from the country's prestigious Hebrew University, underscoring the centrality of the Jewish real estate being condemned by the U.S.

Moskowitz's housing project, legally purchased, formerly was the house of the infamous mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin al-Husseini, who spent the war years in Berlin as a close ally of Adolf Hitler, aiding and abetting the Nazi extermination of Jews.

Al-Husseini was also linked to the 1929 massacre of Jews in Jerusalem and Hebron and to other acts of incitement that resulted in death and destruction in what was then called Palestine. Some Palestinians have expressed a desire to preserve the building as a tribute to Husseini.

The Arabs, including the PA and Hamas have been able to purchase land in all of Jerusalem, but Jews can't. Yet people can make a rational argument against this that is not based on antisemitism! Shocking!
Canyou provide proof that they were squatters? That notion totally contradicts the other news sources provided.
 
Even if this has nothing to do with the religion of the people living there, that they are being evicted from their homes that they've lived in for 50 years in order to build apartment buildings, something is not right about that

Most countries have laws of adverse possession.

Here are the elements in America
(1) Actual possession of the property
(2) Open and notorious use of the property
(3) Exclusive use of the property
(4) Hostile or adverse use of the property
(5) Continuous use of the property for at least (I believe) 21 years

Now under these laws when the land was squatted on by the Arabs, adverse possession would lean in the Arab squatter's favor. Never mind the fact about many Arab homes lost during the wars. Therefore if the Jews were trying to go back to 1929 when the Jews fled the property and the Arabs squatted on the land, I would say they really don't have much of a say.

HOWEVER, that is not where the story ends, in fact it could easily be said that is where the story begins.

Later Jews LEGALLY purchased the land from the adverse possessor! They have documents to prove the sale went through. Under pressure from the PA and threats from radicals, the owners denied making the sale. Yet bigots will argue that denying the Jews right to the lands after they legally purchased it is wrong?

Imagine if a Jew sold property in Western Jerusalem to Arabs (happens all the time) collected the money and then when they were supposed to vacate the land in accordance with their contract, the Jews told the Arabs to take a flying fuck. What would bigots like Shogun be saying then (I don't know for sure but something like "fucking dirty scamming Jews)?
 
Brutal colonialism continues unabated in the Occupied territories.

But hey, when you need Lebensraum, you need Lebensraum, huh?

This is not the West Bank, this is Jerusalem, unlike WB and Gaza Jerusalem is considered disputed territory.

Hell even the the original Partition of the land back before '48 made Jerusalem an international city not an Arab city!
 
can you support anything you wrote with hard evidence? the lawsuit history? i'd like to read that.

I haven't examined court records, if that's what you mean, but I have found consistent accounts of the legal history in media accounts.

The eviction came at the end of a long legal process. The families, Hannun and Gawi, say they are refugees from Palestinian neighborhoods in West Jerusalem who lost their homes in the War of Independence.

They were housed by the UN and the Jordanian authorities in East Jerusalem homes that previously belonged to a Sephardic community committee. Israeli courts acknowledged the committee's ownership of the houses, but provided a protected tenant status for the residents.

However, the committee, which supports the Jewish families' bid for the homes, had since claimed that the Palestinian families violated the agreement and demanded their eviction.

U.S. condemns eviction of Arab families from East Jerusalem - Haaretz - Israel News
The issue seems to be the result of the recent bad relations between Turkey and Israel. Although the Ottoman deeds the Jews had presented in the 1970's went unchallenged all these years, since the breakdown in relations between the two countries Turkey gave Palestinian lawyers access to their archives for the first time, and some of these lawyers claim they have proof the Ottoman deed for this property and similar Ottoman deeds for other properties in east Jerusalem are forgeries and they presented their arguments to an Israeli court back in March. Although I haven't followed the history of this forgery argument the fact that that court issued the eviction order seems to indicate it did not consider the evidence of forgery convincing.

It's very sad when anyone loses their home, no matter what the justification. Especially one they've lived in for a long time. This was a second eviction for them. I wonder where the families went. I wonder if new housing was provided for them.

Thanks for providing the info.

Hell they might move to Western Jerusalem or any other part of Israel. No one complains where Arabs move, they only complain where Jews move!
 
This is the real story.

The housing complex in question is located in the Sheik Jarra neighborhood of eastern Jerusalem. The home was originally Jewish, but its Jewish occupants were chased out during countrywide anti-Jewish Arab riots in 1929. Arabs then squatted on the property, with one family, the Hejazi family, becoming the de facto occupants despite never having purchased the property. OK many properties were lost by the Arab, so that might be a legit arguement but...

...Even though documentation proves the complex is owned by Jews and that Arabs have been squatting on it illegally for almost a century, Jewish groups still legally re-purchased the property from the Hejazi family. Following pressure from the Palestinian Authority, however, the family later denied selling the complex back to the Jews despite documentation and other evidence showing the sale went through.

Israel's court system, not exactly a friend of Jewish "settlers," twice ruled now the property undoubtedly belongs to Jews.

Many of the articles on the home use the terms "occupied" and "East Jerusalem." Reuters called it "occupied Arab East Jerusalem." Very disingenious just like Nesar!

According to the United Nations, eastern sections of Jerusalem are not "occupied" but "disputed." Referring to the area as "Arab East Jerusalem" presupposes the outcome of Israeli-Palestinian negotiations that have yet to take place and ignores British documentation that authenticates Jews outnumbered Arabs in eastern Jerusalem from the 1800's until Jews were expelled by Arabs in 1929.

Historically, there was never any separation between eastern and western Jerusalem. The terminology came after Jordan occupied the eastern section of the city, including the Temple Mount, from 1947 until it used the territory to attack the Jewish state in 1967. Israel reunited Jerusalem when it won the 1967 Six Day War, although the Palestinians claim eastern sections for a future capital.

Palestinians never maintained any state or official national entity in Jerusalem. Demographics from the late 1800's show Jews actually outnumbered Arabs in Jerusalem at the time.

The eviction of squatting Arabs from a Jewish-owned property in Jerusalem follows recent U.S. demands for Israel to halt all "settlement activity," meaning Jewish construction, in Jerusalem and the strategic West Bank.

Last month, Israel's ambassador to Washington was summoned by the State Department to demand a Jewish construction project in eastern Jerusalem be immediately halted.

The construction project at the center of attention, a hotel financed by Miami Beach philanthropist Irving Moskowitz, is located just meters from Israel's national police headquarters and other government ministries. It is a few blocks from the country's prestigious Hebrew University, underscoring the centrality of the Jewish real estate being condemned by the U.S.

Moskowitz's housing project, legally purchased, formerly was the house of the infamous mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin al-Husseini, who spent the war years in Berlin as a close ally of Adolf Hitler, aiding and abetting the Nazi extermination of Jews.

Al-Husseini was also linked to the 1929 massacre of Jews in Jerusalem and Hebron and to other acts of incitement that resulted in death and destruction in what was then called Palestine. Some Palestinians have expressed a desire to preserve the building as a tribute to Husseini.

The Arabs, including the PA and Hamas have been able to purchase land in all of Jerusalem, but Jews can't. Yet people can make a rational argument against this that is not based on antisemitism! Shocking!
Canyou provide proof that they were squatters? That notion totally contradicts the other news sources provided.

I have the source somewhere, I have a conference call to jump on to, but I will get to it when I have a chance.

Hey Shogun - Fuck You!
 
Imagine if a Jew sold property in Western Jerusalem to Arabs (happens all the time) collected the money and then when they were supposed to vacate the land in accordance with their contract, the Jews told the Arabs to take a flying fuck. What would bigots like Shogun be saying then (I don't know for sure but something like "fucking dirty scamming Jews)?

Hey, don't blame me if your ethnicity carries it's own Bernie Maddof reputation... Here's an idea: STOP JEWING PEOPLE OVER.

It's funny that the usual suspects reflexivley defend ANYTHING jewish, right or wrong. Maybe someday these jews will come to realize that they are not the only child of that land and that, in fact, non-jews count too.


ps.. fuck you, buddy!

:thup:
 
It followed a ruling by Israel's Supreme Court that Jewish families owned the land. Israel wants to build a block of 20 apartments in the area.

I would want to hear more about this but if the UN and the UK are condemning it and the US is not happy with it, it sounds serious.

So now you suddenly follow the US and UK's opinions? When they "agree" with you their statements are legitimate?

Your first part made the most sense, let's find out more details before passing judgement.
 
It's very sad when anyone loses their home, no matter what the justification. Especially one they've lived in for a long time. This was a second eviction for them. I wonder where the families went. I wonder if new housing was provided for them.

Thanks for providing the info.

Yes, this was not a particularly well-handled situation by the israeli gov't. They could have evicted them as the legal owners were entitled to getting their houses back - BUT provided a comfortable, equivalent place for them to live nearby. Given the sensitivity of the situation, the Israelis could have handled things more humanely... :eusa_eh:
 
On the political side, Israeli Jews cite Jerusalem city records from the 1930's and 1940's that they claim show Jews were in the majority in east Jerusalem before they fled or were driven out when Jordan captured the city in 1948, so from their perspective, the Arabs are claiming east Jerusalem, in part, based on facts on the ground created by war while also denying Israeli claims to land on the same basis. Of course, the Israelis are doing the same thing with respect to the settlements.

Yes and no. From what I read, at some point more recent, the UN apparently sanctioned establishing the area as housing for refugees. That makes it a bit more complicated than the usual "mine, mine, mine" statements from both sides over there.

Either way, if Israel is going to argue that land claims from prior to 1948 should be honored - which is basically the basis for the claim in this case - then they need to recognize that the other direction as well. People lose land in wars; that's just the way it is. But Israel can't justifiably say one side gets their pre-1948 land deeds honored and the other doesn't. That goes both ways, of course. If the Palestinians don't wish to honor pre-1948 land claims, they need to apply that to their own claims as well.

On a side note, one article I read said the people from the houses were offered tents to stay in by the Red Cross, yet they are refusing the shelter being offered. That makes no sense to me, particularly when you have kids. Political statements are nice and all, but providing for your kids should be priority 1 as far as I'm concerned.
 
Hey, don't blame me if your ethnicity carries it's own Bernie Maddof reputation... Here's an idea: STOP JEWING PEOPLE OVER.

Oh, so I was correct in my conclusion in the other thread and you are, in fact, a bigot. Thanks for the blatant confirmation. I would have felt bad if I'd false accused you.
 
It followed a ruling by Israel's Supreme Court that Jewish families owned the land. Israel wants to build a block of 20 apartments in the area.

I would want to hear more about this but if the UN and the UK are condemning it and the US is not happy with it, it sounds serious.

I believe that's another property in the same neighborhood. The evictions were from a property owned by a Sephardic Jewish community that has a deed from the 1890's, and the 20 apartments are to be built on land owned by an American Jew, Irving Moskowitz, who bought the land in 1985. Under Israeli law, it is illegal to discriminate when renting or selling property on the basis of race, religion, ethnicity, etc., but the cases that have been tested in court have all involved Arabs who are Israeli citizens, so I don't know if that will also apply to legal residents in Jerusalem who are not Israeli citizens, but the mayor of Jerusalem, has stated that local law does not allow discrimination against legal residents who are not citizens and has promised to enforce that law with regard to these apartments.
 
Yes and no. From what I read, at some point more recent, the UN apparently sanctioned establishing the area as housing for refugees. That makes it a bit more complicated than the usual "mine, mine, mine" statements from both sides over there.
I never read that. I read that they wanted to make it an international city ruled by the UN (which would be bound for failure, but that is another topic)!


Either way, if Israel is going to argue that land claims from prior to 1948 should be honored - which is basically the basis for the claim in this case - then they need to recognize that the other direction as well. People lose land in wars; that's just the way it is. But Israel can't justifiably say one side gets their pre-1948 land deeds honored and the other doesn't. That goes both ways, of course. If the Palestinians don't wish to honor pre-1948 land claims, they need to apply that to their own claims as well.
I 100% agree with this statement! The Jews can't make pre-'48 claims to homes if they are going to deny Palestinian claims homes. Its hypocritical.

I can't find the article now, because google/yahoo are backlog with articles only on the eviction. But the rest of the story is that the Jewish groups (along with Saudi Groups) have been trying to purchase this land for decades. The Jews finally made an offer that the family in adverse possession of the property accepted. They had a contract and money was exchanged! However, pressure from the PA and Islamic radicals made them deny ever making the sale! This is about a legal sale being reneged on not claims to land pre-'48! Jews should have free right to purchase land in East Jerusalem as the Arabs have to purchase land in Western Jerusalem!


On a side note, one article I read said the people from the houses were offered tents to stay in by the Red Cross, yet they are refusing the shelter being offered. That makes no sense to me, particularly when you have kids. Political statements are nice and all, but providing for your kids should be priority 1 as far as I'm concerned.
Tents? Come on, they are not animals! I see why they refused, but then again they should have never taken the money and signed a contract for sale if they were going to back down to PA and Islamic radicals!




Here is my take:
I think it was legitimate, but beyond stupid! Like or not Israel you are in a PR war and you are losing badly! Icing on the cake in the war would be a preemptive attack on Iran! I believe Israel had a claim on the land once the land was sold, HOWEVER, do a balancing test. Was this small piece of land worth the cost! Absolutely not! In no way shape or form! Evicted people always get sympathy! ALWAYS, because human being sympathize with newly made homeless people! You gave the anti-Israeli segment a nice gem here! Stupid and arrogant! I would have told the Jews that paid money before securing the land, your fault for being stupid, Israel will not take a gigantic PR hit for you! Honestly Israel got little here, yet they lost a lot!
 
I 100% agree with this statement! The Jews can't make pre-'48 claims to homes if they are going to deny Palestinian claims homes. Its hypocritical.

And vice versa.

I can't find the article now, because google/yahoo are backlog with articles only on the eviction. But the rest of the story is that the Jewish groups (along with Saudi Groups) have been trying to purchase this land for decades. The Jews finally made an offer that the family in adverse possession of the property accepted. They had a contract and money was exchanged! However, pressure from the PA and Islamic radicals made them deny ever making the sale! This is about a legal sale being reneged on not claims to land pre-'48! Jews should have free right to purchase land in East Jerusalem as the Arabs have to purchase land in Western Jerusalem!

I haven't read anything like that - if you find the article again, please post the link. Seems like everything over there has about a dozen different versions of "what happened."


Tents? Come on, they are not animals! I see why they refused, but then again they should have never taken the money and signed a contract for sale if they were going to back down to PA and Islamic radicals!

Hey now. As an avid tent camper, I resent that implication. :razz: Personally, if I had a choice between a red cross tent or the streets, which is where they say they are now, I'll take the tent any day of the week. There's people who live in far more primitive conditions than red cross tents.

I agree with you regarding Israel and the PR battle. Although I think that varies by regime, as does the policy on settlements and such.
 
I read an article with a photo of these people's possessions tossed out on the street. I was amazed to learn that Israel is so backwards as to not have laws requiring that the possessions of people who have been evicted be put into storage. That is standard procedure in my state. Though sometimes ignored by some lawless landlords.



http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8180743.stm
 
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In searching for info on eviction procedures in Israel I found this :

Most of West Jerusalem is off-limits to Palestinian residents of Jerusalem in terms of their ability to purchase property. This is because most of West Jerusalem, like most of Israel, is “State Land” (in all, 93% of land in Israel is “State Land,” though the percentage is lower in Jerusalem). Under Israeli law, to qualify to purchase property on “State Land” the purchaser must either be a citizen of Israel (Palestinian Jerusalemites are legal residents if the city, not citizens of Israel) or legally entitled to citizenship under the law of return (i.e. Jewish). This means an Israeli or a Jew from anywhere in the world can purchase such property in West Jerusalem, but not a Palestinian resident of the city. (Technically, by the way, these are generally not purchases but long-term leases.)
With respect to private land in West Jerusalem, legally there are no limitations on Palestinian residents of East Jerusalem purchasing in such areas. Similarly, there are no legal limitations on Palestinian residents of Jerusalem renting in West Jerusalem. However, we are unfamiliar with a single case of a Palestinian who holds Jerusalem residency who is living in West Jerusalem, either through purchase or rental of property (and we are very familiar with this issue). The reasons for this are social, cultural, and economic. This is distinct, by the way, from Arab citizens of Israel, a small number of who do live in West Jerusalem.

In addition, it should be emphasized that the ban on purchase of property on “State Lands” by Palestinian residents of Jerusalem extends to East Jerusalem. Not only are Palestinian Jerusalemites barred from purchasing property in most of West Jerusalem, but they are also barred from purchasing property in the 35% of East Jerusalem that Israel has expropriated as “State Land” since 1967, and on which Israel’s East Jerusalem settlements have been built. This means that in more than 1/3 of East Jerusalem, Israelis and Jews from anywhere in the world have a right to buy property in Israeli settlements, but not Palestinian residents of Jerusalem, including the very residents whose land was expropriated to build these settlements.

The Peace Now Blog » Abusing Jerusalem to Assail Peace: the Case of the Shepherd’s Hotel
 
it's too bad israel is such an easy target. Are you feeling picked on like a white South Africaner circa 1984?

They're an easy target to clueless idiots who think the entire middle east revolves around israel.

boly SHIT! if THAT is not the most ironic quote this week then nothing is.

:rofl:


I think you just pwned yourself, dude!
 
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