Every state's pension crisis, ranked.

[martybegan]

Public sector unions should NEVER have been legalized. They bargain against the public WHO PAYS THEM with tax dollars. The unions solely support Democrats who get into office then give them sweetheart contracts, way above market that the private sector would pay when you factor in salary, BENEFITS, leave, and PENSIONS. Rinse and repeat.

Watch, the states that have mismanaged all this will look for a Federal bailout which means YOU, and I PAY, not the people responsible!

Unions ensure that employees are treated fairly.
Why should an employee have to take on the entire government by himself?

Why should someone have civil service protections AND union protections?

We have created a new class, similar to the Russian Nobles under the Czar who fulfilled the role of the Bureaucracy.

Because they have no advocate otherwise

Why does someone who works for the government need an advocate if there are civil service protections built into their positions?

The problem with civil service unions is the people negotiating against them have no reason to be hard asses because it's "not their money" and unlike a real business they can either raise their income or punt the costs down the road for decades.

i worked in the PO...civil service protections?.....what a joke.....

How hard it is to fire a post office worker, except in the case of theft?

 

[martybegan]

Why should someone have civil service protections AND union protections?

We have created a new class, similar to the Russian Nobles under the Czar who fulfilled the role of the Bureaucracy.

Because they have no advocate otherwise

Why does someone who works for the government need an advocate if there are civil service protections built into their positions?

The problem with civil service unions is the people negotiating against them have no reason to be hard asses because it's "not their money" and unlike a real business they can either raise their income or punt the costs down the road for decades.

Same reason any worker needs an advocate to take on those in power

Sorry, but the normal balance between worker and employer simply doesn't exist within government employment.

Government workers form a block of voters with undue influence in elections.

If you want to work for the government, no union for you.

the normal balance between worker and employer simply doesn't exist within government employment.
you got that right,the govt treats their workers like shit,even with unions...

Government workers are notoriously hard to lay off or fire. Just look at the NYC "rubber rooms" as an example, and yes they still exist even if the NYC Department of Ed denies it.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Unions ensure that employees are treated fairly.
Why should an employee have to take on the entire government by himself?

Why should someone have civil service protections AND union protections?

We have created a new class, similar to the Russian Nobles under the Czar who fulfilled the role of the Bureaucracy.

Because they have no advocate otherwise

Why does someone who works for the government need an advocate if there are civil service protections built into their positions?

The problem with civil service unions is the people negotiating against them have no reason to be hard asses because it's "not their money" and unlike a real business they can either raise their income or punt the costs down the road for decades.

i worked in the PO...civil service protections?.....what a joke.....

How hard it is to fire a post office worker, except in the case of theft?

in my 33 years i have seen terminations for attendance,violence against another,non delivery of mail,helping deliver drugs through the mail,using your position to sell stuff to customers....thats just what i can recall right now....

 

[Harry Dresden]

Because they have no advocate otherwise

Why does someone who works for the government need an advocate if there are civil service protections built into their positions?

The problem with civil service unions is the people negotiating against them have no reason to be hard asses because it's "not their money" and unlike a real business they can either raise their income or punt the costs down the road for decades.

Same reason any worker needs an advocate to take on those in power

Sorry, but the normal balance between worker and employer simply doesn't exist within government employment.

Government workers form a block of voters with undue influence in elections.

If you want to work for the government, no union for you.

the normal balance between worker and employer simply doesn't exist within government employment.
you got that right,the govt treats their workers like shit,even with unions...

Government workers are notoriously hard to lay off or fire. Just look at the NYC "rubber rooms" as an example, and yes they still exist even if the NYC Department of Ed denies it.

not what i was saying was it?....i say that in spite of OSHA and the Dept of Labor workers were and are treated like shit by middle management....i have seen this many a time....

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Are these the public servants that will be laid off if Donny doesn't get his wall money ?

 

[hadit]

Public sector unions should NEVER have been legalized. They bargain against the public WHO PAYS THEM with tax dollars. The unions solely support Democrats who get into office then give them sweetheart contracts, way above market that the private sector would pay when you factor in salary, BENEFITS, leave, and PENSIONS. Rinse and repeat.

Watch, the states that have mismanaged all this will look for a Federal bailout which means YOU, and I PAY, not the people responsible!

Unions ensure that employees are treated fairly.
Why should an employee have to take on the entire government by himself?

Because when the unions and the government bargain over salaries and pensions, neither side is stuck with the bill. They're both bargaining over how much of a third party's resources to spend, a third party that has no leverage or voice in the negotiations.

They have a voice to negotiate all right, then voice themselves right out of the state into a lower taxed state. Money talks, people walk, states go bankrupt.

That's kind of a close the barn door after the cows get out solution.