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[rayboyusmc]

Sure. Then you could add him to your list of evil dictators the Bush's do business with, right?

More nebulosity from the right. Evil Dictators are not elected by the popular vote. You must be thinking of Mushareff.

He was elected in a popular democratic vote. We didn't like the fact that the poor elected a socialist over the right wing rich oil owners. So we may have tried to assasinate him. When there was the civil uprising we jumped on the wrong side before the facts were in and pissed him off more. It was a total screw up from the Bushies one more time.

What right do we have to say what kind of government another country should elect?

Instead of telling him to piss off, we could have won him over to our side before he went to Castro et al. But no, he is a socialist. Doesn't matter if he was fairly elected the first time, we don't honor what the people of his country wanted. Socialism always fails. We could have just waited and sold them all our jeans and coca cola and let them become good capitlists.

The diplomacy of not talking to people you don't like is simply stupid. He could be our buddy right now and not in the pocket of Castro.

At least he was elected. Didn't Mushareff take over with a military coup?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

More nebulosity from the right. Evil Dictators are not elected by the popular vote. You must be thinking of Mushareff.

He was elected in a popular democratic vote. We didn't like the fact that the poor elected a socialist over the right wing rich oil owners. So we may have tried to assasinate him. When there was the civil uprising we jumped on the wrong side before the facts were in and pissed him off more. It was a total screw up from the Bushies one more time.

What right do we have to say what kind of government another country should elect?

Instead of telling him to piss off, we could have won him over to our side before he went to Castro et al. But no, he is a socialist. Doesn't matter if he was fairly elected the first time, we don't honor what the people of his country wanted. Socialism always fails. We could have just waited and sold them all our jeans and coca cola and let them become good capitlists.

The diplomacy of not talking to people you don't like is simply stupid. He could be our buddy right now and not in the pocket of Castro.

At least he was elected. Didn't Mushareff take over with a military coup?

And wasn't he then REELECTED twice? Jeff Davis was Elected too by the way. As for Chavez he lost his bid for total dominance recently and made a big deal about "respecting" the vote. Only to be shown for the liar he was by the news he was going to ignore the vote and seize the power anyway until his Army told him NO.

 

[Gunny]

More nebulosity from the right. Evil Dictators are not elected by the popular vote. You must be thinking of Mushareff.

He was elected in a popular democratic vote. We didn't like the fact that the poor elected a socialist over the right wing rich oil owners. So we may have tried to assasinate him. When there was the civil uprising we jumped on the wrong side before the facts were in and pissed him off more. It was a total screw up from the Bushies one more time.

What right do we have to say what kind of government another country should elect?

Instead of telling him to piss off, we could have won him over to our side before he went to Castro et al. But no, he is a socialist. Doesn't matter if he was fairly elected the first time, we don't honor what the people of his country wanted. Socialism always fails. We could have just waited and sold them all our jeans and coca cola and let them become good capitlists.

The diplomacy of not talking to people you don't like is simply stupid. He could be our buddy right now and not in the pocket of Castro.

At least he was elected. Didn't Mushareff take over with a military coup?

You mean more truth from me. I'm only "from the right" because I am right of you; which, is by no means a hard position to assume.

The fact is, and I offer your every thread as evidence, it really wouldn't matter WHAT Bush did, it would be the wrong thing according to you.

I'd say we have just as much right to express our opinions of who is running other countries and what they are up to as you and "the rest of the world" (whoever the Hell that is) do to continually bash the Hell out anything this country does when we have a Republican President.

You and your "world" are only in agreeance with US policy when we are giving shit away at our expense and asking nothing in return, and sticking our collective, official heads in the sand and pretending bad guys don't exist.

If the rest of the world is none of our business, fine ... quit giving all of our resources away to it for free or at fractional cost and spend them on OUR country. Just another double standard from the left.

 

[rayboyusmc]

You mean more truth from me. I'm only "from the right" because I am right of you; which, is by no means a hard position to assume.

The fact is, and I offer your every thread as evidence, it really wouldn't matter WHAT Bush did, it would be the wrong thing according to you.

Only in your opinion, Gunny. If he did something that I agreed with, I will admit it. It's just very hard for me to find those deeds.


I'd say we have just as much right to express our opinions of who is running other countries and what they are up to as you and "the rest of the world" (whoever the Hell that is) do to continually bash the Hell out anything this country does when we have a Republican President.

Was LBJ a Republican? I believe I have called him a lying SOB also. I never said anything about expressing our opinion. I am talking about interfering in the soveriegn business of another country because we didn't like who they democratically elected.

You and your "world" are only in agreeance with US policy when we are giving shit away at our expense and asking nothing in return, and sticking our collective, official heads in the sand and pretending bad guys don't exist.

That is your right wing bullcrap answer to all liberals. Please show where I said that. I have said we have to KILL AL QUAEDA WHERE THEY FUCKING EXIST, GUNNY. That doesn't seem to fall into your statement. WE don't need a stupid fucking conventional war in Iraq that isn't fighting terrorism at all.

If the rest of the world is none of our business, fine ... quit giving all of our resources away to it for free or at fractional cost and spend them on OUR country. Just another double standard from the left.

No more twisting of the facts from the right. Please again show me and not all the other fucking liberals you seem to hate, where I said that. This bullshit about attacking a whole group when talking to one person is a cop out.

I am against sending our jobs overseas. I am against NAFTA. I actually want what I think is right for our country. I just don't think the war in Iraq was right or needed and now it is a major contributor to our economic problems.

Shit, Gunny, I am not you enemy because we disagree on some issues. That ability to disagree and work it out is what this country was founded on.

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[José]

Originally posted by William Joyce
He interfered with OUR country by going to black areas and offering free oil. The idea was to stoke hatred of evil whitey who denies you poor American blacks and browns what you need. I'd say, boy, you can give the blacks and the browns all the free oil you want. And then take them back to Venezuela with you. You all can have a multicultural socialist orgy.

Holy shit!!

Everything must have racial connotations in Joyce’s world!

The free oil was the way to show he does not have any grudges against the american people only against the US government.

Joyce commenting on astronomy:

Black holes exhibit the typical bad behaviour that characterizes their ethnic group, swallowing entire worlds with no regard for the poor inhabitants of those planets.

 

[José]

Originally posted by GunnyL
If the rest of the world is none of our business, fine ... quit giving all of our resources away to it for free or at fractional cost and spend them on OUR country.

Are you referring to Israel?

 

[José]

Lighten up a bit, people

Toro is absolutely right.

As far as foreign policy is concerned Chavez is just a buffon, a harmless, pathetic autocrat who enjoys making bombastic statements to gain international notoriety.

I call him the south american Idi Amin.

He embarasses Latin America, just like Amin embarassed Africa and the royal family the UK.

 

[Athwart History]

Lighten up a bit, people

Toro is absolutely right.

As far as foreign policy is concerned Chavez is just a buffon, a harmless, pathetic autocrat who enjoys making bombastic statements to gain international notoriety.

I call him the south american Idi Amin.

He embarasses Latin America, just like Amin embarassed Africa and the royal family the UK.

The comparison to Idi Amin, I believe, is an apt one.

It will be interesting to see how the South American community would respond to a Venezuelan- Columbian war. Perhaps this could be HC's undoing.

....just a note, HC here means Hugo Chavez, not Hillary Clinton

 

[Diuretic]

There are some similarities to Zimbabwe, but it is more similar to what happened to Latin America in the 1970s and 1980s. Many of those governments who imploded their economies back then - Argentina, Paraguay - were right-wing as well as left-wing.

Today, there are some well run left-wing countries in South America, such as Brazil and Chile.

It would seem populism may be the common denominator in economic implosions. I know there's more to it than that but I think we're even seeing it in my country where we had a lazy, ineffectual but populist government for 11 years and now we're looking at inflation due to capacity constraints (that's one I'm pretty sure of) that they didn't attempt to deal with.

Anyway I suppose I should get back to Chavez-bashing

 

[rayboyusmc]

Because someone becomes your enemy after you kick him in the nuts, doesn't mean he couldn't have been your ally if you hadn't kicked him in the balls.

 

[nibor]

There are some similarities to Zimbabwe, but it is more similar to what happened to Latin America in the 1970s and 1980s. Many of those governments who imploded their economies back then - Argentina, Paraguay - were right-wing as well as left-wing.

Today, there are some well run left-wing countries in South America, such as Brazil and Chile.

You've made a good point about WINGY gubments, because extremes to either side carries no centrist high ground and flies "crooked", which btw is the problem in our own.....................IMHO