Even George W. Bush Thought He Lost The 2004 Election...Because He Did!!!

[KittenKoder]

candycorn has 1 post...probably a creation of that little Repug pussy bitch DiveCunt.

What a little ankle-biting lightweight crybaby.

DiveCon doesn't have to do that, and even it's against the rules and he wouldn't have been able to respond to your false accusation.

 

[DiveCon]

candycorn has 1 post...probably a creation of that little Repug pussy bitch DiveCunt.

What a little ankle-biting lightweight crybaby.

DiveCon doesn't have to do that, and even it's against the rules and he wouldn't have been able to respond to your false accusation.

i'll tell him hes a fucking idiot straight out
i dont need sockpuppets to do so

 

[candycorn]

candycorn has 1 post...probably a creation of that little Repug pussy bitch DiveCunt.

What a little ankle-biting lightweight crybaby.

Well now I have 2 posts. And I can have quite a bit more if I feel like it.

As for the reasons Bush won Ohio, you can believe me or not but I am right and you're wrong on that count.

If you have proof, file suit and take your chances in court.
If you don't, you should stop wasting your time trying to get people on an obscure message board to believe you.

Truth + 1 = a majority. Without it, you're just one. And I have the feeling you know that so, you'll be here commenting on other persons' motives, making insinuations about their sex lives, or, the most popular thing for people like you to do, somehow bring up the disaster that Bush was in Term #2 and let that somehow justify that he stole the election.

Without any truth or legal action, it doesn't mean schit.

 

[Kerry Won Ohio]

Ohio 2004 Exit Poll
Kerry -- 54.2%
Bush -- 45.4%

Nevada 2004 Exit Poll
Kerry -- 52.9%
Bush -- 45.4%

New Mexico 2004 Exit Poll
Kerry -- 52.9%
Bush -- 45.9%

Source -- original exit poll data reported by pollsters Mitofsky/Edison to the 6 major news organizations at 7:54 pm on election night 2004, as reported in Steve Freeman's book, Was The 2004 Presidential Election Stolen?


Exit polls are NEVER wrong by this much, especially in 3 states in the same election. Kerry won the 2004 election, pure and simple.

 

[Sidestreamer]

Ohio 2004 Exit Poll
Kerry -- 54.2%
Bush -- 45.4%

Nevada 2004 Exit Poll
Kerry -- 52.9%
Bush -- 45.4%

New Mexico 2004 Exit Poll
Kerry -- 52.9%
Bush -- 45.9%

Source -- original exit poll data reported by pollsters Mitofsky/Edison to the 6 major news organizations at 7:54 pm on election night 2004, as reported in Steve Freeman's book, Was The 2004 Presidential Election Stolen?


Exit polls are NEVER wrong by this much, especially in 3 states in the same election. Kerry won the 2004 election, pure and simple.

They're not Ramussen or Gallop or one of the major pollsters, are they? Who's Mitofsky/Edison and what's their history?

 

[Sidestreamer]

Online NewsHour Report: Expert Discusses What Went Wrong with Exit Polls -- November 5, 2004

TERENCE SMITH: Why did the early numbers show Senator Kerry ahead?

MitofskyWARREN MITOFSKY: Well, Kerry was ahead in a number of the -- in a number of the states by margins that looked unreasonable to us. And we suspect that the reason, the main reason, was that the Kerry voters were more anxious to participate in our exit polls than the Bush voters. That wasn't the case in every state. We had a few states that overstated the Republican margin. But for the most part, it was Democratic overstatement for the reason I just gave you.

TERENCE SMITH: So you're saying that some Bush voters would come out of the polling places and simply decline to participate; if so, why?

WARREN MITOFSKY: Well, in an exit poll, everybody doesn't agree to be interviewed. It's voluntary, and the people refuse usually at about the same rate, regardless of who they support. When you have a very energized electorate, which contributed to the big turnout, sometimes the supporters of one candidate refuse at a greater rate than the supporters of the other candidate.

TERENCE SMITH: Well, if you thought those numbers were suspiciously high for Senator Kerry, couldn't you correct the sample, as you say in your business?

WARREN MITOFSKY: Well, we recognized the overstatement in the exit polls in mid-afternoon, and we told the members of NEP about the suspicions we had, which states to ignore. The correction, in this case, is to wait for the vote returns in those same sample precincts and use that for projections. There were no mistakes in the projections. We were very cautious with them, and none were wrong, even though the exit polls did overstate Kerry in a number of states.

(emphases mine)

 

[candycorn]

Ohio 2004 Exit Poll
Kerry -- 54.2%
Bush -- 45.4%

Nevada 2004 Exit Poll
Kerry -- 52.9%
Bush -- 45.4%

New Mexico 2004 Exit Poll
Kerry -- 52.9%
Bush -- 45.9%

Source -- original exit poll data reported by pollsters Mitofsky/Edison to the 6 major news organizations at 7:54 pm on election night 2004, as reported in Steve Freeman's book, Was The 2004 Presidential Election Stolen?


Exit polls are NEVER wrong by this much, especially in 3 states in the same election. Kerry won the 2004 election, pure and simple.

Really? How were the polls conducted?

Kerry won the 2004 election, pure and simple

History would argue otherwise. And it does.

 

[Sidestreamer]

Ohio 2004 Exit Poll
Kerry -- 54.2%
Bush -- 45.4%

Nevada 2004 Exit Poll
Kerry -- 52.9%
Bush -- 45.4%

New Mexico 2004 Exit Poll
Kerry -- 52.9%
Bush -- 45.9%

Source -- original exit poll data reported by pollsters Mitofsky/Edison to the 6 major news organizations at 7:54 pm on election night 2004, as reported in Steve Freeman's book, Was The 2004 Presidential Election Stolen?


Exit polls are NEVER wrong by this much, especially in 3 states in the same election. Kerry won the 2004 election, pure and simple.

Really? How were the polls conducted?

Mitofsky explains how he conducts the polls in the same link I used in my previous post, a bit earlier in the interview.

 

[JW Frogen]

Kerry who?

Next question, who cleaned up Julius Ceasar's blood on the Senate floor?

 

[Kerry Won Ohio]

Ohio 2004 Exit Poll
Kerry -- 54.2%
Bush -- 45.4%

Nevada 2004 Exit Poll
Kerry -- 52.9%
Bush -- 45.4%

New Mexico 2004 Exit Poll
Kerry -- 52.9%
Bush -- 45.9%

Source -- original exit poll data reported by pollsters Mitofsky/Edison to the 6 major news organizations at 7:54 pm on election night 2004, as reported in Steve Freeman's book, Was The 2004 Presidential Election Stolen?


Exit polls are NEVER wrong by this much, especially in 3 states in the same election. Kerry won the 2004 election, pure and simple.

They're not Ramussen or Gallop or one of the major pollsters, are they? Who's Mitofsky/Edison and what's their history?

Warren Mitosky pioneered the exit poll in 1967 and has been conducting exit polls for Presidential elections ever since --

In fact, the exit poll created for the 2004 election was designed to be the most reliable voter survey in history. The six news organizations — running the ideological gamut from CBS to Fox News — retained Edison Media Research and Mitofsky International22, whose principal, Warren Mitofsky, pioneered the exit poll for CBS in 1967 and is widely credited with assuring the credibility of Mexico's elections in 199424. For its nationwide poll, Edison/Mitofsky selected a random subsample of 12,219 voters — approximately six times larger than those normally used in national polls26 — driving the margin of error down to approximately plus or minus one percent

Was the 2004 Election Stolen? : Rolling Stone

 

[KittenKoder]

You almost got one other string fixed ... stop breaking this one, mmkay?

 

[Kerry Won Ohio]

Online NewsHour Report: Expert Discusses What Went Wrong with Exit Polls -- November 5, 2004

TERENCE SMITH: Why did the early numbers show Senator Kerry ahead?

MitofskyWARREN MITOFSKY: Well, Kerry was ahead in a number of the -- in a number of the states by margins that looked unreasonable to us. And we suspect that the reason, the main reason, was that the Kerry voters were more anxious to participate in our exit polls than the Bush voters. That wasn't the case in every state. We had a few states that overstated the Republican margin. But for the most part, it was Democratic overstatement for the reason I just gave you.

TERENCE SMITH: So you're saying that some Bush voters would come out of the polling places and simply decline to participate; if so, why?

WARREN MITOFSKY: Well, in an exit poll, everybody doesn't agree to be interviewed. It's voluntary, and the people refuse usually at about the same rate, regardless of who they support. When you have a very energized electorate, which contributed to the big turnout, sometimes the supporters of one candidate refuse at a greater rate than the supporters of the other candidate.

TERENCE SMITH: Well, if you thought those numbers were suspiciously high for Senator Kerry, couldn't you correct the sample, as you say in your business?

WARREN MITOFSKY: Well, we recognized the overstatement in the exit polls in mid-afternoon, and we told the members of NEP about the suspicions we had, which states to ignore. The correction, in this case, is to wait for the vote returns in those same sample precincts and use that for projections. There were no mistakes in the projections. We were very cautious with them, and none were wrong, even though the exit polls did overstate Kerry in a number of states.

(emphases mine)

This is just total crap. Afraid of stating the obvious (that there was widespread fraud, especially in Ohio), Mitofsky came up with this lame "reluctant Bush voter" theory.

In fact, Mitofsky has absolutely NO EVIDENCE to back up this theory and it has been roundly dismissed by other pollsters. Mitofsky even admitted IN HIS OWN REPORT that he cannot provide any evidence of his "reluctant Bush voter" theory --

In its official postmortem report issued two months after the election, Edison/Mitofsky was unable to identify any flaw in its methodology — so the pollsters, in essence, invented one for the electorate. According to Mitofsky, Bush partisans were simply disinclined to talk to exit pollsters on November 2nd34 — displaying a heretofore unknown and undocumented aversion that skewed the polls in Kerry's favor by a margin of 6.5 percent nationwide35.

Industry peers didn't buy it. John Zogby, one of the nation's leading pollsters, told me that Mitofsky's "reluctant responder" hypothesis is "preposterous36." Even Mitofsky, in his official report, underscored the hollowness of his theory: "It is difficult to pinpoint precisely the reasons that, in general, Kerry voters were more likely to participate in the exit polls than Bush voters37."

Was the 2004 Election Stolen? : Rolling Stone

 

[candycorn]

TERENCE SMITH: Why did the early numbers show Senator Kerry ahead?

MitofskyWARREN MITOFSKY: Well, Kerry was ahead in a number of the -- in a number of the states by margins that looked unreasonable to us. And we suspect that the reason, the main reason, was that the Kerry voters were more anxious to participate in our exit polls than the Bush voters. That wasn't the case in every state. We had a few states that overstated the Republican margin. But for the most part, it was Democratic overstatement for the reason I just gave you.

TERENCE SMITH: So you're saying that some Bush voters would come out of the polling places and simply decline to participate; if so, why?

WARREN MITOFSKY: Well, in an exit poll, everybody doesn't agree to be interviewed. It's voluntary, and the people refuse usually at about the same rate, regardless of who they support. When you have a very energized electorate, which contributed to the big turnout, sometimes the supporters of one candidate refuse at a greater rate than the supporters of the other candidate.

TERENCE SMITH: Well, if you thought those numbers were suspiciously high for Senator Kerry, couldn't you correct the sample, as you say in your business?

WARREN MITOFSKY: Well, we recognized the overstatement in the exit polls in mid-afternoon, and we told the members of NEP about the suspicions we had, which states to ignore. The correction, in this case, is to wait for the vote returns in those same sample precincts and use that for projections. There were no mistakes in the projections. We were very cautious with them, and none were wrong, even though the exit polls did overstate Kerry in a number of states.

(emphases mine)

This is just total crap. Afraid of stating the obvious (that there was widespread fraud, especially in Ohio), Mitofsky came up with this lame "reluctant Bush voter" theory.

In fact, Mitofsky has absolutely NO EVIDENCE to back up this theory and it has been roundly dismissed by other pollsters. Mitofsky even admitted IN HIS OWN REPORT that he cannot provide any evidence of his "reluctant Bush voter" theory --

In its official postmortem report issued two months after the election, Edison/Mitofsky was unable to identify any flaw in its methodology — so the pollsters, in essence, invented one for the electorate. According to Mitofsky, Bush partisans were simply disinclined to talk to exit pollsters on November 2nd34 — displaying a heretofore unknown and undocumented aversion that skewed the polls in Kerry's favor by a margin of 6.5 percent nationwide35.

Industry peers didn't buy it. John Zogby, one of the nation's leading pollsters, told me that Mitofsky's "reluctant responder" hypothesis is "preposterous36." Even Mitofsky, in his official report, underscored the hollowness of his theory: "It is difficult to pinpoint precisely the reasons that, in general, Kerry voters were more likely to participate in the exit polls than Bush voters37."

Bush Won Ohio and the Election.
Its in the history books
Read one sometime.

 

[GRX Dragon]

John Kerry conceded, period. That's all that is needed to win, is a concession from the other candidate...

 

[Truthmatters]

11 hour lines to vote?

funny that all those lines were in heavy democratic areas and that those same areas were given fewer voting machines than less populated more republican districts.

Get over it?

tell that to the dead people Bush created over his two terms

 

[Liability]

Kerry who?

Next question, who cleaned up Julius Ceasar's blood on the Senate floor?

I dunno, but ten to one it was an Honorable Man! So were they all, all Honorable Men.

 

[Kerry Won Ohio]

John Kerry conceded, period. That's all that is needed to win, is a concession from the other candidate...

Yes, Kerry conceded and he regrets it...

Mark Crispin Miller, a New York University professor and author of a new book about the 2004 election entitled Fooled Again, said he discussed the voting issue with Kerry on Oct. 28 when he encountered the senator at a political event.

In a Nov. 4 interview on Amy Goodman’s “Democracy Now,” Miller said he gave Kerry a copy of Fooled Again, prompting Kerry’s comments about the 2004 election results.

“He told me he now thinks the election was stolen,” Miller said. “He said he doesn’t believe that he is the person who can go out front on the issue because of the sour grapes … question. But he said he believes it was stolen. He says he argues about this with his Democratic colleagues on the Hill. He had just had a big fight with Christopher Dodd.”

Miller and Winer said Kerry suspected possible tampering with electronic voting machines, but that he was persuaded by his campaign’s top advisers, including veteran consultant Bob Shrum, that contesting the results only would lead to accusations that Kerry was a sore loser.

Other interesting tidbits --

Based on reporting for Fooled Again, Miller said Kerry told Edwards in a phone call that Shrum and other advisers insisted that a concession was the best course. “They say that if I don’t pull out, they (Kerry’s political opponents) are going to call us sore losers,” Miller said, recounting the substance of Kerry’s phone call to Edwards.

Miller said Edwards responded, “So what if they call us sore losers?” But Kerry pressed ahead with his decision to concede.

“Kerry’s caving in like that gave an enormous gift to the right wing,” Miller said. “They (the conservatives) could now claim, ‘well, even their (the Democrats&#8217 candidate doesn’t think it was stolen. And they (Kerry and his advisers) left … the American people hanging out to dry there.”

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2005/110505.html

 

[Liability]

Even the imbecile John F'n Lurch Kerry thought that President Bush won the election because, well, he DID!!

It takes a truly spectacular imbecile to keep arguing that the person to whom Lurch CONCEDED nevertheless lost to the schmuck who DID the conceding.

 

[Kerry Won Ohio]

11 hour lines to vote?

funny that all those lines were in heavy democratic areas and that those same areas were given fewer voting machines than less populated more republican districts.

Get over it?

tell that to the dead people Bush created over his two terms

This was purposely set up by Ohio Sec of State Ken Blackwell. He removed voting machines from Democratic precincts before the election in order to make the lines extremely long on election day.

The average wait time in Dem districts on election day was 3 hours. The average wait time in Repug districts was 20 minutes. Thousands of Dem voters did not vote in Ohio because the lines were too long.

 

[Kerry Won Ohio]

Liability, fuck off.

You've got no game, no facts, no life, no job, and no intellect. You still haven't refuted anything that Freeman and RFK Jr wrote because you can't, and we both know it. All you know how to do is hold your little cock and yell "BUSH WON".

I'm so superior to you that I shouldn't even respond to your neocon bullshit.