Eugenics and Ethics

[Quantum Windbag]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]When many people first learn about eugenics, they wonder how intelligent people, including highly educated scientists, could have believed so many seemingly bizarre ideas.[/FONT]

Yes, how could anyone ever think lifeforms evolved and traits can be passed on to the next generation.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgyTVT3dqGY"]YouTube - ‪This is Why Every Scientist Accepts Evolution‬‎[/ame]

Clearly, they were totally out of touch with reality

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]A display organized in 1926 by the American Eugenics Society showed a pedigree chart of guinea-pig pelts, with the caption: "Human Mental, Moral and Physical Traits Are Inherited in the Same Manner as Coat Color in Guinea Pigs." From our vantage point in the 21st century, it is easy to look back and dismiss such claims as naive. But how naive were they in the context of the period 1910-1935? To answer this question, we must look at flaws in eugenicists’ research methods, especially when they attempted to study human mental, behavioral, and personality traits.[/FONT]

Actually, moral traits are to a degree heritable.

Evolutionary Psychology

Evolutionary Psychology FAQ

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/13/magazine/13Psychology-t.html

Adult IQ is up to ~ 60% heritable. This, among other subjects is discussed in detail in [ame="http://www.amazon.com/Ethical-Brain-Michael-S-Gazzaniga/dp/1932594019?tag=amaz98-20"]Amazon.com: The Ethical Brain (9781932594010): Michael S. Gazzaniga: Books[/ame]


You don't think physical traits are heritable? Do you know nothing of evolution and basic biology? Start with Mendel and go from there. Come back when you have a clue.

Evolution is not eugenics.

Maybe you should try reading some real science for a change.

ScienceDirect - Biological Psychology : A genome-wide association study of Cloninger's temperament scales: Implications for the evolutionary genetics of personality

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Reprogenetics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

nope... no science at all, eh, windbag?

Again, not eugenics. Still waiting for a school that teaches eugenics.

 

[JBeukema]

Right, pulling the trigger on the fire extinguisher isn't putting out a fire

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Where is that school curriculum? You can posture all you want, but all you have to do to prove me wrong is find one reputable school.

 

[JBeukema]

I linked you to a college, you dolt, and gave you links to searches so you could choose the university of your choice.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

You linked to a school that taught genealogy, and tried to claim that is eugenics. You also keep trying to claim that genetics, evolution, heredity, biology, and nuclear physics are all eugenics. I want a link to a reputable school that teaches eugenics, not one that teaches something else you claim is eugenics when it is not.

 

[JBeukema]

Genealogy/ pedigree is one aspect of eugenic studies, much as thermodynamics is studied by pyrotechnicians and firefighters.

And do link to where I said nuclear physics was eugenics Can you ever go a single thread with lying?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Genealogy/ pedigree is one aspect of eugenic studies, much as thermodynamics is studied by pyrotechnicians and firefighters.

And do link to where I said nuclear physics was eugenics Can you ever go a single thread with lying?

A school that teaches it. Your claim that it is science, and that all biological science that currently exists is part of it, should be easy to prove.

One school.

 

[JBeukema]

Already done. not ,my problem that you're incapable of being honest. Arthur Kostler described the mindset of people like you.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Already done. not ,my problem that you're incapable of being honest. Arthur Kostler described the mindset of people like you.

I am being dishonest?

I already told you how to use Google. Every single aspect of eugenic study and practice is taught in respected universities the world 'round.

eg:

Let me google that for you

That is a search for colleges that teach genetics.

Let me google that for you

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Biology

Let me google that for you

Anthropology

Let me google that for you

Evolution

Let me google that for you

And obstetrics.

Salt Lake Community College - Genealogy

Then you try genealogy.

As I have pointed out, none of these is eugenics. They are all things you claim are part of eugenics, but they are not. Maybe you should try this one.

Let me google that for you

 

[JBeukema]

You want to understand how to pout out a fire, you study thermodynamics, the manner in which water flows through the nozzle at the end of the hose, the characteristics of flammable materials- none of those are firefighting. I guess there's no science to fighting fires by your 'reasoning'

 

[JBeukema]

... study of human genetics and of methods to improve the inherited characteristics, physical and mental, of the human race.

there you have it- ICF, genetics, implantation diagnostics, genomics... all are methodologies and fields of studies that fall under the roof of eugenics

 

[JBeukema]

Galton defined it in many ways, including “the study of all agencies under human control which can improve or impair the racial quality of future generations”

not that Galton would know what eugenics is, right?

 

[JBeukema]

Step one: identifying what traits are present

Preimplantation genetic diagnosis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_testing

 

[JBeukema]

Even your fellow shrills who hate your children and view them as less than dogs scream that 'modern genetics is eugenics' as though that's supposed to be a bad thing.

 

[JBeukema]

After the war eugenicists started to use different names because the term eugenics became unacceptable. Herman Muller started to use “genetic load” and “cost of selection”. The scientific journals also changed their names. The “Annals of Eugenics” became the “Annals of Human Genetics”, “Eugenics Quarterly” became the “Journal of Social Biology”. Eugenicists renamed themselves as population scientists, human geneticists, psychiatrists, anthropologists, and family politicians.

Nigel Hunt reviews The Nazi Connection: Eugenics, American Racism, and German National Socialism by Stefan Khl

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Wow.

Six post and you still did not provide a link to a school that teaches eugenics as a part of their science curriculum.

 

[JBeukema]

I already linked you to the proof. You claimed that IQ and physical traits weren't hereditary- I proved you wrong. You claimed that eugenics is not science and I proved that every aspect of eugenics is grounded in respected science.

All you have is willful ignorance and lies.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

I do not want your version of proof, I want a link to a single reputable school that teaches the science of eugenics.

 

[JBeukema]

I've already provided the links.