Eugenics and Ethics

[JBeukema]

aerodynamics has nothing to do with aeronautic/aerospace engineering


All the science is valid. Morons like you have just been brainwashed to view your children as less than dogs and instinctively foam at the mouth when you hear a certain word.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

aerodynamics has nothing to do with aeronautic/aerospace engineering


All the science is valid. Morons like you have just been brainwashed to view your children as less than dogs and instinctively foam at the mouth when you hear a certain word.

If, as you insist, the science is valid, provide a link to a credible school that teaches it. My bet is that you cannot find any school, even non credible ones, that teach it. You can sit behind the anonymity of the computer in your parents basement all day long and insist that eugenics is a valid science, but until you can point to a school that has it as part of its curriculum you will still be a geek in a basement who is ranting because the world did not change his diaper this morning.

Not that I commented on any of you attept to prove you are an idiot, but www.scribd.com/doc/24103279/Aerodynamics-Aeronautics-and-Flight-Mechanics-McCormick

 

[JBeukema]

do your own research. Genetics, genomic, biology, breeding- all are taught in respected universities the world-round.

 

[JBeukema]

You're one of those idiots who thinks socialism doesn't exist because they call it 'Progressivism' now, aren't you?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

None of which have anything to do with eugenics outside of your confused little mind.

As for socialism, if you think it does not exist you are even more confused than I thought you were.

Socialist Party USA

 

[JBeukema]

So not only do you not know what eugenics is, but you're once again trying to project your confusions onto other people?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

I know what eugenics is, it is an abomination.

 

[JBeukema]

Right, loving your child is an abomination

 

[Quantum Windbag]

I will take your total inability to provide a link to any reputable school with eugenics as part of its science curriculum, anywhere in the world, as an acknowledgment that I am right in stating that it is not a science.

 

[JBeukema]

I already told you how to use Google. Every single aspect of eugenic study and practice is taught in respected universities the world 'round.

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[JBeukema]

Salt Lake Community College - Genealogy

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Genealogy is not eugenics, nor is it science, though you could claim it is history.

1 : an account of the descent of a person, family, or group from an ancestor or from older forms
2 : regular descent of a person, family, or group of organisms from a progenitor or older form : pedigree
3 : the study of family pedigrees
4 : an account of the origin and historical development of something

Genealogy - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

Just admit it, it will be easier on you.

 

[JBeukema]

Genealogy is pedigree.

If you knew anything of genetics, evolution, and eugenics, you'd not make a fool of yourself.

The reason pedigree is so popular in America to this day, and the reason it's traced using the charts it is, is because of the lasting influence of the ABA's eugenics branch and the efforts of Davenport et al.

Pedigree was redubbed 'genealogy' just as Cold Spring Harbor replaced the word 'eugenics' with 'genetics', but all the science and the end goal of improving the human form and condition remain unchanged.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Genealogy is pedigree.

If you knew anything of genetics, evolution, and eugenics, you'd not make a fool of yourself.

The reason pedigree is so popular in America to this day, and the reason it's traced using the charts it is, is because of the lasting influence of the ABA's eugenics branch and the efforts of Davenport et al.

Pedigree was redubbed 'genealogy' just as Cold Spring Harbor replaced the word 'eugenics' with 'genetics', but all the science and the end goal of improving the human form and condition remain unchanged.

Mormon's have been tracing their genealogy since they moved to Utah because their religion teaches them that the family is central to God's plan. That has absolutely nothing to do with eugenics, unless you are going to try and claim that eugenics includes being Mormon. You are getting more desperate every time you post, just give it up and get out of your parents basement. Pretend you never tried to prove your absurd claim. If you don't you will still be there when you get to be their age.

It amazes me that you keep citing Cold Spring Harbor Laboratories without ever linking to what they have to say about eugenics or mentioning how they now dedicate an entire section of their website to teaching about the dangers of eugenics and apologizing for their role in promoting it.

It amazes me that you claim CSHL changed the name from eugenics to genetics, while ignoring the fact that the William Bateson, the man who first used the term, was never associated with them.

It amazes me that you think you can educate me about history at all when you do not understand the history of eugenics enough to know how stupid it is to claim that it was ever science.

Would you care to continue to challenge my knowledge of a subject you know less than nothing about?

Since all you have succeeded in doing every time you post is make yourself look more foolish, even going so far as to try and claim that aerodynamics has nothing to do with aeronautics, I suggest you run away with your tail between your legs like you usually do when you cannot deal with facts. whatever misguided book you picked up from that secondhand bookstore is woefully outdated and wrong. Keep it as a souvenir of your youthful indiscretion, I still treasure my Eric von Daniken books that I searched for so industriously when I was about 12, and even use them occasionally to prove how stupid I was.

 

[JBeukema]

We don't even build basements around here. Occasionally, you'll find someplace with a root cellar, but that's rare.

Of course they try to be PC and save face, but to this day they still brag

Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory is a world-renowned research and educational institution with programs in cancer, neuroscience, plant biology, genomics and bioinformatics. The Laboratory is recognized internationally for its excellence in research and educational activities.

Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory - Human Resources Department - Jobs at CSHL

Neuroscience ties into neuroethics, which which, alongside evolutionary psychology, continues the Darwinian movement which preceded and was deeply intertwined with the eugenics movement- indeed, it was part and parcel with eugenics, as nearly every leading eugenicist embraced some form of Darwinism and few Darwinist could deny that it logically implied some form of eugenics- the major division being between those who, through the derivation of ethics from evolutionary theory, supported compulsory forms of eugenics, and those who rejected Darwinian ethics and were more sympathetic towards what is now called liberal eugenics.

[ame=http://www.amazon.com/Darwin-Hitler-Evolutionary-Eugenics-Germany/dp/1403965021?tag=amaz98-20]Amazon.com: From Darwin to Hitler: Evolutionary Ethics, Eugenics, and Racism in Germany (9781403965028): Richard Weikart: Books[/ame]

And genomics? The desire to understand the genome is part and parcel with the desire to, with this understanding, prevent genetic disease and malfunction- thereby improving the human form, the very definition of eugenics: ensuring that the next generation is born well.

Eugenics has long been a part of my regular studies. I myself am a proponent of eugenics, as is widely known here. I am a man who sees it as his moral duty to see that his children are born well, fed well, given shoes for there feet, vaccinated- that is, I believe one's children should be cared for. If you cannot understand that, I question your very humanity. Humanity has made great strides in improving his condition, and those who care not only for their own blood, but for humanity as a whole, it is only right that we use our sciences to continue to fight off disease and improve the form and condition of the species so those who come after us may benefit from humanity's efforts. That is why inoculations, preimplantation diagnostics, genomics, and whatever other methods Man might perfect must be developed, mastered, and put to use to further alleviate the suffering of Man and improve upon the lot the raw and brutal forces of nature would deal all people. Man builds roads, develops medicines, and masters his genome for this very purpose- it is a drive ingrained in the moral psyche of all good people.

 

[JBeukema]

ince all you have succeeded in doing every time you post is make yourself look more foolish, even going so far as to try and claim that aerodynamics has nothing to do with aeronautics,

That's high-larious. Where do you come up with this shit?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

We don't even build basements around here. Occasionally, you'll find someplace with a root cellar, but that's rare.

Of course they try to be PC and save face, but to this day they still brag

Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory is a world-renowned research and educational institution with programs in cancer, neuroscience, plant biology, genomics and bioinformatics. The Laboratory is recognized internationally for its excellence in research and educational activities.

Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory - Human Resources Department - Jobs at CSHL

Neuroscience ties into neuroethics, which which, alongside evolutionary psychology, continues the Darwinian movement which preceded and was deeply intertwined with the eugenics movement- indeed, it was part and parcel with eugenics, as nearly every leading eugenicist embraced some form of Darwinism and few Darwinist could deny that it logically implied some form of eugenics- the major division being between those who, through the derivation of ethics from evolutionary theory, supported compulsory forms of eugenics, and those who rejected Darwinian ethics and were more sympathetic towards what is now called liberal eugenics.

[ame="http://www.amazon.com/Darwin-Hitler-Evolutionary-Eugenics-Germany/dp/1403965021?tag=amaz98-20"]Amazon.com: From Darwin to Hitler: Evolutionary Ethics, Eugenics, and Racism in Germany (9781403965028): Richard Weikart: Books[/ame]

And genomics? The desire to understand the genome is part and parcel with the desire to, with this understanding, prevent genetic disease and malfunction- thereby improving the human form, the very definition of eugenics: ensuring that the next generation is born well.

Eugenics has long been a part of my regular studies. I myself am a proponent of eugenics, as is widely known here. I am a man who sees it as his moral duty to see that his children are born well, fed well, given shoes for there feet, vaccinated- that is, I believe one's children should be cared for. If you cannot understand that, I question your very humanity. Humanity has made great strides in improving his condition, and those who care not only for their own blood, but for humanity as a whole, it is only right that we use our sciences to continue to fight off disease and improve the form and condition of the species so those who come after us may benefit from humanity's efforts. That is why inoculations, preimplantation diagnostics, genomics, and whatever other methods Man might perfect must be developed, mastered, and put to use to further alleviate the suffering of Man and improve upon the lot the raw and brutal forces of nature would deal all people. Man builds roads, develops medicines, and masters his genome for this very purpose- it is a drive ingrained in the moral psyche of all good people.

You are going to make me break out my t-shirt again, aren't you?

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]When many people first learn about eugenics, they wonder how intelligent people, including highly educated scientists, could have believed so many seemingly bizarre ideas. How could anyone accept the simplistic notion that complex human behaviors are determined by single genes or that mental tests designated more than three/fourths of all Russian and Polish immigrants to the U.S. as feebleminded?[/FONT]

Social Origins of Eugenics

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]A display organized in 1926 by the American Eugenics Society showed a pedigree chart of guinea-pig pelts, with the caption: "Human Mental, Moral and Physical Traits Are Inherited in the Same Manner as Coat Color in Guinea Pigs." From our vantage point in the 21st century, it is easy to look back and dismiss such claims as naive. But how naive were they in the context of the period 1910-1935? To answer this question, we must look at flaws in eugenicists’ research methods, especially when they attempted to study human mental, behavioral, and personality traits.[/FONT]

Social Origins of Eugenics

That is some of what your precious resource says about your favorite non science, shall I keep citing the source?

 

[JBeukema]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]When many people first learn about eugenics, they wonder how intelligent people, including highly educated scientists, could have believed so many seemingly bizarre ideas.[/FONT]

Yes, how could anyone ever think lifeforms evolved and traits can be passed on to the next generation.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgyTVT3dqGY]YouTube - ‪This is Why Every Scientist Accepts Evolution‬‎[/ame]

Clearly, they were totally out of touch with reality

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]A display organized in 1926 by the American Eugenics Society showed a pedigree chart of guinea-pig pelts, with the caption: "Human Mental, Moral and Physical Traits Are Inherited in the Same Manner as Coat Color in Guinea Pigs." From our vantage point in the 21st century, it is easy to look back and dismiss such claims as naive. But how naive were they in the context of the period 1910-1935? To answer this question, we must look at flaws in eugenicists’ research methods, especially when they attempted to study human mental, behavioral, and personality traits.[/FONT]

Actually, moral traits are to a degree heritable.

Evolutionary Psychology

Evolutionary Psychology FAQ

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/13/magazine/13Psychology-t.html

Adult IQ is up to ~ 60% heritable. This, among other subjects is discussed in detail in [ame=http://www.amazon.com/Ethical-Brain-Michael-S-Gazzaniga/dp/1932594019?tag=amaz98-20]Amazon.com: The Ethical Brain (9781932594010): Michael S. Gazzaniga: Books[/ame]


You don't think physical traits are heritable? Do you know nothing of evolution and basic biology? Start with Mendel and go from there. Come back when you have a clue.
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[JBeukema]

What 'precious; resource' are you babbling about, you sad little man?

 

[JBeukema]

Reprogenetics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

nope... no science at all, eh, windbag?