EU & Russia win-win?

[Sonc]

Now if you have some REAL evidence... show it. I would LOVE to see REAL evidence.

I understand your irony.
But this is a serious question.
It's not the cookies =)) of course)
The fact that several amerikansih politicians have spoken real political slogans.
Calls for action.
In a foreign country.
Do you think they had the right to do so?
Do you think this is not evidence?




Peaceful protest?
The senator did not see the black and red flags? Right Sector - fascists.

Right Sector (Ukrainian: Правий сектор, Pravyi Sektor) is a far-rightUkrainian nationalist political party that originated in November 2013 as a paramilitary confederation at the Euromaidan protests in Kiev, where its street fighters fought against riot police.[7][8]

@as a paramilitary confederation@
@fought against riot police@

What this asshole say? Peaceful protest?


1:45
"America with y"

 

[Andylusion]

Now if you have some REAL evidence... show it. I would LOVE to see REAL evidence.

I understand your irony.
But this is a serious question.
It's not the cookies =)) of course)
The fact that several amerikansih politicians have spoken real political slogans.
Calls for action.
In a foreign country.
Do you think they had the right to do so?
Do you think this is not evidence?



Peaceful protest?
The senator did not see the black and red flags? Right Sector - fascists.

Right Sector (Ukrainian: Правий сектор, Pravyi Sektor) is a far-rightUkrainian nationalist political party that originated in November 2013 as a paramilitary confederation at the Euromaidan protests in Kiev, where its street fighters fought against riot police.[7][8]

@as a paramilitary confederation@
@fought against riot police@

What this asshole say? Peaceful protest?


1:45
"America with y"

Yes, there were black and red flags. Like 2 in thousands. Most were Ukraine.

Let me ask you this.... do you think a speech, is going to overthrow Russia? Do you think a black and red flag, is going to defeat the Russian military?

I don't care how many speeches someone makes. Nor do I care how many flags are waving.

Flags and speeches, do not overthrow a government.

Guns, weapons, body armor, tanks, explosives, ordinance, munitions.

When Russia seized and stole, Crimea from the Ukraine... did Putin send in speeches and flags?
When he invaded east Ukraine, what did he send?

No, he sent weapons, guns, tanks, soldiers.

When you say that American toppled the Ukraine government, this is the evidence I'm looking for.

Can you show US weapons drops? Can you show US armor? Can you show large cash pay offs?

Because I can show evidence of Russia involvement. Can you show US involvement? Not speeches and cookies.

 

[Sonc]

Let me ask you this.... do you think a speech, is going to overthrow Russia?

I can come to the US, and urge to kill Americans?

Do you think a black and red flag, is going to defeat the Russian military?

Russian military? Of course not. But defenseless people - yes. Not only Russian.

The massacres of Poles in Volhynia and Eastern Galicia (Polish: rzeź wołyńska, literally: Volhynian slaughter;Ukrainian: Волинська трагедія, Volyn tragedy) were part of an ethnic cleansing operation carried out in Nazi German-occupied Poland by the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA)'s North Command in the regions of Volhynia (Reichskommissariat Ukraine) and their South Command in ) beginning in March 1943 and lasting until the end of 1944. The peak of the massacres took place in July and August 1943. Most of the victims were women and children. The actions of the UPA resulted in 35,000-60,000 Polish deaths in Volhynia and 25,000-40,000 in Eastern Galicia. For other estimates, see the tables below.

Flags and speeches, do not overthrow a government.
Guns, weapons, body armor, tanks, explosives, ordinance, munitions.
When Russia seized and stole, Crimea from the Ukraine... did Putin send in speeches and flags?

1) Crimea is Russian territory.
90% want to live in Russia.
What is the problem?

2)
The problem is that you have shown only part of the story.
US news reports said. People took to the streets. They were unarmed. It was just a conversation.
But Russian troops were brought.
It was not a conversation. It was not a "speeches".
It was a rape and murder. US news it does not shown.



This is a peaceful protest?
0:30


In Crimea, no one was killed.




This is a "tyrant" Putin



This democratically elected Obama?
https://v1.std3.ru/32/40/1404978556-3240ad5ea0fa7ed849fe5fe1c352ea2e.jpeg

It is ridiculous.

 

[Andylusion]

Let me ask you this.... do you think a speech, is going to overthrow Russia?

I can come to the US, and urge to kill Americans?

Do you think a black and red flag, is going to defeat the Russian military?

Russian military? Of course not. But defenseless people - yes. Not only Russian.

The massacres of Poles in Volhynia and Eastern Galicia (Polish: rzeź wołyńska, literally: Volhynian slaughter;Ukrainian: Волинська трагедія, Volyn tragedy) were part of an ethnic cleansing operation carried out in Nazi German-occupied Poland by the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA)'s North Command in the regions of Volhynia (Reichskommissariat Ukraine) and their South Command in ) beginning in March 1943 and lasting until the end of 1944. The peak of the massacres took place in July and August 1943. Most of the victims were women and children. The actions of the UPA resulted in 35,000-60,000 Polish deaths in Volhynia and 25,000-40,000 in Eastern Galicia. For other estimates, see the tables below.

Flags and speeches, do not overthrow a government.
Guns, weapons, body armor, tanks, explosives, ordinance, munitions.
When Russia seized and stole, Crimea from the Ukraine... did Putin send in speeches and flags?

1) Crimea is Russian territory.
90% want to live in Russia.
What is the problem?

2)
The problem is that you have shown only part of the story.
US news reports said. People took to the streets. They were unarmed. It was just a conversation.
But Russian troops were brought.
It was not a conversation. It was not a "speeches".
It was a rape and murder. US news it does not shown.



This is a peaceful protest?
0:30


In Crimea, no one was killed.




This is a "tyrant" Putin



This democratically elected Obama?
https://v1.std3.ru/32/40/1404978556-3240ad5ea0fa7ed849fe5fe1c352ea2e.jpeg

It is ridiculous.

No one is going to Russia, to tell people to kill Russians.

If Mexicans invaded Texas, yes, people would go to Texas, and tell them to kill Mexicans.

Photos from who knows, doesn't make a case.

Putin doing a photo-op, is not convincing of anything.

 

[Sonc]

No one is going to Russia, to tell people to kill Russians.

It said the US news. But this is not true.
Oleksandr Muzychko - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Muzychko has vowed to fight "communists, Jews and Russians for as long as blood flows in my veins".
During the First Chechen War he led the UNA-UNSO "Viking" group.
"Viking" group.
He fought under the command of Basayev.
Shamil Basayev - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Beslan school siege - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So Muzychko talked with the prosecutor


"Who wants to take my weapons - let him try.
Right sector wore weapons and would wear."

For us, black and red flags, this is also for you 11 September.

But the same man on the same podium as McCain.


I urge people to arm themselves.
We kicked the police out of the area.

Peaceful protest?

 

[Andylusion]

No one is going to Russia, to tell people to kill Russians.

It said the US news. But this is not true.
Oleksandr Muzychko - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Muzychko has vowed to fight "communists, Jews and Russians for as long as blood flows in my veins".
During the First Chechen War he led the UNA-UNSO "Viking" group.
"Viking" group.
He fought under the command of Basayev.
Shamil Basayev - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Beslan school siege - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So Muzychko talked with the prosecutor


"Who wants to take my weapons - let him try.
Right sector wore weapons and would wear."

For us, black and red flags, this is also for you 11 September.

But the same man on the same podium as McCain.


I urge people to arm themselves.
We kicked the police out of the area.

Peaceful protest?

WHat does this matter? Are you saying, that because of this one guy, you are justified in slaughtering thousands of Ukrainians?

Does the mistakes of one person, or even one little group of people, mean that you are now justified in unlimited murder?

So what if he protests violently. That's for Ukraine to deal with, not you. You don't like that guy? Ok, go to Russia.

If everyone was justified in murdering everyone... whenever any society had a nut case.... then every society on the face of the planet would be governed by anarchy. We would all be slaughtering each other until the entire human race died out.

There are people in the US who have said they were going to kill the jews and this group and that group. Does that mean we all grab guns, and start slaughtering everyone?

This is not a justification for the actions of Russia. It never was, and never will be. If you believe that, then you are an evil person.

 

[Sonc]

WHat does this matter?

This means that your words are not correct.
No one is going to Russia, to tell people to kill Russians.

First you said that no one called to kill the Russian.
I gave evidence.
But you did not take them.
You write - Soo.. it's just 1 person.
It is not one person. This 1 leader.

Right sector has 10 000 active fighters.
This is not the grandparents, who are peacefully standing with placards.
This radical nationalists, who took in the hands of a real weapon.
Ready to kill and kill already.

If everyone was justified in murdering everyone... whenever any society had a nut case.... then every society on the face of the planet would be governed by anarchy. We would all be slaughtering each other until the entire human race died out.

I agree. And something like this, Putin said.
But if to you in the street a man came up and began to beat you, what will you do? And who is to blame for the fight?

you are justified in slaughtering thousands of Ukrainians?

In Crimea, no one person was killed.
What are you talking about?

 

[Maggdy]

" EU-Russian relations must consider Europe’s interests
March 16, 2016

“Europe’s interests must be considered as the starting point of relations between the EU and Russia; it is important that a pragmatic dialogue based on common sense and mutual respect is again established between the parties”, Minister of Foreign Affairs and Trade Péter Szijjártó said on Monday at a meeting of EU foreign ministers in Brussels.
At a press conference following the meeting’s morning session, Mr. Szijjártó said that in addition to re-establishing dialogue it is also important to the EU that peace should be restored in Ukraine and that we maintain the possibility of establishing comprehensive economic and trade cooperation “all the way from Lisbon to Vladivostok”.

“Certain Central European countries simply cannot afford not to speak with Russia (…) everyone must accept that direct relations with Russia are absolutely necessary and extremely important to us”, the Minister stressed.

According to Mr. Szijjártó, we must recognise that EU sanctions against Moscow are having an extremely negative effect not only on the Russian economy, but also on that of Ukraine and several other EU member states including Hungary. In addition, global challenges can be faced more easily if we cooperate with the Russians, he added.

With relation to the Minsk Agreement, the Hungarian Foreign Minister emphasised that we have still not made any progress with regard to compliance, but “it must be clear that this is the responsibility of both parties”. “It takes two to tango”: both parties must comply with their obligations, he said.

In the interests of maintaining European unity it is important that decisions on Russian sanctions should not be made “under the table” and should be preceded by a high level political debate. The European Union must accept that common decisions affect member states to different extents; Hungary for instance has suffered losses of some 4.5 billion US Dollars as a result of the sanctions imposed against Russia. And finally, whether or not a country can or cannot speak with Russia must not be dependent on its size; we must also do away with double standards in this area, Mr. Szijjártó told reporters.

Hungary’s chief diplomat also spoke about another important topic of the meeting of foreign ministers: Iran. The nuclear agreement is a huge success that clearly indicates the strength of multilateral diplomacy, he declared, adding that it is in Europe’s interests for stability to be established in the Near East as soon as possible, and Teheran could play a key role in this process.

EU foreign ministers discussed the crisis in Libya during a working lunch, following which the meeting’s afternoon session will focus on the situation in the Near East."
Source: http://www.kormany.hu/en/ministry-o...an-relations-must-consider-europe-s-interests

 

[Maggdy]

I have my doubts. Again? It was not a bad "marriage"?
I remember well?

Market positions of Hungarian enterprises in Russia must be regained
March 22, 2016

“Hungarian-Russian industrial cooperation has a long history and the Government must regain certain Russian market positions for Hungarian enterprises”, Minister of Foreign Affairs and Trade Péter Szijjártó declared at a press conference following his meeting with the Russian Minister of Industry and Trade.

Negotiations were centred on how Hungarian enterprises could become more involved in industrial activities on the Russian market, he added. Also discussed, was how Hungarian and Russian industrial corporation could achieve success on foreign markets, he continued, adding that this is important because the majority of sanctions and embargo measures do not affect trade cooperation.


Mr. Szijjártó pointed out that industrial cooperation between the two countries has lost impetus recently and is no longer as close as it once was, and this is not only due to recent processes in Europe, but, amongst others, also a result of changes in economic structure.

The Foreign Minister said one of the most important areas of cooperation was the automotive industry. Hungarian enterprises would like to make use of Hungarian funding to take part in the tender published by Egyptian State Railways, where there is an opportunity for the shipment of 700 railway carriages. The opportunity has not escaped the attention of Russian enterprises either, and negotiations to enable Russian and Hungarian companies to participate in the investment project via Hungarian-Russian cooperation are moving forward well, he added.

Mr. Szijjártó also mentioned the fact that a Russian company had won the opportunity to refurbish Budapest’s M3 metro line. It is in Hungary’s interests for Hungarian enterprises to also profit from the project, and fair negotiations are also underway in this respect, he indicated.

The two countries would also like to tighten cooperation with regard to supplying parts for the automotive industry.

There is high demand for Hungarian water management solutions in Russia and in future the Hungarian Water Industry Cluster led by Budapest Waterworks will have the opportunity to participate in operating the water systems of Russian cities, he told the press.

Mr. Szijjártó also spoke about the fact that Hungarian agriculture had been especially badly hit by the Russian embargo, leading to a significant reduction in Hungarian food exports to Russia. However, several successful projects are ongoing in Mordovia, Chelyabinsk and Rostov County within the field of food industry processing and technologies, the Minister said, adding that Hungary would like to maintain the current level of exports of Hungarian agricultural and food processing industry technologies to Russia.

Also discussed at the meeting was the case of Dunaferr, and negotiations are expected to gain new impetus following recent changes at the head of Russia’s state bank, Vneshekonombank (VEB). A solution must be found that is mutually favourable to both the Hungarian and Russian party and that solves the situation while retaining Hungarian jobs and preserving Hungarian heavy industry traditions, the Foreign Minister said.

The Minister also said he also told the Russian Minister of Industry and Trade that Hungarian oil company MOL is open to further cooperation with Russia within the fields of exploration and extraction. 6.5 percent of MOL’s activities are currently related to Russia, and this is an important field that we would like to expand, he added. In reply to a question, Mr. Szijjártó said that the Paks nuclear power plant project, which will guarantee Hungarian energy security and help maintain low public utility prices, was continuing according to the predetermined schedule and the Government had settled all matters with Europe’s institutions. The project was only mentioned in passing during Tuesday’s meeting and is moving forward according to the related agreement, the Minister said.

At the press conference, Russian Minister of Industry and Trade Denis Manturov said the tragedy in Brussels was proof that countries face common dangers.

With regard to the negotiations, Mr. Manturov said they had reviewed bilateral relations within the fields of the machine industry and transport and indicated that Russian not only has an interest in shipping Budapest metro cars and Russian technology to Hungary, but also in developing cooperation aimed at third countries that would enable the joint shipping of Hungarian-Russian technologies to foreign markets.

Civil aviation was also mentioned at the meeting, Mr. Manturov said, according to whom Hungary should also have its own airline and this is something that Moscow also has an interest in and a proposal for.

(Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade)
Source: http://www.kormany.hu/en/ministry-o...garian-enterprises-in-russia-must-be-regained

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Apparently Russia is funding the UK Brexit campaign through offshore companies.

 

[Igrok_]

Apparently Russia is funding the UK Brexit campaign through offshore companies.

works on UK independence? No way!

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Apparently Russia is funding the UK Brexit campaign through offshore companies.

works on UK independence? No way!

Its in Private Eye but there is no link.
Its the Leave EU group which has been funded off shore by mystery donors.However that tit Galloway is one of their leaders and he is owned by Putin. One of the other donors is also married to a women who may or maybe not a russian spy. Putin is no friend of the EU and would welcome some destabilisation there. He would be negligent if he didnt do something.

 

[Igrok_]

Apparently Russia is funding the UK Brexit campaign through offshore companies.

works on UK independence? No way!

Its in Private Eye but there is no link.
Its the Leave EU group which has been funded off shore by mystery donors.However that tit Galloway is one of their leaders and he is owned by Putin. One of the other donors is also married to a women who may or maybe not a russian spy. Putin is no friend of the EU and would welcome some destabilisation there. He would be negligent if he didnt do something.

don't think russia wants muslim eurostan instead of more or less christian europe.