EU may suspend nations with secret CIA prisons...

[insein]

Look at the all high and mighty EU. Please. Worry about your own shit for a change.

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/11/28/D8E5G0SG2.html

EU May Suspend Nations With Secret Prisons
Nov 28 8:04 AM US/Eastern

EU Justice and Home Affairs Commissioner Franco Frattini warned Monday any EU nation found to have operated secret CIA prisons could have their EU voting rights suspended.

"I would be obliged to propose to the Council (of EU Ministers) serious consequences, including the suspension of voting rights in the Council," Frattini said at a counter-terrorism conference.

 

[Hobbit]

I wonder if the EU really thinks those countries will care after we give them economic incentives to let us keep our camps?

 

[Gunny]

Look at the all high and mighty EU. Please. Worry about your own shit for a change.

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/11/28/D8E5G0SG2.html

Please .... not THAT!!!

Who gives a flip?

 

[Psychoblues]

Dead on, Hobbit.

They may suffer, we'll see about the warring. Get it?

Psychoblues

I wonder if the EU really thinks those countries will care after we give them economic incentives to let us keep our camps?

 

[Gunny]

Dead on, Hobbit.

They may suffer, we'll see about the warring. Get it?

Psychoblues

One can only regret that YOU aren't a guest of some such facility. But then, they want intelligence, which clearly rules YOU out.

 

[archangel]

Condi Rice is on the way...."Rice to make statement on Secret Prison issue"...

go to: www.newsmax.com headline news scroll down to story click on!

 

[Mariner]

mentality, where the enemy were clearly identified by their swastikas or red dots.

In the struggle with Islamic fundamentalist terrorists (or any type, for that matter), Public Relations IS the war. Terrorists are not members of a standing army. They are people made so angry by what the believe to be true about us that they are willing to commit to armed struggle against us. Each time a revelation of unethical behavior comes out--Abu Ghraib, rendition, CIA prisons--we create more terrorists, instantly.

By contrast, when we do things like provide tsunami and earthquake relief, we immunize a group of people against terrorists--those who have direct memories of the U.S. helping them.

This war has been disastrous because it has dramatically lowered the Muslim world's estimation of the U.S. That, by definition, is losing the war against terrorism.

Mariner.

 

[insein]

mentality, where the enemy were clearly identified by their swastikas or red dots.

In the struggle with Islamic fundamentalist terrorists (or any type, for that matter), Public Relations IS the war. Terrorists are not members of a standing army. They are people made so angry by what the believe to be true about us that they are willing to commit to armed struggle against us. Each time a revelation of unethical behavior comes out--Abu Ghraib, rendition, CIA prisons--we create more terrorists, instantly.

By contrast, when we do things like provide tsunami and earthquake relief, we immunize a group of people against terrorists--those who have direct memories of the U.S. helping them.

This war has been disastrous because it has dramatically lowered the Muslim world's estimation of the U.S. That, by definition, is losing the war against terrorism.

Mariner.

Wrong. You lack the understanding that its not our actions that create these terrorists. ITs their religion that does it. Their leaders lie to them and convince them that Islam's ultimate goal is to rid the world of "non-believers." Thus they recruit young minds and brainwash them into believing in this faith. Whether the US was around or not, these people would still be doing what they are doing.

You act like military prisons are a new thing. These are places where the enemy is held and questioned so that information that could save soldiers lives can be brought forth. No prisons means that we are just killing every suspected terrorist we come across and are gaining zero information.

Abu Gharib was a group of soldiers that were acting against protocols. They used their tactics not to generate information but to get their jollies instead. What is always failed to be recognized by the media and those on the left that want America to fail is that the US Military had already recognized the problem and punished those involved before the media ever knew what Abu Gharib was. Its the irresponsible reporting on part of the LMM that caused more people to die then there needed to be. Not that the terrorists needed a justification for their actions but they used the coverage of Abu Gharib that was blown out of proportion to launch a wave of beheadings on innocent civilians.

As for the dramatcially lowered expectation by muslims, ask the Iraqis what they think of America? I guarentee 80% are happy that we did what we did. Now instead of living their lives not knowing if the next day brings death for saying Saddam had a bad haircut, they have hope for the future of their children and their children's children to live in a free country.

 

[theim]

How's that constitution coming?

 

[Gunny]

mentality, where the enemy were clearly identified by their swastikas or red dots.

In the struggle with Islamic fundamentalist terrorists (or any type, for that matter), Public Relations IS the war. Terrorists are not members of a standing army. They are people made so angry by what the believe to be true about us that they are willing to commit to armed struggle against us. Each time a revelation of unethical behavior comes out--Abu Ghraib, rendition, CIA prisons--we create more terrorists, instantly.

By contrast, when we do things like provide tsunami and earthquake relief, we immunize a group of people against terrorists--those who have direct memories of the U.S. helping them.

This war has been disastrous because it has dramatically lowered the Muslim world's estimation of the U.S. That, by definition, is losing the war against terrorism.

Mariner.

The only reason there is a public relations war is because the leftwing-controlled mainstream media, not mention those pseudo-intellectual elitists such as yourself, have allied themselves to the enemies of the US for no moe reason than BS, politically-motivated hatred.

Your post is perfect evidence.

 

[Annie]

http://news.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/12/04/wrice04.xml

Rice will take tough line with Europe on 'prison plane' flights
By Philip Sherwell and Kim Willsher in Paris
(Filed: 04/12/2005)

Condoleezza Rice, the United States Secretary of State, will urge European governments to back off in the continuing row over alleged secret terrorist detention camps in Eastern Europe and clandestine CIA "prison plane" flights.

Dr Rice, who begins a four-country European tour tomorrow, is preparing a "robust" defence of American treatment of terror suspects, as Washington belatedly comes out fighting on the controversy, senior European diplomats told the Sunday Telegraph.

Condoleezza Rice
Condoleezza Rice: No apologies for tactics

Although Dr Rice is keen to improve diplomatic relations with Europe, she will use her visit to argue that unorthodox tactics are needed to obtain information from detainees and to prevent terror attacks.I think one could read this as, "We are at war," dig it? As our resident psycho would put it.

The US has been refusing to confirm or deny reports that it held suspected Islamic terrorists at secret bases in Poland and Romania. The European Union has launched an investigation and threatened punishment if any countries co-operated with the US on practices that are illegal in Europe, such as torture.

The furore has grown as details emerged of CIA-chartered aircraft - some believed to be ferrying detainees on so-called "rendition" flights - using airports across the Continent, including Britain, for stopovers and refuelling. Eight nations have launched investigations.

Yesterday, it emerged that two chartered jets involved in carrying Islamic suspects to the Guantanamo Bay base had used airports in France, one of the fiercest critics of the Iraq war.

With large swathes of European public opinion and many leading politicians hostile to US policy in Iraq, Dr Rice knew that the controversy would blight her trip to Germany, Romania, Ukraine and Belgium, and wanted to reshape the debate.

"Rice isn't going to be making any apologies and we don't expect any acknowledgement that the camps existed, a senior European official told the Sunday Telegraph.

"But she will emphasise that we need intelligence to save lives and that America and Europe are in this together. She will also urge European governments to help put this message across." Dr Rice will also state that the US respects international law and does not violate national sovereignty.

As America's closest ally, Britain is expected to accept her message. But as the Government holds the rotating EU presidency, it has fallen to Jack Straw, the Foreign Secretary, to convey the organisation's concerns to Washington.

The State Department is preparing its response to a letter from Mr Straw on behalf of the EU, seeking details about the alleged clandestine sites.

Dr Rice started to unveil the message to European visitors to Washington last week. She told Bertie Ahern, the Irish premier, that she expected allies to trust that America does not allow rights abuses - a sign she will avoid any detailed response on intelligence matters.