EU Constitution: Concentration of Power in Brussels

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    From a British conservative member of the European Parliament:

     
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    "As a Czech diplomat once put it: 'One lesson we learnt from the 1930s, no more security guarantees from France.' ".

    There are still some pockets of sanity left in Europe. Predictably enough, they seem to exist either where a manner of conservatism still enjoys a voice, or in nations where the blessings of American defense have not always been a reality - to be taken for granted, or scorned.

    Former Eastern Bloc nations tend not to take liberty so lightly.
     
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    Yeah, right. That's gonna happen. I know I'd sleep well at night with the french and Spanish pledged to come to my assistance. You betcha.

    Besides the obvious hypocrisy in this, I can't fathom why any country would subordinate its sovereignity to the EU. That is truly mind-boggling.

    Had Napoleon thought of this concept, he never would have had to raise an army. But then again, had Europe been in this sad condition back in Napoleon's day, it would hardly have been worth conquering.
     
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    It's not that hard to understand. Europe is a continent full of has-beens. The British, the Germans, the Spanish, the Italians, the Austrians, hell even the French, they all at one point held great empires and technological achievements which were the envy of the world. Like a 1940's hollywood star, their time of greatness is over, and the only time anyone really cares what they say is at one of those get-togethers where the new big star (US) pays a tribute to the good ole days when the old fogies were the big shots.

    And also like a has-been actor, they are desperate to get back on the world stage. So their line of thinking is...maybe if we take all these little countries that no one really cares about, and make a really big country, we could be a great world power again!

    Only problem is that the EU is a negative force in the world. It does not value freedom and liberty. The EU values Stability. "Stability uber alles" should be the USE's national motto. The thing is, they are happy to supply the Chinese with weapons and coddle the Iranians and their goal of nuclear jihad because that's better than going to war and changing things. When things change, it gets messy. Oil deals get cancelled, that sort of thing. The USE will be an ideological rival to the USA much as was the USSR. Only instead of capitalism vs communism it will be progress vs. stability.
     
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    How the heck do they plan to pay for it?
     
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    As creeping (or galloping) socialism becomes more prevalent, the economies of European nations begin to struggle. Germany with unemployment exceeding ten percent. The french forced to sell arms to potential enemies simply in an effort to inject money into their economy. Fifty percent plus income taxes in some nations, Britain struggling to stay afloat amid ever-increasing entitlement programs.

    By combining all their problems into one umbrella state, the Euros hope to put the genie back into the bottle. What I fail to understand is why they seem to think that by combining their respective problems, they will somehow find a solution.

    They remind me of the old joke about the kid digging in a pile of horse shit because he was convinced there was a pony under there somewhere. I very much doubt the Euros will find a horsie under this particular pile. Jacques Chirac sold it to China.
     
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    It is pretty easy to see why many countries are in favor of it. Besides a greater international importance for a consolidated Europe, each country gets something extra out of the deal. Developed countries like France and Germany have a greater say than their less developed breathen. They get to be heavyweights in the union and this appeals to them. Smaller under-developed countries get gigantic development and agricultural subsidies to bolster their backward industries. Everybody gets complete and fair free trade with other EU members just by joining.

    I don't think that I am in favor of the EU, but if you are a country with the opportunity to join, there are some benefits.
     

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