EU Abandoning Renewables as Ineffective and Unreliable...

[Old Rocks]

Fusion may someday be viable. The present fission reactors present a high degree of danger, both by the waste they produce, and the danger of a natural disaster causing a meltdown. However, I see one big thing wrong with fusion. It presents a single point source that can be disabled by natural disaster or human idiocy. Also, it means that you are dependent on it for power, and have no alternative. Distributed power, solar, wind, and geothermal spreads the money around, and makes it possible for the individual homeowner to provide his own home power, as well as fuel for his vehicles. Independence is valuable.

 

[Viacheslav]

The present fission reactors present a high degree of danger, both by the waste they produce, and the danger of a natural disaster causing a meltdown

It's matter of technology, the production of solar cells or batteries isn't useful for ecology, and at all stages from the extraction of raw materials, production and utilization.

It presents a single point source that can be disabled by natural disaster or human idiocy.

The same can happen with "green energy", of course, you can use solar panels to illuminate your house, but the electricity supply to industrial facilities with "green energy" will be more vulnerable, and a natural disaster or human idiocy can destroy this system more easily than "traditional energy system ".

And why should we use solar energy (solar panels), if we can in the future create our own "small" sun. Foe example "Compact Fusion" from Lockheed Martin Compact Fusion, of course, now it's just a concept, but if it is possible, we (people) will get the "energy independence" that you are talking about

 

[Old Rocks]

If those fusion reactors are part of a public utility, you are correct. If they are owned by a corporation like Enron, they will be used to extort money from the people. That is why having a way to tell the utility to get their lines off your property is important here in the US.

 

[skookerasbil]

The idealistic fools in Germany had to learn the hard way........when their electric bills started ballooning >>

http://www.theenergycollective.com/barrybrook/201991/counting-hidden-costs-energy

 

[Old Rocks]

These renewable sources require no fuel, and so have very low operating costs. This allows them to enter the market at low prices (or even negative prices if production subsidies or generation mandates are in place).

As a consequence, with the current power-generation mix in the OECD (including Australia), dispatchable technologies will suffer due to lower average electricity prices and reduced capacity factors when a significant quantity of low-cost renewable energy is available. (That is, dispatchable units will more often be forced to ramp down their output when there are high flows of low-cost renewable energy, yet will still need to be ready to ramp up again when the output from variable renewable generators is not sufficient to meet the total demand across the grid

Renewable Energy's Hidden Costs? - The Energy Collective

So the problem is that the cheap energy is intermittent. Yet we have seen that problem solved in Australia with a 100 MW battery from Tesla. In fact, that battery is going to pay for itself in just the first year of use.

How Tesla's big battery is bringing Australia’s gas cartel to heel

On Sunday 14 January something very unusual happened.

The Australian Energy Market Operator called – as it often does – for generators in South Australia to provide a modest amount of network services known as FCAS, or frequency control and ancillary services.

This time, though, the market price did not go into orbit and the credit must go to the newly installed Tesla big battery and the neighbouring Hornsdale windfarm.

The call for 35MW of FCAS – usually made when there is planned maintenance or a system fault on the interconnector between Victoria and South Australia – has become a running joke in the electricity market, and a costly one for consumers.

The big gas generators – even though they have 10 times more capacity than is required – have systematically rorted the situation, sometimes charging up to $7m a day for a service that normally comes at one-tenth of the price.

(You can read reports on how they do it here, here and here, and for a more detailed explanation at the bottom of this story.)

The difference in January was that there is a new player in the market: Tesla. The company’s big battery, officially known as the Hornsdale Power Reserve, bid into the market to ensure that prices stayed reasonable, as predicted last year.

Rather than jumping up to prices of around $11,500 and $14,000/MW, the bidding of the Tesla big battery – and, in a major new development, the adjoining Hornsdale windfarm – helped (after an initial spike) to keep them at around $270/MW.

This saved several million dollars in FCAS charges, which are paid by other generators and big energy users, in a single day.

It would not take a lot of these to reduce the cost of electricity in the EU, and allow the retirement of more coal and gas plants.

 

[skookerasbil]

Here is an analysis from Lazard, a Wall Street bank. This was released a few months ago.

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https://www.lazard.com/media/450337/lazard-levelized-cost-of-energy-version-110.pdf

lol.......interested parties need to read the preface just above the tables!!

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Lets see... We won't attach, distribution costs, back up generation costs and intermittentcy problems.... All the problems that are major issues....Nice!

Anyone stupid enough to buy into that is in for a surprise.. Speaking of Clueless partisan hacks... Toro sure took that one full stupid...

lmao..........and the last few days, he's posting up the same graph but has deleted the introduction you highlighted.

 

[Billy_Bob]

A major portion of Austria gets 100% of their power from renewables.



And Tesla is building solar farms with grid scale batteries that supply electricity 24/7. You silly assholes have no idea how many nations are turning to renewables for their future power, the biggest being China.

Now you've gone full retard.. The ONE grid scale battery they have will last ONE HOUR and take 18-24 hours to recharge.... SO tell me Old Fraud, what ya gonna do for 18-24 hours before you can use that battery again? You do know that your wind and solar is only good for about 4-6 hours a day... which means your without power for 14-16 hours the first day and the next 3 days before the battery can be used again... DO the damn math fool.

 

[Billy_Bob]

Here is an analysis from Lazard, a Wall Street bank. This was released a few months ago.

View attachment 176090

https://www.lazard.com/media/450337/lazard-levelized-cost-of-energy-version-110.pdf

lol.......interested parties need to read the preface just above the tables!!

View attachment 176109

Lets see... We won't attach, distribution costs, back up generation costs and intermittentcy problems.... All the problems that are major issues....Nice!

Anyone stupid enough to buy into that is in for a surprise.. Speaking of Clueless partisan hacks... Toro sure took that one full stupid...

lmao..........and the last few days, he's posting up the same graph but has deleted the introduction you highlighted.

Tells me a lot about his character... hes a liar...

 

[Viacheslav]

If those fusion reactors are part of a public utility, you are correct. If they are owned by a corporation like Enron, they will be used to extort money from the people. That is why having a way to tell the utility to get their lines off your property is important here in the US.

We all live not in the forest, but in the states and the government will always find a way to "fuck" us. "Energy dependence" is not so terrible, as, for example, "dependence on medicine" or "food dependence"

 

[skookerasbil]

A major portion of Austria gets 100% of their power from renewables.



And Tesla is building solar farms with grid scale batteries that supply electricity 24/7. You silly assholes have no idea how many nations are turning to renewables for their future power, the biggest being China.

Now you've gone full retard.. The ONE grid scale battery they have will last ONE HOUR and take 18-24 hours to recharge.... SO tell me Old Fraud, what ya gonna do for 18-24 hours before you can use that battery again? You do know that your wind and solar is only good for about 4-6 hours a day... which means your without power for 14-16 hours the first day and the next 3 days before the battery can be used again... DO the damn math fool.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

EU Abandoning Renewables as ineffective and unreliable...

You can not make this stuff up..

After spending over 1.2 trillion dollars and gaining nothing due to inefficiencies and unreliable renewable energy schemes, the EU is now building a massive gas pipeline to run power plants and for heating of homes. Control by Russia of their gas and power has the EU running scared. The harsh winter has shown that renewables can not support base load demands in winter. The EU is running away from both the Russian natural gas and the unreliable and inefficient wind and solar.

The cost of internal infrastructure to use renewables has become so costly that they are abandoning the scheme.

The EU wants to fight climate change – so why is it spending billions on a gas pipeline?

Damn you are one shameless little liar.

European Union moves to strengthen renewable-energy goals

 

[skookerasbil]

EU Abandoning Renewables as ineffective and unreliable...

You can not make this stuff up..

After spending over 1.2 trillion dollars and gaining nothing due to inefficiencies and unreliable renewable energy schemes, the EU is now building a massive gas pipeline to run power plants and for heating of homes. Control by Russia of their gas and power has the EU running scared. The harsh winter has shown that renewables can not support base load demands in winter. The EU is running away from both the Russian natural gas and the unreliable and inefficient wind and solar.

The cost of internal infrastructure to use renewables has become so costly that they are abandoning the scheme.

The EU wants to fight climate change – so why is it spending billions on a gas pipeline?

Damn you are one shameless little liar.

European Union moves to strengthen renewable-energy goals

Ambitions as part of public policy = ghey.

Only progressives look at floating unicorns as policy achievements!!

 

[Billy_Bob]

EU Abandoning Renewables as ineffective and unreliable...

You can not make this stuff up..

After spending over 1.2 trillion dollars and gaining nothing due to inefficiencies and unreliable renewable energy schemes, the EU is now building a massive gas pipeline to run power plants and for heating of homes. Control by Russia of their gas and power has the EU running scared. The harsh winter has shown that renewables can not support base load demands in winter. The EU is running away from both the Russian natural gas and the unreliable and inefficient wind and solar.

The cost of internal infrastructure to use renewables has become so costly that they are abandoning the scheme.

The EU wants to fight climate change – so why is it spending billions on a gas pipeline?

Damn you are one shameless little liar.

European Union moves to strengthen renewable-energy goals

Just because the political whores are trying doesn't mean its working...

 

[Old Rocks]

The present fission reactors present a high degree of danger, both by the waste they produce, and the danger of a natural disaster causing a meltdown

It's matter of technology, the production of solar cells or batteries isn't useful for ecology, and at all stages from the extraction of raw materials, production and utilization.

It presents a single point source that can be disabled by natural disaster or human idiocy.

The same can happen with "green energy", of course, you can use solar panels to illuminate your house, but the electricity supply to industrial facilities with "green energy" will be more vulnerable, and a natural disaster or human idiocy can destroy this system more easily than "traditional energy system ".

And why should we use solar energy (solar panels), if we can in the future create our own "small" sun. Foe example "Compact Fusion" from Lockheed Martin Compact Fusion, of course, now it's just a concept, but if it is possible, we (people) will get the "energy independence" that you are talking about

As Puerto Rico demonstrated, you are quite wrong in that. The storm destroyed the standard infrastructure. Those with their own solar systems continued to have electricity.

 

[Windparadox]

The EU wants to fight climate change – so why is it spending billions on a gas pipeline?

`
Because it's a good investment. While banks in EU nations are investing in this, it's just business. It does not reflect the beliefs of the countries these banks are in. Business invests where profitability exists.
`

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

EU Abandoning Renewables as ineffective and unreliable...

You can not make this stuff up..

After spending over 1.2 trillion dollars and gaining nothing due to inefficiencies and unreliable renewable energy schemes, the EU is now building a massive gas pipeline to run power plants and for heating of homes. Control by Russia of their gas and power has the EU running scared. The harsh winter has shown that renewables can not support base load demands in winter. The EU is running away from both the Russian natural gas and the unreliable and inefficient wind and solar.

The cost of internal infrastructure to use renewables has become so costly that they are abandoning the scheme.

The EU wants to fight climate change – so why is it spending billions on a gas pipeline?

Damn you are one shameless little liar.

European Union moves to strengthen renewable-energy goals

Just because the political whores are trying doesn't mean its working...

No, it just means your thread title is a shameless lie...but then again, everyone already knew that, considering who started the thtead

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

EU Abandoning Renewables as ineffective and unreliable...

You can not make this stuff up..

After spending over 1.2 trillion dollars and gaining nothing due to inefficiencies and unreliable renewable energy schemes, the EU is now building a massive gas pipeline to run power plants and for heating of homes. Control by Russia of their gas and power has the EU running scared. The harsh winter has shown that renewables can not support base load demands in winter. The EU is running away from both the Russian natural gas and the unreliable and inefficient wind and solar.

The cost of internal infrastructure to use renewables has become so costly that they are abandoning the scheme.

The EU wants to fight climate change – so why is it spending billions on a gas pipeline?

Damn you are one shameless little liar.

European Union moves to strengthen renewable-energy goals

Ambitions as part of public policy = ghey.

Only progressives look at floating unicorns as policy achievements!!

Of course, you ate acting like a little child on an internet and its infrastructure brought to is orignally by public investment....damn you are dumb...

 

[Viacheslav]

As Puerto Rico demonstrated, you are quite wrong in that. The storm destroyed the standard infrastructure. Those with their own solar systems continued to have electricity.

How many solar panels can "survive"?

 

[Old Rocks]

(Reuters) - While his competitors wait for diesel to restart generators knocked out by Hurricane Maria, flower grower Hector Santiago is already back in business because of solar panels powering his 40-acre (16.2-hectare) nursery in central Puerto Rico.

The U.S. territory is in a near blackout, its electricity grid shredded by the storm that slammed into the island on Sept 20. But Santiago's decorative plant and poinsettia nursery, set amid the jagged peaks of the Barranquitas farming area, has kept working thanks to the $300,000 he invested in 244 solar panels six years ago.

"Everybody told me I was crazy because it was so expensive. Now I have power and they don't," said Santiago, whose flowers are sold in Puerto Rico, at outlets like Costco, and throughout the Caribbean.

One farm in Puerto Rico is still running thanks to a $300,000 investment in solar power

NAGUABO, PUERTO RICO — Although her solar panels successfully sustained Hurricane María’s winds, Madeline Batista couldn’t turn on her lights, her refrigerator or other appliances that needed electricity. The photovoltaic system, installed at her Naguabo home by Sunnova, stopped working. It was connected to the Puerto Rico Electric Power Authority (PREPA) network, which was destroyed by the hurricane.

Meanwhile, in the mountains of Adjuntas, community organization Casa Pueblo still had power. Neighbors sought help from the facility, the only place with power in town during the María emergency. Casa Pueblo’s solar panels were equipped with batteries that allowed it to operate full time, independently from PREPA, and have power at night. The place became an autonomous energy oasis. People went there to charge their phones, receive respiratory therapy with energy-powered machines, and above all, organize to help each other after the worst natural catastrophe the island experienced in its modern history. It was a concrete example of community self-management.

Hurricane María Exposes Problems Within Puerto Rico’s Solar Panel Industry - Latino USA

Lesson here is that you need to have your own system with batteries. The solar systems that had batteries not only continued to work, most seemed to survive the wind pretty well.

 

[Tax Man]

I am sorry to say my solar power is reliable and effective. Granted I live in a very nice place with sun most all year round. But that is California.