Ethnologue report for Iran

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    http://www.ethnologue.com/show_country.asp?name=IR


    Azerbaijani, South
    23,500,000 in Iran (1997).

    Kazakh
    3,000 in Iran (1982).

    Khalaj, Turkic
    42,107 (2000 WCD)

    Khorasani Turkish
    400,000 (1977 Doerfer)

    Qashqa'i
    1,500,000 (1997)

    Turkmen
    2,000,000 in Iran (1997)


    = 27,445,107 Million people speaking Turkic being Turk.


    These datas are as you see latest from 1997. Now we have 2006. MAybe it is now up to 30 Mio people in Iran?


    maps:
    http://www.gamoh.org/img/southaz.jpg
    http://www.gamoh.org/img/b01tab.jpg

    Gamoh is South-Azerbaycan awakening movement.
     
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    I dunno what you were meaning w/ this post, but I can tell you Iran had better watch themselves, or their new map may look like this:

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    European most spoken languages :

    Spanish : 382 millions (322 natives, 60 second language)

    English : 508 millions (309 natives, 199 second language)

    French : 290 millions (125 natives, 165 second language)

    German : 123 millions (95 natives, 28 second language)

    These language are spoken in several countries.
    Only in Europe for German
    All over the world for Spanish (Spain and South and Central America...), English (UK, Eire ,USA, Canada, Commonwealth.........), French (France, Belgium, Switzerland, Luxembourg, Canada, old French Empire - western and central Africa + Madagascar - french overseas territories, USA - Louisiana, Maine, New Hampshire - New Zeland, places in India...)
    In fact, in all the old coutries who belong to the colonial Empires of these 3 countries before.


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    Francophonie (organisation of the french language).
    Add here several other countries (like Algeria of course, USA, New Zeland...)


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    UK's Commonwealth
    Add here several other countries (USA of course - you did it alone ;) - , Egypt.........)


    I didn't understand why do you put this about Turkish in this thread, anyway it was interesting, I didn't believe so many people speak turkish ;)
     
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    Yes and this is only in Iran. There are several Turkish dialects out there. Some easy to understand some bit harder (need a bit time to be comfortable with the dialect)

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    http://titus.uni-frankfurt.de/didact/karten/turk/turklm.htm

    Plus the best thing is here:
    http://www.un.org/documents/ga/docs/51/plenary/a51-664.htm

    In this UN-Document leaders of Azerbaycan, Turkmenistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Turkey, and Uzbekistan agreed that ex-Soviet states switch to LAtin Alphabet from Kyrillic (Dead-line was 2005).

    The President of the Azerbaijani Republic: Heydar ALIYEV

    The President of the Republic of Kazakstan: Nursultan NAZARBAEV

    The President of the Kyrgyz Republic: Askar ASKAYEV

    The President of the Republic of Turkey: Su"leyman DEMIREL

    The President of Turkmenistan: Saparmurat NIYAZOV

    The President of the Republic of Uzbekistan: Islam KARIMOV



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    I found no english source dor the second thing, which follows:
    1990 all Cultural ministers of Turkic States met in Ankara. There Istanbul-spoken Turkish was officially recognized as High-Turkish for all Turkic states.
    Plus the dialects and the words of non-Turkey states are being changed to meet Istanbul-spoken Turkish.
    - Azerbaycan already changed there words to Istanbul-Turkish in 1992.
    - Turkmenistan in 1995.
    - Uzbekistan in 1997 till 2004
    - Kazakhstan will follow 2010
    - Kirgizistan also in 2010

    Only the minority of Uyghurs in China miss, then you are, as a Turk, able to walk from Istanbul (East Rome) to the Chinese Wall with one Alphabet in Latin and one Pronounciation of the same Turkish word.





    The Turkic languages constitute a language family of some thirty languages, spoken across a vast area from Eastern Europe to Siberia and Western China with an estimated 100-130 million speakers. The Turkic languages are traditionally considered to be part of the Altaic language family.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkic_languages
     
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    Does this repartition came from the Tamerlan - Timur Lang - 's odysseus, with the Timuride Empire ? (from Mongolia to Turkey)
     
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    My 2000 Almanac gives an Iranian Aberzaijani
    population of about 15.6 million (24% of the total)
    - a lower number than yours.

    They are concentrated in the northwestern province
    of which Tabriz is the capital, are they not?

    If so, fine: let the Turks unite into one country
    where they are contiguous- where their lands
    border each other, and let the Turks also, to be
    completely fair, withdraw from the lands of the Kurds,
    and let the Arabs and Iranians do the same.

    I recall you saying your family is buried in land
    ruled by Turks, yet largely Kurd. No doubt the
    same can be said for many Kurds.

    As long as you both can honor the gravesites,
    then what does it matter who rules?
     
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    not on mine but on sources of Ethnologue.com which further gives sources.
    Editor, Ethnologue
    c/o International Linguistics Center
    7500 West Camp Wisdom Road
    Dallas, Texas 75236 USA

    I didn't mentioned Kurds. but it is natural to talk about them too, as there are living 3,5-4 Million Kurds in Iran and Kurds are ethnically linked with Persians.

    No, it is not needed to unite Azeri locations and people in Iran with Turkey.
    But Maybe someday North-Azerbayacan (Azerbaycan) and South-Azerbaycan (Iran-Azeri georgraphy ) can unite. This would be good. Very good.

    Or a status similar to Kurds in Iraq , for example Federalism where they can decide their own fate and get rid of Mullah-fanatism. Once Mullahs are away Turkey's secularistic system is ready for them, as it was with North-Azerbaycan after independece of Soviet Empire.
    No need for Turkey expansionism. Turkey will only change its boarders when WW3 breaks out, or a neighbour attacks us.
    But bombing them (Azeris, Turkmens) in a possible Anti-Mullah operation is not an option.

    Plus: Turkey is 700.000 KM2 whilst Iran is 1,7 Mio KM2.
    When Azeris get federalism, independence, chance to reunite with North-Azerbaycan,
    There is even much KM2 for North-Iraqi Kurds to join with Iranian Kurds. Kurdish expansionism into Iran.
    Kurdish expansionism into Turkey is ridiculous to think about. Who wants to talk in Turkey must do it via T.B.M.M. (parliament9 in Ankara. As it should be in a parliamentary democracy and Kurds are allready takeing that option.
    As i said, Turkish boarders will only change in a war (WW3) but not in an possible USA-coalition vs. Iran war. 100%.


    Outside Kurds are better with makeing trade with Turkey, as North-Iraq actually does. For the rest: Turkey's fate is being voted in Turkish parliament. Not in foreign media and not from outside.
     
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    In Turkey it is being discussed by Union of Businessmen (TUSIAD) and State-president Sezer to decrease election baricades to 5-7 %.
    Kurdish party DeHAP alway gets about 5-6% of total votes.

    To get into Turkish parliament you need minimum 10% of total votes.

    Current Interior Minister Aksu (Kurdish origin)
    Current Education Minister Celik (Kurdish origin)
    Parliament speaker Bülent Arinc (Kurdish origin)

    As AKP got 34% of total votes in last election and the second party CHP got 19%.
    Only these 2 partys are in the parliament as all other partya failed 10% barricade.

    So AKP with only 34 % of total votes got ca. 75% of total parliament seats. Because parliament seats are divided only between parties who succeeded 10% barricade.

    minimum 30% of AKP parliament delegates are of Kurdish origin.
    Kurdish origin Delegates are therefore over-represented in Turkish parliament, which will definately change in next elections.

    Minimum 4 parties will exceed 10% barricade. When 10 % barricade is being reduced to 5%, even 6-8 parties will get into parliament.

    AKP lies presently constant at about 30 %
    CHP (LEFT-Party) 21%
    MHP (ULTRA-NAtionalist) 20%
    ANAP (Conservative-Liberals) 11%
    DYP (Nationalist) 10%
    ...
    ...
    ...
    Dehap (Kurdish only party: Only Kurdish delegates) 6 %


    Next parliament will definately have more Nationalist delegates, maybe an Ultra Nationalist (MHP)- Liberal (ANAP) - DYP (NAtionalist) government with either Nationslist Prime Minister or Foreign Minister.
    EU Europeans have current Prime Minister good in their hands. They call. he runs.
     
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    I doubt the Kurds are as closely linked
    with the Iranians as the English are with
    the French, and probably much less so.

    And I do not see why the Kurds deserve
    less to be united in one contiguous nation
    than the Azerbai Turks.
     
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    Since Kurds make up about 20% of Turkey's
    population, the data above indicate 75% of
    all Kurds do not vote for the Kurdish DeHAP
    party, which would seem to show a high degree
    of political assimilation.

    However, if given the chance to vote on the
    formation of a Kurdish state such as I described
    earlier, I strongly suspect the Kurdish populations
    of Turkey, Iraq, and Iran would give it overwhelming
    support, perhaps higher even than 75%.

    Here is a map showing the areas inhabited by
    a Kurdish majority. They have been there
    since before the Turks, Arabs, and Iranians
    entered the region.

    http://geo.ya.com/travelimages/az-kurd-map.gif
     

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