Ethics of Right versus Left

[Meister]

Your immature comment is noted. The fact that you are unable to appreciate and/or love
people besides yourself is a sign of youth. However, I forgive you and I wish you nothing but the best.

If you're talking to me...I wish I still had my youth. But...what part of freedom of speech has been stifled with you on this board.

 

[Caroljo]

What is hilarious is that every one of the points the OP brought up has been said over and over by conservatives right here on this board. then when you're called out on it... You go the "they don't know us" route....Fuck you... you guys are selfish as hell. You can't sit here and say "why should I have to pay?" ad nauseum.... then deny your selfishness later.

Take a fucking stand and own your greed.

Now THAT'S hilarious!! I don't know any conservatives that have stated the things that was posted! You say this only because, like the majority of libs, you only hear the parts you want to hear, take everything said out of context, and make it your own statement to "proove" that Conservatives are just plain evil people!

Why don't YOU take a fucking stand and own your own stupidity?

Really? How many times do I hear "why should I have to pay for someone else's(insert here)? All the fuckin' time.

How many times do I see you people say "taxation is theft at gunpoint"?.... all the fuckin' time.

Stop denying your greed.

Yes...i HAVE said "why should I have to pay for someone else's LAZINESS". I don't mind helping people, i love to donate when i can to help feed or clothe kids, i love to help someone that is lacking in anything they need. BUT... i don't love the Gov't taking my money to hand over to whoever THEY think needs my money. I believe in charity...i don't believe in FORCED charity.

I've never heard anyone say taxation is theft at gunpoint....I DO however believe that OVER-taxation is rampant, and much of our tax money is used for the wrong purposes. I don't pay taxes just so someone else can use the money for stoopid programs that only put the money into the Govt's hands to do as they please. Here's a list of some......

WhatisTaxed.com - List of taxes - Other taxes

 

[Steelplate]

Now THAT'S hilarious!! I don't know any conservatives that have stated the things that was posted! You say this only because, like the majority of libs, you only hear the parts you want to hear, take everything said out of context, and make it your own statement to "proove" that Conservatives are just plain evil people!

Why don't YOU take a fucking stand and own your own stupidity?

Really? How many times do I hear "why should I have to pay for someone else's(insert here)? All the fuckin' time.

How many times do I see you people say "taxation is theft at gunpoint"?.... all the fuckin' time.

Stop denying your greed.

Yes...i HAVE said "why should I have to pay for someone else's LAZINESS". I don't mind helping people, i love to donate when i can to help feed or clothe kids, i love to help someone that is lacking in anything they need. BUT... i don't love the Gov't taking my money to hand over to whoever THEY think needs my money. I believe in charity...i don't believe in FORCED charity.

I've never heard anyone say taxation is theft at gunpoint....I DO however believe that OVER-taxation is rampant, and much of our tax money is used for the wrong purposes. I don't pay taxes just so someone else can use the money for stoopid programs that only put the money into the Govt's hands to do as they please. Here's a list of some......

WhatisTaxed.com - List of taxes - Other taxes

Bullshit.... that's just your convenient cop out. the truth of the matter is you simply don't want to pay.

because your ASSUMPTION is that all people who need help are just lazy. Or at the very least MOST of those people who need help are just lazy.

That's your bigotry...or Stoopidity.

 

[Caroljo]

Really? How many times do I hear "why should I have to pay for someone else's(insert here)? All the fuckin' time.

How many times do I see you people say "taxation is theft at gunpoint"?.... all the fuckin' time.

Stop denying your greed.

Yes...i HAVE said "why should I have to pay for someone else's LAZINESS". I don't mind helping people, i love to donate when i can to help feed or clothe kids, i love to help someone that is lacking in anything they need. BUT... i don't love the Gov't taking my money to hand over to whoever THEY think needs my money. I believe in charity...i don't believe in FORCED charity.

I've never heard anyone say taxation is theft at gunpoint....I DO however believe that OVER-taxation is rampant, and much of our tax money is used for the wrong purposes. I don't pay taxes just so someone else can use the money for stoopid programs that only put the money into the Govt's hands to do as they please. Here's a list of some......

WhatisTaxed.com - List of taxes - Other taxes

Bullshit.... that's just your convenient cop out. the truth of the matter is you simply don't want to pay.

because your ASSUMPTION is that all people who need help are just lazy. Or at the very least MOST of those people who need help are just lazy.

That's your bigotry...or Stoopidity.

So you think you know me? I've needed help myself a few times....i had to have a food card for about 4 months to get us by. I know people out there are hurting and NEED help. People that need help through no fault of their own should have help readily available. They've worked and paid taxes to earn that right. My problem is with the families that live year after year on handouts from the govt and don't even TRY to take care of themselves. These people pay NO taxes, but most if they have kids, will rake in the money during tax time! Money they never earned and taxes they never paid! How is that a good thing for people that work hard and get nothing back in return?

If you think this is ok...then you're the one that's Stoopid....

 

[whitehall]

It must be nice to run as a democrat. It's easy for democrats to spend time sniping at republicans for sometimes failing to live up to family values and morality because they make no claim to having any morality themselves.

 

[ihallhou]

Rather I'm saying that if youve got gobs of money, the whole of humanity should enjoy it, not just you. Why you? You think you deserve it more than others? Lol thlats ridiculous.

 

[SniperFire]

It must be nice to run as a democrat. It's easy for democrats to spend time sniping at republicans for sometimes failing to live up to family values and morality because they make no claim to having any morality themselves.

Pretty easy to be a Democrat. Anything goes and the other guy pays.

 

[Oddball]

Rather I'm saying that if youve got gobs of money, the whole of humanity should enjoy it, not just you. Why you? You think you deserve it more than others? Lol thlats ridiculous.

Seriously...How dare someone who has so much more than you, even though they earned it fair and square, think that they're entitled to keep it?

 

[Oddball]

Really? How many times do I hear "why should I have to pay for someone else's(insert here)? All the fuckin' time.

How many times do I see you people say "taxation is theft at gunpoint"?.... all the fuckin' time.

Stop denying your greed.

Why should I have to pay for your liberoidal greed?

 

[Meister]

Rather I'm saying that if youve got gobs of money, the whole of humanity should enjoy it, not just you. Why you? You think you deserve it more than others? Lol thlats ridiculous.

Seriously...How dare someone who has so much more than you, even though they earned it fair and square, think that they're entitled to keep it?

Spot on

 

[Meister]

Rather I'm saying that if youve got gobs of money, the whole of humanity should enjoy it, not just you. Why you? You think you deserve it more than others? Lol thlats ridiculous.

You sound like sour grapes with this class warfare type of rhetoric.
Redistribution of wealth, huh?

 

[mudwhistle]

What is hilarious is that every one of the points the OP brought up has been said over and over by conservatives right here on this board. then when you're called out on it... You go the "they don't know us" route....Fuck you... you guys are selfish as hell. You can't sit here and say "why should I have to pay?" ad nauseum.... then deny your selfishness later.

Take a fucking stand and own your greed.

Now THAT'S hilarious!! I don't know any conservatives that have stated the things that was posted! You say this only because, like the majority of libs, you only hear the parts you want to hear, take everything said out of context, and make it your own statement to "proove" that Conservatives are just plain evil people!

Why don't YOU take a fucking stand and own your own stupidity?

Really? How many times do I hear "why should I have to pay for someone else's(insert here)? All the fuckin' time.

How many times do I see you people say "taxation is theft at gunpoint"?.... all the fuckin' time.

Stop denying your greed.

Stop demanding free shit you greedy bastard.

 

[Wry Catcher]

All the time he took to write that.

and most, nearly all if complete and utter bullshit.

How many rights have liberals taken?

The right to bear arms
Free speech
trying to take privacy
trying to take the right too or not too buy a product
Freedom of religion

When did all of these rights disappear? You are free to worship your gun in the privacy of your own home and buy the ammunition too!

and you cry about ethics?

The field of ethics (or moral philosophy) involves systematizing, defending, and recommending concepts of right and wrong behavior. The OP offers his/her opinion, you've offered - at the very best - hyperbole.

 

[Meister]

All the time he took to write that.

and most, nearly all if complete and utter bullshit.

How many rights have liberals taken?

The right to bear arms
Free speech
trying to take privacy
trying to take the right too or not too buy a product
Freedom of religion

When did all of these rights disappear? You are free to worship your gun in the privacy of your own home and buy the ammunition too!

and you cry about ethics?

The field of ethics (or moral philosophy) involves systematizing, defending, and recommending concepts of right and wrong behavior. The OP offers his/her opinion, you've offered - at the very best - hyperbole.

Yup...just somebody telling us how to think......that's what the liberals would love to do.

 

[Peach]

All the time he took to write that.

and most, nearly all if complete and utter bullshit.

How many rights have liberals taken?

The right to bear arms
Free speech
trying to take privacy
trying to take the right too or not too buy a product
Freedom of religion

When did all of these rights disappear? You are free to worship your gun in the privacy of your own home and buy the ammunition too!

and you cry about ethics?

The field of ethics (or moral philosophy) involves systematizing, defending, and recommending concepts of right and wrong behavior. The OP offers his/her opinion, you've offered - at the very best - hyperbole.

Many Americans fall in between the two "categories" I believe.

 

[Jackson]

There are pitfalls when trying to demonize your enemies, or those you disagree with. In this piece, I fall into all of them; I let my convictions and emotions paint the picture rather than the evidence.

Still, I think the sentiment is right; the facts are besides the point. My point is logical rather than evidence-based. The point I'm trying to make is that the right wing ethic is one based on self interest, and thus not ethical at all, while the left wing ethic is based on the interests of people besides yourself, and therefore ethical. Ethics is all about rightness of behavior, or interaction with those around us. Therefore, if your "ethic" is based on self-interest, it is not ethical at all; it doesn't account for your impact on others. Republicans are children who never grew up. I'm definitely not perfect, but I at least consider the impact of invading countries before millions die.

I've long thought about the essential difference between right and left, and if you hadn't figured it out: I'm on the left. Everyone is somewhere, even social scientists and political commentators. What is usually omitted is where they stand. I think that's important. In fact, I might advocate for mandatory admission of your party (for reporters).

Let's look at the issues, one by one, so that we can judge, on the merits of each, their ethics, rather than generalizing as is so often done.

Economy

Probably the issue that seduces the most left-leaners into the right fold, the economic philosophy of republicans is that 1) taxes suck, 2) government is the enemy of business people, and thus all people. This forgets the fact that almost all Americans work for either business people (rather than BEING business people) or the government, and thus would benefit from someone to keep business in check (with such regulations as no rape, no murder, no slavery, no child workers, no 120 hour weeks, no etc).

Health Care

If people get sick and don't have insurance, whether it's their fault or not (which, according to republicans, it probably is), they should die because they don't have the money to pay for treatment. Republicans don't want to pay for anyone else's anything. The world is hard, but it's better if we all come together. Imagine yourself without your family. Claiming your $100 a year is all fine and good, but saving the lives of countless others? To republicans: worthless. Why? Self-interest. Childishness.

Social Issues

Republicans: Jews are okay, but gays should be imprisoned. Gay marriage is a laughable proposition, because gay anything is sinful. If I don't understand it, it should be illegal.

Republicans are all about helping oneself. Democrats are about people helping each other. Sure, most republicans have good intentions and actually believe they're helping others by condemning them. But that's not all. Some are racist and even those who think they're doing good are actually doing bad because they don't understand that other people are beautiful, just like themselves. Being different is beautiful, just like being the same is. What's ugly is condemning, hating, and/or persecuting people. Don't forget, the right wing is the wing of slavery, naziism, war, Jim Crow, etc. Don't want to be in this category? Join those who love others besides themselves, on the left. Care about people besides yourself.

International Issues

Republicans: I'm afraid. The world might invade us. Terrorists might attack us. War sucks, but I don't mind it. Let's spend more than half of our budget on military, so that we have no money for teachers, health care, or anything else. Let's lay off teachers so we can invade countries thousands of miles away for the purpose of upsetting millions of people and causing them to attack us more. But if we have space missles, we can shoot all the people who hate us because we blow them out of existence. Awesome! It's like that explosion I saw on TV!

Conclusion

Ethical behavior, as your Mama (should have) taught you, is about how to behave in the world by considering others besides yourself. The republican ethic of the self is childish and, in my view, morally wrong because is considers only the self and not that of others. Christianity is strangely identified with the republican party, which further discredits christianity (it didn't need any more). My angry words don't mean that I devalue any person. I love every person ever born; however, if I were to sit idly by and let them rape the world, I'd be a bad person. Therefore, republicans, rethink your selfish ways and try thinking about other people.

You gave me a laugh my friend. Ethics? Behavior? Both parties have their motives and there is no comuppance to be found.Don't be so proud of yourself.

As a conservative (not a Republican), I see Liberals as coniving and using the underdogs as votes. They don't give them a helping hand up, but do their best on keeping the thumbs down on keeping them financially in check. How about that? Rather than limiting the welfare to the truly disabled and elderly, liberals would gladly give monthly checks out to those who could work when there were jobs to be had.

During the Clinton years, there was more prosperity and less on the government dole while climbing out of the status they had so bitterly been accustomed to. He limited welfare and gave them hope for a future and pride in themselves. They became part of the active community.

Businesses hire people. We want businesses to stay in this country. We cannot do that when we have unions paying people to stay at home sometimes a year at a time , pay outrageous pensions, and then have closed shops. And you say the Republicans are greedy.

During this administration our world has become more dangerous than ever before. We need the military but not the foreign aid that is going to countries that hate us more now than ever before. But we pay for their oil drilling!

Health Care hade never been attempted before because it was too costly. So, when we were in the most dire circumstances since the depression and all of our efforts should have been on the economy, what did Obama do? The first two years, nearly every press conference was on Health Care and NOT the economy.

Was this the time to attempt the Health Care Reform? Trillions in Debt? Our nation bankrupt? The stock market crashing? Were the citizens not being cared for before this? Were the streets littered with bodies of the uninsured? Absolutely not. Now employees are being threatened with losing their perfectly good health coverage in lieu of Obamacare. God Forbid. Now Medicare is in trouble.

You see everything as black and white. Well conservatives think their should be help for the poor who can't fend for themselves or temporary help when the economy is down. But they aren't for socialism either./ I am not willing to hand over half my paycheck for Bob down the street who hasn't worked a day in his life an d has no intention of doing so although he is capable of doing so. If that makes me bad, so be it.

By the way, Jews, gays, Catholics, blacks Latinos, and whatevers are fine. But let's all be Americans first. And make our own way. That's the American way. Pulling together.

Sorry for the lengthy rambling post.

 

[Caroljo]

Rather I'm saying that if youve got gobs of money, the whole of humanity should enjoy it, not just you. Why you? You think you deserve it more than others? Lol thlats ridiculous.

So if i'm working hard every day, i make real good money (which i don't!), I save and take care of my family, i donate to charities (Charities the "I" want to donate to), then you think i should give you some of that money that I've earned?

YES I DESERVE IT MORE THAN OTHERS! I WORKED FOR IT! What did YOU do that makes me think i need to give you any of it? Wow...you really are pretty STOOPID! Lol!

 

[Mr.Nick]

The only individuals left on the left are the true libertarians/classical liberals - everyone else is on the right...

 

[Oddball]

It's always at least marginally amusing watching covetous looters trying to define what constitutes ethical behavior.

 

[Mr.Nick]

It's always at least marginally amusing watching covetous looters trying to define what constitutes ethical behavior.

I suppose "ethical" is highly subjective....

With me it's how much can one "tolerate."