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He and obozo sold weapons to our enemy Mexico just like Reagan sold weapons to our enemy iran 25 years ago. That's treason.
Eric Holder warns of ?constitutional crisis? - Tim Mak and Josh Gerstein - POLITICO.com
Eric Holder warns of constitutional crisis
By TIM MAK and JOSH GERSTEIN | 6/12/12 11:31 AM EDT Updated: 6/12/12 1:44 PM EDT
Under threat of a House contempt citation over the botched Fast and Furious gun-walking operation, Attorney General Eric Holder spoke in a conciliatory tone Tuesday about his willingness for compromises to avoid what he called an impending constitutional crisis over the withholding of documents in response to a congressional subpoena.
We are prepared to make I am prepared to make - compromises with regard to the documents that can be made available, said Holder in a hearing before the Senate Judiciary Committee.
I want to make it very clear that I am offering I myself to sit down with the Speaker, the chairman, with you, whoever, to try and work our way through this in an attempt to avoid a constitutional crisis, and come up with ways, creative ways, in which to make this material available. But Ive got to have a willing partner. Ive extended my hand, and Im waiting to hear back, he added in response to a question about the subpoenaed documents posed by Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa.)
1. DOJ didn't sell the guns to the cartel(s). They let illegal purchased guns to pass through to track them.
2. Mexico isn't our enemy. We are trying to stop drug cartels, but I'm not sure enemy is the right word to use to describe them either (since we're talking about a criminal enterprise, not a conflict with another nation).
3. This operation goes back the Bush administration.
4. There is not constitutional crisis. Congress will keep demanding documents, he'll refuse to hand them over.
Unfortunately the Republicans won't have the balls to persue this and nothing will happen. I guarantee it.
With the public outrage on this? I hope you're wrong.
He and obozo sold weapons to our enemy Mexico just like Reagan sold weapons to our enemy iran 25 years ago. That's treason.
1. DOJ didn't sell the guns to the cartel(s). They let illegal purchased guns to pass through to track them.
2. Mexico isn't our enemy. We are trying to stop drug cartels, but I'm not sure enemy is the right word to use to describe them either (since we're talking about a criminal enterprise, not a conflict with another nation).
3. This operation goes back the Bush administration.
4. There is not constitutional crisis. Congress will keep demanding documents, he'll refuse to hand them over.
They allowed those guns to enter into Mexico for one reason and one reason only, and it wasn't to track cartels. The cartel excuse was just that, a way to justify what they where doing. They allowed them to enter Mexico so that crimes would be committed with them and they would be traced back here to America and hence would solidify a gun control argument here in America. It was an attempt to weaken the 2nd Amendment, and they are guilty as hell of it.
He and obozo sold weapons to our enemy Mexico just like Reagan sold weapons to our enemy iran 25 years ago. That's treason.
Eric Holder warns of ?constitutional crisis? - Tim Mak and Josh Gerstein - POLITICO.com
Eric Holder warns of constitutional crisis
By TIM MAK and JOSH GERSTEIN | 6/12/12 11:31 AM EDT Updated: 6/12/12 1:44 PM EDT
Under threat of a House contempt citation over the botched Fast and Furious gun-walking operation, Attorney General Eric Holder spoke in a conciliatory tone Tuesday about his willingness for compromises to avoid what he called an impending constitutional crisis over the withholding of documents in response to a congressional subpoena.
We are prepared to make I am prepared to make - compromises with regard to the documents that can be made available, said Holder in a hearing before the Senate Judiciary Committee.
I want to make it very clear that I am offering I myself to sit down with the Speaker, the chairman, with you, whoever, to try and work our way through this in an attempt to avoid a constitutional crisis, and come up with ways, creative ways, in which to make this material available. But Ive got to have a willing partner. Ive extended my hand, and Im waiting to hear back, he added in response to a question about the subpoenaed documents posed by Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa.)
1. DOJ didn't sell the guns to the cartel(s). They let illegal purchased guns to pass through to track them.
2. Mexico isn't our enemy. We are trying to stop drug cartels, but I'm not sure enemy is the right word to use to describe them either (since we're talking about a criminal enterprise, not a conflict with another nation).
3. This operation goes back the Bush administration.
4. There is not constitutional crisis. Congress will keep demanding documents, he'll refuse to hand them over.
Unfortunately the Republicans won't have the balls to persue this and nothing will happen. I guarantee it.
With the public outrage on this? I hope you're wrong.
Man, I really hope so too.
A) What are the PF boards? Anyone heard from the Swede?
B). Booosh had the same program. The ATF agent would have been shot by one of the millions of guns that Pub policies have allowed into Mexico ANYWAY. This whole thing is a Pub Propaganda joke.
40k have been killed in Mexico- Legalize and tax pot. that's supposedly 60% of this Pub mess.
What exactly does he think would create a Constitutional Crisis here?
He and obozo sold weapons to our enemy Mexico just like Reagan sold weapons to our enemy iran 25 years ago. That's treason.
Eric Holder warns of ?constitutional crisis? - Tim Mak and Josh Gerstein - POLITICO.com
Eric Holder warns of ‘constitutional crisis’
By TIM MAK and JOSH GERSTEIN | 6/12/12 11:31 AM EDT Updated: 6/12/12 1:44 PM EDT
Under threat of a House contempt citation over the botched Fast and Furious gun-walking operation, Attorney General Eric Holder spoke in a conciliatory tone Tuesday about his willingness for “compromises” to avoid what he called “an impending constitutional crisis” over the withholding of documents in response to a congressional subpoena.
“We are prepared to make – I am prepared to make - compromises with regard to the documents that can be made available,” said Holder in a hearing before the Senate Judiciary Committee.
“I want to make it very clear that I am offering – I myself – to sit down with the Speaker, the chairman, with you, whoever, to try and work our way through this in an attempt to avoid a constitutional crisis, and come up with ways, creative ways, in which to make this material available. But I’ve got to have a willing partner. I’ve extended my hand, and I’m waiting to hear back,” he added in response to a question about the subpoenaed documents posed by Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa.)
Amazing that dingbat Rs are accusing him of withholding information in spite of more than 150K pages of information and more than one million emails.
This is another example of the partisan Rs telling the same lies over and over and the rw's blindly following their owners words.
Will the rw's ever demand that the GObP/R's put their own country ahead of their profits? I doubt it.
In all fairness, Lud, there's no controversy over whether or not all documents requested have been turned over. Holder isn't saying, "I've already given you guys everything you aksed for." He's saying that the rest of what they've requested (i.e. those documents that haven't been turned over) are private as they pertain to ongoing investigations, and thus he doesn't have to (can't) turn them over.
No one's accusing him of withholding anything. They're accusing him of withholding those documents BECAUSE THEY'RE INCRIMINATING in relation to Fast and Furious. That he's got more documents that have been requested but not yet handed over is pretty much common knowledge.
Love when rabid partisans call each other partisans.
What exactly does he think would create a Constitutional Crisis here?
No it's not. Let's get real and let's govern.He and obozo sold weapons to our enemy Mexico just like Reagan sold weapons to our enemy iran 25 years ago. That's treason.
Reframe the question so it makes sense and tell us what you think, dilloduck?
Reframe the question so it makes sense and tell us what you think, dilloduck?
OK but just for you Jakey Baby.
Is Holder threatening we Americans or informing we Americans ?
You know--about the what the OP says ?
Reframe the question so it makes sense and tell us what you think, dilloduck?
OK but just for you Jakey Baby.
Is Holder threatening we Americans or informing we Americans ?
You know--about the what the OP says ?
The Legislative branch is demanding records from the Executive branch about an operation.
Many Presidents have had this demand made upon them for one thing or another, and it always raises a checks-and-balances question. Does the Legislative have the constitutional authority to demand internal records from the Executive?
Every President in this spot has said, "Not only no, but FUCK no!" Every Congress in this spot has said, "Oh, hell YEAH, baby!"
Then they often end up going to the Judicial branch and hacking it out there.
All very ugly stuff.
Holder is saying he would like to avoid all that crap and cooperate with Congress on the QT without being forced to turn over documents to Congress that would end up in public.
A classic posture we have seen many times in our history.
So how do you see it ?
Is he trying to scare congress into backing down in an attempt to save the country a "crisis" or is he basically blackmailing them, insinuating that the "crisis" could hurt congress or a party ?
