Eric Garner: Nothing Good Here

[MikeK]

I agree with you PC but both were to blame on this Garner and the Cops.
Garner who said don't touch me and the Cops who should have backed off when he kept saying he could not breath.
I don't think that firing them will do anything. They need to change the way they are trained. If that is not addressed then you will get the same type of behavior.

If you watch the TV documentary "ride-along," COPS, you will see many examples of aggressive take-downs (many of them excessively aggressive), and you will often hear the subject complaining about some pain or restricted breathing. So Garner's complaint was not uncommon.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I regularly listen to the commie radio station, WBAI, a Pacifica endeavor.....rarely agree, but they give me the idea for a lot of my posts.

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BAI sometimes has some excellent programming. I tuned it in regularly back in the 60s. Not so much, anymore.

It's my station for opera an baroque.

 

[ninja007]

The video of Eric Garner's death is one of those two or three minutes that leaves it's impact forever.

"I can't breathe...." ....eleven times.

There is nothing good here, not for anyone. No one will say 'I'm glad that happened...' because no one is.



Radio host Sandy Boyer, from the communist radio voice in NYC, WBAI, wrote the following for the Socialist Worker, Will there be justice for Eric Garner SocialistWorker.org



1. "IN NEW York City, like in Ferguson, African Americans aren't safe walking down the street.

2. Eric Garner was strangled to death by Patrolman Daniel Pantaleo in broad daylight on Staten Island .....

3. His killing might have gone almost unnoticed if a friend hadn't videotaped it--only to be arrested in retaliation for recording a police murder.

4. .... Pantaleo can be seen holding Eric Garner in an illegal chokehold as he wrestles him to the ground. Garner can be heard crying out, "I can't breathe." The video shows Pantaleo pushing Garner's face into the sidewalk. Garner died a few minutes later--but police waited seven minutes before trying to resuscitate him.

5. New York City Medical Examiner Barbara Sampson has ruled the Garner's death was a homicide. She found that it was the chokehold, ... that killed him.




6. Garner's "crime" was underselling local merchants by selling "loosies"--single, untaxed cigarettes--on the street for 50 cents apiece.

7. Cops routinely hassled Garner. He was out on bail for selling untaxed cigarettes the day they killed him.

When the cops came after him, Garner threw his arms in the air and yelled, "I was just minding my own business. Every time you see me, you want to mess with me. I'm tired of it. It stops today." Will there be justice for Eric Garner SocialistWorker.org



FULL Black Man KILLED After NYPD Cop Puts Him In CHOKEHOLD For Breaking Up a FIGHT - YouTube

for the 10th time- WHO WAS OVERSEEING ALL OF THIS? YES! A BLACK FEMALE SERGEANT!

 

[PoliticalChic]

The video of Eric Garner's death is one of those two or three minutes that leaves it's impact forever.

"I can't breathe...." ....eleven times.

There is nothing good here, not for anyone. No one will say 'I'm glad that happened...' because no one is.



Radio host Sandy Boyer, from the communist radio voice in NYC, WBAI, wrote the following for the Socialist Worker, Will there be justice for Eric Garner SocialistWorker.org



1. "IN NEW York City, like in Ferguson, African Americans aren't safe walking down the street.

2. Eric Garner was strangled to death by Patrolman Daniel Pantaleo in broad daylight on Staten Island .....

3. His killing might have gone almost unnoticed if a friend hadn't videotaped it--only to be arrested in retaliation for recording a police murder.

4. .... Pantaleo can be seen holding Eric Garner in an illegal chokehold as he wrestles him to the ground. Garner can be heard crying out, "I can't breathe." The video shows Pantaleo pushing Garner's face into the sidewalk. Garner died a few minutes later--but police waited seven minutes before trying to resuscitate him.

5. New York City Medical Examiner Barbara Sampson has ruled the Garner's death was a homicide. She found that it was the chokehold, ... that killed him.




6. Garner's "crime" was underselling local merchants by selling "loosies"--single, untaxed cigarettes--on the street for 50 cents apiece.

7. Cops routinely hassled Garner. He was out on bail for selling untaxed cigarettes the day they killed him.

When the cops came after him, Garner threw his arms in the air and yelled, "I was just minding my own business. Every time you see me, you want to mess with me. I'm tired of it. It stops today." Will there be justice for Eric Garner SocialistWorker.org



FULL Black Man KILLED After NYPD Cop Puts Him In CHOKEHOLD For Breaking Up a FIGHT - YouTube

for the 10th time- WHO WAS OVERSEEING ALL OF THIS? YES! A BLACK FEMALE SERGEANT!

Here is the nugget at the center:

If the police in question knew Garner and he knew them from previous encounters, and because he filed some harassment charges against them....

...this became something personal....and should have been seen as such by the grand jury.


It is not a question of black-white.

"Eric Garner’s Death Wasn’t An Issue Of Race, Says His Daughter
She doesn’t think it’s a racial issue, but rather an abuse of police power. And yes, it can be the latter without being the former."
Eric Garner s Death Wasn t An Issue Of Race Says His Daughter The Daily Caller



On that basis I disagree with the grand jury.

 

[Roadrunner]

My dad taught me to treat cops with the same respect I would any other dangerous animal.

That's great that you had a dad.

 

[Roadrunner]

I agree with you PC but both were to blame on this Garner and the Cops.
Garner who said don't touch me and the Cops who should have backed off when he kept saying he could not breath.
I don't think that firing them will do anything. They need to change the way they are trained. If that is not addressed then you will get the same type of behavior.

If you watch the TV documentary "ride-along," COPS, you will see many examples of aggressive take-downs (many of them excessively aggressive), and you will often hear the subject complaining about some pain or restricted breathing. So Garner's complaint was not uncommon.

Not uncommon among thousands of other morbidly obese asthmatic pot smokers either.

 

[MikeK]

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Garner who said don't touch me and the Cops who should have backed off when he kept saying he could not breath.

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If you will watch the TV "ride-along" documentary, COPS, you will see that during the typical aggressive take-down the complaint, "I can't breathe," is not at all uncommon.

I watch COPS often and I've heard it three times in the past week. Presenting those segments to a jury would ensure an acquittal of the Garner cops.

Also, Garner didn't die from a chokehold. If he had died from the chokehold he would have died right on the sidewalk where he lay. The fact is he died in the ambulance -- from asthmatic asphyxiation. His own pre-existing medical condition is what killed him.

Please don't infer that I'm defending the cops. I am strongly critical of excessively aggressive cops -- especially when they are plainly incompetent in applying physical restraint and control methods. I am simply presenting the facts as they will arise in a trial and influence the outcome.