Episcopal diocese claims refugee ban stops them from welcoming strangers in need

[RodISHI]

According to the broadcast on NPR The Episcopal diocese says the refugee ban by President Trump is interfering with them in practicing their faith. From what I gathered from the broadcast is that the federal government pays them to resettle refugees. The claim was made though that this ban of refugees (particularly Somalia and Iraq) is preventing them from "practicing their faith".

Looks more like it is preventing them from collecting more money in their efforts to claim they are fulfilling the "stranger" verses spoken by Jesus. They think that bringing refugees in and getting paid for it meets the qualifier Jesus was speaking about. If I were their teacher I would give them a big "F" for failures. Increasing the burden of another after you have already been paid with other peoples money for your so called charitable services does not qualify as charity.

If those who are involved in this scam were actually in it to be charitable they would be putting up their own money. These churches that are contracting out services under the guise of being a religious charity are serving only themselves. Now they believe that they have the right to demand that the all of the people should believe in their carnal precepts by forcing this issue in court. Not only that they are ignoring the advice and instruction in the good book from whence they claim that they being charitable "welcoming strangers". If they want to take care of "strangers" as they define them they should go to these banned countries that have Imans calling for the destruction of America and do it with their own money and donations that are given freely. Either that or setup facilities near these Islamic enclaves to entertain and host the strangers they are willing to foist on others. Jesus said feed my flock not feed Islam's flock demanding other peoples money in order to do it. He also said beware of wolves in sheep's clothing and men who love robes and high places.

A "stranger" xen'-os; apparently a primary word; foreign (literally, alien, or figuratively, novel); by implication, a guest or (vice-versa) entertainer:—host, strange(-r). one who receives and entertains another hospitably

Olympia diocese welcomes refugees, sues to keep resettlement efforts alive
“This executive order is a violation of the foundational principles of our nation,” Rickel said in a Feb. 7 statement announcing the lawsuit. “As a member of the Jesus Movement, I believe the United States has a moral responsibility to receive and help resettle refugees from the more than 65 million people who have been displaced by war, violence, famine, and persecution. To turn these vulnerable people away and limit the flow of refugees into our country is to dishonor the One we serve.”

The "One" they serve appears to be their "almighty dollar".


1Peter 5:2 Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind;

 

[RodISHI]

This makes me wonder how much money the Catholics are receiving in this refugee drive. A Catholic bishop calling for civil unrest? I suppose he doesn't really believe that the laws of the land actually mean anything.

2 Kings 17:31 (KJV)
Assyria spiritually speaking is 'warrior like exalted religions'. Avims are basically greedy self willed 'lusty perverts or distorters'.

San Diego's Catholic bishop urges citizens to be 'disruptors' and 'rebuilders' in Trump era

 

[ding]

This makes me wonder how much money the Catholics are receiving in this refugee drive. A Catholic bishop calling for civil unrest? I suppose he doesn't really believe that the laws of the land actually mean anything.

2 Kings 17:31 (KJV)
Assyria spiritually speaking is 'warrior like exalted religions'. Avims are basically greedy self willed 'lusty perverts or distorters'.

San Diego's Catholic bishop urges citizens to be 'disruptors' and 'rebuilders' in Trump era

Yes, I would be interested in knowing that too.

 

[RodISHI]

This makes me wonder how much money the Catholics are receiving in this refugee drive. A Catholic bishop calling for civil unrest? I suppose he doesn't really believe that the laws of the land actually mean anything.

2 Kings 17:31 (KJV)
Assyria spiritually speaking is 'warrior like exalted religions'. Avims are basically greedy self willed 'lusty perverts or distorters'.

San Diego's Catholic bishop urges citizens to be 'disruptors' and 'rebuilders' in Trump era

Yes, I would be interested in knowing that too.

I can't help but wonder how much in federal taxpayer funds these are all getting and how much is going in via Arab oil money to disrupt and keep people confused.

 

[ding]

This makes me wonder how much money the Catholics are receiving in this refugee drive. A Catholic bishop calling for civil unrest? I suppose he doesn't really believe that the laws of the land actually mean anything.

2 Kings 17:31 (KJV)
Assyria spiritually speaking is 'warrior like exalted religions'. Avims are basically greedy self willed 'lusty perverts or distorters'.

San Diego's Catholic bishop urges citizens to be 'disruptors' and 'rebuilders' in Trump era

Yes, I would be interested in knowing that too.

I can't help but wonder how much in federal taxpayer funds these are all getting and how much is going in via Arab oil money to disrupt and keep people confused.

Don't know. I worry more about militant atheism and socialism as a threat to our liberty and freedom.

 

[RodISHI]

This makes me wonder how much money the Catholics are receiving in this refugee drive. A Catholic bishop calling for civil unrest? I suppose he doesn't really believe that the laws of the land actually mean anything.

2 Kings 17:31 (KJV)
Assyria spiritually speaking is 'warrior like exalted religions'. Avims are basically greedy self willed 'lusty perverts or distorters'.

San Diego's Catholic bishop urges citizens to be 'disruptors' and 'rebuilders' in Trump era

Yes, I would be interested in knowing that too.

I can't help but wonder how much in federal taxpayer funds these are all getting and how much is going in via Arab oil money to disrupt and keep people confused.

Don't know. I worry more about militant atheism and socialism as a threat to our liberty and freedom.

I think it all plays a piece and a part. I personally would not recommend people going into those places where any 'Hell's Angels camps' are but I would not recommend taking them out of what they willingly choose by force either. Religions used as the background who are actually in it for the money and control have been a problem all along too. This destruction of ancient landmarks are being done in the name of their religion too when its really more about control.

 

[ding]

This makes me wonder how much money the Catholics are receiving in this refugee drive. A Catholic bishop calling for civil unrest? I suppose he doesn't really believe that the laws of the land actually mean anything.

2 Kings 17:31 (KJV)
Assyria spiritually speaking is 'warrior like exalted religions'. Avims are basically greedy self willed 'lusty perverts or distorters'.

San Diego's Catholic bishop urges citizens to be 'disruptors' and 'rebuilders' in Trump era

Yes, I would be interested in knowing that too.

I can't help but wonder how much in federal taxpayer funds these are all getting and how much is going in via Arab oil money to disrupt and keep people confused.

Don't know. I worry more about militant atheism and socialism as a threat to our liberty and freedom.

I think it all plays a piece and a part. I personally would not recommend people going into those places where any 'Hell's Angels camps' are but I would not recommend taking them out of what they willingly choose by force either. Religions used as the background who are actually in it for the money and control have been a problem all along too. This destruction of ancient landmarks are being done in the name of their religion too when its really more about control.

I agree. It is all connected.

[Today's Western society has revealed the inequality between the freedom for good deeds and the freedom for evil deeds. Destructive and irresponsible freedom has been granted boundless space. Society has little defense against the abyss of human decadence. This tilt of freedom toward evil has come about gradually. It stems from a humanistic and benevolent concept according to which man — the master of the world — does not bear any evil within himself, and all the defects of life are caused by misguided social systems, which must therefore be corrected. Our society has become a soulless and smooth plane of legalism. We have suffered a decline in the arts and lack of great statesmen; both telltale symptoms of a perishing society. If we are left without electric power for a few hours we will start looting and creating havoc. Our social system is quite unstable and unhealthy. Everything beyond physical well-being and the accumulation of material goods were left outside the area of attention of state and social systems, as if human life did not have any higher meaning. In early democracies, as in American democracy, all individual human rights were granted on the ground that man is God's creature. That freedom was given to the individual conditionally, in the assumption of his constant religious responsibility. All such limitations were eroded everywhere in the West; a total emancipation occurred from the moral heritage of Christian centuries with their great reserves of mercy and sacrifice. State systems were becoming ever more materialistic. The West has finally achieved the rights of man, and even excess, but man's sense of responsibility to God and society has grown dimmer and dimmer. In the past decades, the legalistic selfishness of the Western approach to the world has reached its peak and the world has found itself in a harsh spiritual crisis and a political impasse. All the celebrated technological achievements of progress, including the conquest of outer space, do not redeem the twentieth century's moral poverty, which no one could have imagined even as late as the nineteenth century.]

paraphrased from Alexander Solzhenitsyn's Harvard Address

"...As humanism in its development was becoming more and more materialistic, it also increasingly allowed concepts to be used first by socialism and then by communism, so that Karl Marx was able to say, in 1844, that "communism is naturalized humanism." This statement has proved to be not entirely unreasonable. One does not see the same stones in the foundations of an eroded humanism and of any type of socialism: boundless materialism; freedom from religion and religious responsibility (which under Communist regimes attains the stage of antireligious dictatorship); concentration on social structures with an allegedly scientific approach. (This last is typical of both the Age of Enlightenment and of Marxism.) It is no accident that all of communism's rhetorical vows revolve around Man (with a capital M) and his earthly happiness. At first glance it seems an ugly parallel: common traits in the thinking and way of life of today's West and today's East? But such is the logic of materialistic development.

The interrelationship is such, moreover, that the current of materialism which is farthest to the left, and is hence the most consistent, always proves to be stronger, more attractive, and victorious. Humanism which has lost its Christian heritage cannot prevail in this competition. Thus during the past centuries and especially in recent decades, as the process became more acute, the alignment of forces was as follows: Liberalism was inevitably pushed aside by radicalism, radicalism had to surrender to socialism, and socialism could not stand up to communism..."

Alexander I. Solzhenitsyn -- A World Split Apart — Commencement Address Delivered At Harvard University, June 8, 1978

 

[RodISHI]

This makes me wonder how much money the Catholics are receiving in this refugee drive. A Catholic bishop calling for civil unrest? I suppose he doesn't really believe that the laws of the land actually mean anything.

2 Kings 17:31 (KJV)
Assyria spiritually speaking is 'warrior like exalted religions'. Avims are basically greedy self willed 'lusty perverts or distorters'.

San Diego's Catholic bishop urges citizens to be 'disruptors' and 'rebuilders' in Trump era

Yes, I would be interested in knowing that too.

I can't help but wonder how much in federal taxpayer funds these are all getting and how much is going in via Arab oil money to disrupt and keep people confused.

Don't know. I worry more about militant atheism and socialism as a threat to our liberty and freedom.

I think it all plays a piece and a part. I personally would not recommend people going into those places where any 'Hell's Angels camps' are but I would not recommend taking them out of what they willingly choose by force either. Religions used as the background who are actually in it for the money and control have been a problem all along too. This destruction of ancient landmarks are being done in the name of their religion too when its really more about control.

I agree. It is all connected.

[Today's Western society has revealed the inequality between the freedom for good deeds and the freedom for evil deeds. Destructive and irresponsible freedom has been granted boundless space. Society has little defense against the abyss of human decadence. This tilt of freedom toward evil has come about gradually. It stems from a humanistic and benevolent concept according to which man — the master of the world — does not bear any evil within himself, and all the defects of life are caused by misguided social systems, which must therefore be corrected. Our society has become a soulless and smooth plane of legalism. We have suffered a decline in the arts and lack of great statesmen; both telltale symptoms of a perishing society. If we are left without electric power for a few hours we will start looting and creating havoc. Our social system is quite unstable and unhealthy. Everything beyond physical well-being and the accumulation of material goods were left outside the area of attention of state and social systems, as if human life did not have any higher meaning. In early democracies, as in American democracy, all individual human rights were granted on the ground that man is God's creature. That freedom was given to the individual conditionally, in the assumption of his constant religious responsibility. All such limitations were eroded everywhere in the West; a total emancipation occurred from the moral heritage of Christian centuries with their great reserves of mercy and sacrifice. State systems were becoming ever more materialistic. The West has finally achieved the rights of man, and even excess, but man's sense of responsibility to God and society has grown dimmer and dimmer. In the past decades, the legalistic selfishness of the Western approach to the world has reached its peak and the world has found itself in a harsh spiritual crisis and a political impasse. All the celebrated technological achievements of progress, including the conquest of outer space, do not redeem the twentieth century's moral poverty, which no one could have imagined even as late as the nineteenth century.]

paraphrased from Alexander Solzhenitsyn's Harvard Address

"...As humanism in its development was becoming more and more materialistic, it also increasingly allowed concepts to be used first by socialism and then by communism, so that Karl Marx was able to say, in 1844, that "communism is naturalized humanism." This statement has proved to be not entirely unreasonable. One does not see the same stones in the foundations of an eroded humanism and of any type of socialism: boundless materialism; freedom from religion and religious responsibility (which under Communist regimes attains the stage of antireligious dictatorship); concentration on social structures with an allegedly scientific approach. (This last is typical of both the Age of Enlightenment and of Marxism.) It is no accident that all of communism's rhetorical vows revolve around Man (with a capital M) and his earthly happiness. At first glance it seems an ugly parallel: common traits in the thinking and way of life of today's West and today's East? But such is the logic of materialistic development.

The interrelationship is such, moreover, that the current of materialism which is farthest to the left, and is hence the most consistent, always proves to be stronger, more attractive, and victorious. Humanism which has lost its Christian heritage cannot prevail in this competition. Thus during the past centuries and especially in recent decades, as the process became more acute, the alignment of forces was as follows: Liberalism was inevitably pushed aside by radicalism, radicalism had to surrender to socialism, and socialism could not stand up to communism..."

Alexander I. Solzhenitsyn -- A World Split Apart — Commencement Address Delivered At Harvard University, June 8, 1978

Thank you. I will reread this in the morning after a bit of rest. Truth I know has been ignored in favor of commerce and their increase at all levels. When I think about it I consider how when the spirit of Jeroboam is king sets the lowest of the people of the land who are not of Levi in as priest. I had a very disturbing vision that shook my flesh when I awoke about twenty years ago. The Lord was exceedingly wroth and I felt his fury when I looked at the golden calf that had been made for the children to worship by king Omri 'pupil of Jehovah'. I knew then a terrible time would be coming for many. The golden calf was stamped OMRI on it, etc.... is worshiped and things degrade from there as the people are taught to error.

 

[RodISHI]

This makes me wonder how much money the Catholics are receiving in this refugee drive. A Catholic bishop calling for civil unrest? I suppose he doesn't really believe that the laws of the land actually mean anything.

2 Kings 17:31 (KJV)
Assyria spiritually speaking is 'warrior like exalted religions'. Avims are basically greedy self willed 'lusty perverts or distorters'.

San Diego's Catholic bishop urges citizens to be 'disruptors' and 'rebuilders' in Trump era

Yes, I would be interested in knowing that too.

I can't help but wonder how much in federal taxpayer funds these are all getting and how much is going in via Arab oil money to disrupt and keep people confused.

Don't know. I worry more about militant atheism and socialism as a threat to our liberty and freedom.

I think it all plays a piece and a part. I personally would not recommend people going into those places where any 'Hell's Angels camps' are but I would not recommend taking them out of what they willingly choose by force either. Religions used as the background who are actually in it for the money and control have been a problem all along too. This destruction of ancient landmarks are being done in the name of their religion too when its really more about control.

I agree. It is all connected.

[Today's Western society has revealed the inequality between the freedom for good deeds and the freedom for evil deeds. Destructive and irresponsible freedom has been granted boundless space. Society has little defense against the abyss of human decadence. This tilt of freedom toward evil has come about gradually. It stems from a humanistic and benevolent concept according to which man — the master of the world — does not bear any evil within himself, and all the defects of life are caused by misguided social systems, which must therefore be corrected. Our society has become a soulless and smooth plane of legalism. We have suffered a decline in the arts and lack of great statesmen; both telltale symptoms of a perishing society. If we are left without electric power for a few hours we will start looting and creating havoc. Our social system is quite unstable and unhealthy. Everything beyond physical well-being and the accumulation of material goods were left outside the area of attention of state and social systems, as if human life did not have any higher meaning. In early democracies, as in American democracy, all individual human rights were granted on the ground that man is God's creature. That freedom was given to the individual conditionally, in the assumption of his constant religious responsibility. All such limitations were eroded everywhere in the West; a total emancipation occurred from the moral heritage of Christian centuries with their great reserves of mercy and sacrifice. State systems were becoming ever more materialistic. The West has finally achieved the rights of man, and even excess, but man's sense of responsibility to God and society has grown dimmer and dimmer. In the past decades, the legalistic selfishness of the Western approach to the world has reached its peak and the world has found itself in a harsh spiritual crisis and a political impasse. All the celebrated technological achievements of progress, including the conquest of outer space, do not redeem the twentieth century's moral poverty, which no one could have imagined even as late as the nineteenth century.]

paraphrased from Alexander Solzhenitsyn's Harvard Address

"...As humanism in its development was becoming more and more materialistic, it also increasingly allowed concepts to be used first by socialism and then by communism, so that Karl Marx was able to say, in 1844, that "communism is naturalized humanism." This statement has proved to be not entirely unreasonable. One does not see the same stones in the foundations of an eroded humanism and of any type of socialism: boundless materialism; freedom from religion and religious responsibility (which under Communist regimes attains the stage of antireligious dictatorship); concentration on social structures with an allegedly scientific approach. (This last is typical of both the Age of Enlightenment and of Marxism.) It is no accident that all of communism's rhetorical vows revolve around Man (with a capital M) and his earthly happiness. At first glance it seems an ugly parallel: common traits in the thinking and way of life of today's West and today's East? But such is the logic of materialistic development.

The interrelationship is such, moreover, that the current of materialism which is farthest to the left, and is hence the most consistent, always proves to be stronger, more attractive, and victorious. Humanism which has lost its Christian heritage cannot prevail in this competition. Thus during the past centuries and especially in recent decades, as the process became more acute, the alignment of forces was as follows: Liberalism was inevitably pushed aside by radicalism, radicalism had to surrender to socialism, and socialism could not stand up to communism..."

Alexander I. Solzhenitsyn -- A World Split Apart — Commencement Address Delivered At Harvard University, June 8, 1978

This is a very good read Ding. A lot of it will continue to apply through generations even as it applies now.

 

[ding]

Yes, I would be interested in knowing that too.

I can't help but wonder how much in federal taxpayer funds these are all getting and how much is going in via Arab oil money to disrupt and keep people confused.

Don't know. I worry more about militant atheism and socialism as a threat to our liberty and freedom.

I think it all plays a piece and a part. I personally would not recommend people going into those places where any 'Hell's Angels camps' are but I would not recommend taking them out of what they willingly choose by force either. Religions used as the background who are actually in it for the money and control have been a problem all along too. This destruction of ancient landmarks are being done in the name of their religion too when its really more about control.

I agree. It is all connected.

[Today's Western society has revealed the inequality between the freedom for good deeds and the freedom for evil deeds. Destructive and irresponsible freedom has been granted boundless space. Society has little defense against the abyss of human decadence. This tilt of freedom toward evil has come about gradually. It stems from a humanistic and benevolent concept according to which man — the master of the world — does not bear any evil within himself, and all the defects of life are caused by misguided social systems, which must therefore be corrected. Our society has become a soulless and smooth plane of legalism. We have suffered a decline in the arts and lack of great statesmen; both telltale symptoms of a perishing society. If we are left without electric power for a few hours we will start looting and creating havoc. Our social system is quite unstable and unhealthy. Everything beyond physical well-being and the accumulation of material goods were left outside the area of attention of state and social systems, as if human life did not have any higher meaning. In early democracies, as in American democracy, all individual human rights were granted on the ground that man is God's creature. That freedom was given to the individual conditionally, in the assumption of his constant religious responsibility. All such limitations were eroded everywhere in the West; a total emancipation occurred from the moral heritage of Christian centuries with their great reserves of mercy and sacrifice. State systems were becoming ever more materialistic. The West has finally achieved the rights of man, and even excess, but man's sense of responsibility to God and society has grown dimmer and dimmer. In the past decades, the legalistic selfishness of the Western approach to the world has reached its peak and the world has found itself in a harsh spiritual crisis and a political impasse. All the celebrated technological achievements of progress, including the conquest of outer space, do not redeem the twentieth century's moral poverty, which no one could have imagined even as late as the nineteenth century.]

paraphrased from Alexander Solzhenitsyn's Harvard Address

"...As humanism in its development was becoming more and more materialistic, it also increasingly allowed concepts to be used first by socialism and then by communism, so that Karl Marx was able to say, in 1844, that "communism is naturalized humanism." This statement has proved to be not entirely unreasonable. One does not see the same stones in the foundations of an eroded humanism and of any type of socialism: boundless materialism; freedom from religion and religious responsibility (which under Communist regimes attains the stage of antireligious dictatorship); concentration on social structures with an allegedly scientific approach. (This last is typical of both the Age of Enlightenment and of Marxism.) It is no accident that all of communism's rhetorical vows revolve around Man (with a capital M) and his earthly happiness. At first glance it seems an ugly parallel: common traits in the thinking and way of life of today's West and today's East? But such is the logic of materialistic development.

The interrelationship is such, moreover, that the current of materialism which is farthest to the left, and is hence the most consistent, always proves to be stronger, more attractive, and victorious. Humanism which has lost its Christian heritage cannot prevail in this competition. Thus during the past centuries and especially in recent decades, as the process became more acute, the alignment of forces was as follows: Liberalism was inevitably pushed aside by radicalism, radicalism had to surrender to socialism, and socialism could not stand up to communism..."

Alexander I. Solzhenitsyn -- A World Split Apart — Commencement Address Delivered At Harvard University, June 8, 1978

This is a very good read Ding. A lot of it will continue to apply through generations even as it applies now.

Thank you. He is a modern day prophet. He is uniquely situated as he has been on both sides of evil. He was an artillery officer during WWII and entered Germany. If you know anything about that period of history, you will understand my comment. Later he was sent to the Gulag because he was considered a dissident and experience the receiving end of evil. He wrote "The Gulag" which I have not read yet but have read several excerpts from it. Here is one of my favorite quotes (not from the Gulag though). Always feel free to use anything I post as your own. I try to provide proper citations so others can feel confident in doing so.

Alexander Solzhenitsyn

“More than half a century ago, while I was still a child, I recall hearing a number of older people offer the following explanation for the great disasters that had befallen Russia: ‘Men have forgotten God; that's why all this has happened." “Since then I have spent well-nigh fifty years working on the history of our Revolution; in the process I have read hundreds of books, collected hundreds of personal testimonies, and have already contributed eight volumes of my own toward the effort of clearing away the rubble left by that upheaval...But if I were asked today to formulate as concisely as possible the main cause of the ruinous Revolution that swallowed up some sixty million of our people, I could not put it more accurately than to repeat: "Men have forgotten God; that's why all this has happened.’”

“Templeton Lecture, May 10, 1983,” in The Solzhenitsyn Reader: New and Essential Writings, 1947-2005, eds. Edward E. Ericson, Jr. and Daniel J. Mahoney (Wilmington, DE: Intercollegiate Studies Institute, 2006), 577