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And if people are getting sick and dying in the mean time, then what? Oh well! Culture of Life out the window!
People are getting sick and hungry now with the EPA using its power to shut down entire industries. You act like the states can not be trusted to regulate their own enviroment when they have a stake in clean air and water also. I dont advocate the end of enviromental regulations and they must be strictly enforced but that is a power for the state not EPA; which by the way is answerable to no one because they are not elected.
1) Name an industry that has been shutdown by the EPA which has now resulted in people getting sick and hungry.
2) "You act like the states can not be trusted to regulate their own enviroment" -Any state could regulate their own environment. That's not in question. The problem comes in with them having such low standards that their lack of regulation affects other neighboring states. Perhaps you don't understand how weather and climate work, but there's this thing called "wind" and it can carry "pollutants" a long way that then get deposited in a neighboring state via "rain".
Again, are you honestly suggesting that Kansas should be allowed to pollute Nebraska, and if Nebraska has a problem with it their only remedy is suing and going to the Supreme Court?
Nothing that humans have done in our history has ever hurt the earth, it has been proven that millions of years ago the carbon in the air was 30% higher then it is now, earth heals itself. Did you know that you are made of carbon? everything is carbon based, and if the progressives have their way you will be paying for carbon that already existed millions of years before man did, now doesn't that sound stupid?
I would amuse them by telling them that there is nothing wrong with the air, and I would even give them scientific fact to back it up with.
Yes, the Earth does have a profound resiliency. Many times it has cleaned itself up by providing mass extinctions so it could fix whatever may have gone wrong. I would prefer that we are not the ones to provoke another mass extinction due to our arrogance.
The EPA shut down the ENTIRE coal industry? That's terrible news! Why didn't Fox run a special on it?The coal industry.
Not how it works bub. You're asking me to prove a state won't do something and that's proving a negative which doesn't work. The burden is on you and yours to prove the states WILL police their environment and keep things clean.[/QUOTE]Prove that state standards are so low that they will ruin all the water and air in the state.
All states have a DEP but the fedeal EPA takes almost all their authority away. If we give it back to them then they will do their jobs as the people of the state see fit.
Which is exactly why we shouldn't do it. In your scenario, Kansas could decide to fuck the environment and pollute all they want. Those pollutants could land in Nebraska instead of Kansas and then what? States sue each other? How do you enforce Kansas not polluting on Nebraska? Or do you think that would be fine?
There needs to be a national policy and a national enforcement of it.
Well we finally have found a use for the supreme court. If two states are in dispute then let them litigate there.
[/QUOTE]The EPA shut down the ENTIRE coal industry? That's terrible news! Why didn't Fox run a special on it?The coal industry.
Not how it works bub. You're asking me to prove a state won't do something and that's proving a negative which doesn't work. The burden is on you and yours to prove the states WILL police their environment and keep things clean.Prove that state standards are so low that they will ruin all the water and air in the state.
The EPA shut down the ENTIRE coal industry? That's terrible news! Why didn't Fox run a special on it?The coal industry.
Not how it works bub. You're asking me to prove a state won't do something and that's proving a negative which doesn't work. The burden is on you and yours to prove the states WILL police their environment and keep things clean.Prove that state standards are so low that they will ruin all the water and air in the state.
The EPA shut down the ENTIRE coal industry? That's terrible news! Why didn't Fox run a special on it?
Not how it works bub. You're asking me to prove a state won't do something and that's proving a negative which doesn't work. The burden is on you and yours to prove the states WILL police their environment and keep things clean.
You are the one that is claiming that the states standards are to low then prove it. \
It is no secret that the EPA and the Obama admininstration have a plan to bankrupt the coal industry.
You are the one that is claiming that the states standards are to low then prove it.
How much cleaner is the water and air in the last 20 years? How much of that was due to EPA regs?
I realize the Obamarrhoids think "hey screw the working man" but permanent unemployment isn't a solution for anyone.
Yes, the EPA has become essentially a rogue agency, passing what ought to be legislation simply by regulatory fiat. They are unelected and unaccountable. Cutting their budget by 75% would go a long way towards helping the economy.
Let's see, the Constitution doesn't authorize the Federal government to regulate the environment, thus the EPA is completely unconstitutional and the power to regulate the environment is only in the scope of the State's power.
Maybe you guys should stop relying on emotional arguments and actually end the corruption in our government when the wrong politicians try to steal power from the correct agencies. You've lost your freedom because of your corruption.
So you have absolutely no proof.
When I was a kid you could not fish in the Hudson River. Twenty years ago you could fish in the Hudson River. You can still fish in the Hudson River.
So you're saying that the EPA can go away now because it did it's job and companies will now follow suit and clean up after themselves voluntarily?
State depts of EP will be the watch dog of industry to minimize their enviromental impact on the planet.
This may be Michele Bachmann's vision of American but I doubt many Americans share that vision.
Why do you think this country will turn into China?
I would amuse them by telling them that there is nothing wrong with the air, and I would even give them scientific fact to back it up with.
Yes, the Earth does have a profound resiliency. Many times it has cleaned itself up by providing mass extinctions so it could fix whatever may have gone wrong. I would prefer that we are not the ones to provoke another mass extinction due to our arrogance.
Yes! We are arrogant. The Left's meme for everything.
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There is a financial incentive in the pollution control industry, not land developers, power power, plants and most of industry.No, I don't think so. Even the radical Right that seeks to turn the country into a collision of independent states sees the need for pollution control. The accomplishments of the EPA are huge, from saving the Bald Eagle and thousand of endanger species, to reducing air and water pollution in our major cities. No, I don't think America wants to return to the choking pollution and burning rivers of the past. Pollution control has become big business in the US with revenues in billions.Congresswoman Michele 'Hitman' Bachmann desires to see industry grow in the USA(so does everyone else!). On top of making the USA a low tax nation for industries to set up business in, the 'Hitman' wants to 'squelch' the EPA to make it easier for business to relocate in country. The EPA, never popular with the rank & file tax paying constituency in the 1st place would be an easy target in an era of tight budgets & high unemployment. I mean who cares about wetland zoning when one is living in the back seat of their vehicle???
My question is, considering the dismal financial situation in country... is the EPA an easy target to start with in eliminating the 'fat' in federal government? It's come down to managing wetlands or keeping a roof over ones head & food on the table. What's your opinion on this one???
So if it's big business and people have a financial incentive to continue doing it, why do you think we will suddenly revert to pre-1969 standards?
Huh? Huh?
Which is exactly the reason we have federal regulation to protect the environmental.I live on a body of water that borders two states. What happens when the folks across the lake have looser standards and they pollute my water supply?There are states that will and there are states that won't.
All states have a DEP but the fedeal EPA takes almost all their authority away. If we give it back to them then they will do their jobs as the people of the state see fit.
What happens when no one in that state gives a shit about sulfur dioxide emissions because the prevailing winds carry them away from their people?
Its taken 40 or 50 years to cleanup our waterways and air. Without regulation and enforcement, fines, lawsuits, and inspections, the environment will return to the days before environmental laws. Big corporations are not going to continue to spend millions on equipment that protects our air and water or forego development of environmental sensitive land without enforcement. Their goal is profit, not protection of the environment.
Without EPA protection our precious wetlands would be only a small fraction of what they are today. Wetlands naturally filter and recharge the water that later comes out of our faucets. They act like giant sponges, slowing the flow of surface water and reducing the impact of flooding. Their protection is vital not just to man but to fish and wildlife.
By 1967 the great California Condors numbers had shrank to only 25 in the wild. The Whooping Crane numbers had been reduced to only 21 worldwide. Even the Bald Eagle, our national bird was on the verge of extinction. By banning of DDP, use of lead in buckshot, and rigid protection of nesting places, these birds are all making a comeback along hundreds of other creatures.
Economic woes come and go, but extinction is forever.
Yes, if we cut even one dollar from EPA's budget every big mean corporation will rush to dump their toxic shit all over school yards and stuff.
Geez, people are stupid. This is how Democrats get in office.
