Environmentalism: The "Greenist Insanity"

I enjoy the fact that bears have some place to live. Protect their habitat. What is wrong with saving some forest lands from human corruption? It is pure common sense. If you don't believe in this then you think Chinese air is safe to breathe. Look at what industry has done to that country..turned it into a god forsaken pit.

" human corruption?"

Oh,no...another imbecile.

Imbecile? Because they'd like to save some land for wildlife? Because they think the results of the unfettered industrialization practiced by the Chinese for the last several decades are undesirable? That it's something we ought try to avoid? You've got some odd priorities there.

"Ownership is not only a right, it is a duty.Ownership obligates Use your property as if it had been entrusted to you by the people."
Oswald Spengler

On which side of Spengler's comment do you stand? It's not clear.

  1. Born out of a fear that pastoral lands would be overrun by developers, the environmentalists practice ā€˜fortress conservation,ā€™ the typical form of conservation everywhere. It involves locking down as much land as possible and practicing ā€˜natural regulation,ā€™ which means no one touches it! Ever. Not even ā€˜disturbing the vegetation.ā€™
  2. Now, for most of recorded history, humans have practiced adaptive management of resources., i.e., when a problem crops up, we solve it. If we want a landscape, we create one; a working forest, ditto.
  3. Rangeland, farmland, townscapes- all can be managed for bounty and health of resources and people!
  4. But ā€˜natural regulationā€™ began in the 1960ā€™s in almost all land-use agencies in the world and quickly became the preferred method by which all resources and land were to be managed. Over the past five decades, natural regulation has been adapted almost everywhere. Nature knows best.
  5. To environmentalists, man is a virus and a despoiler and must be controlled!"Eco-Fascists," Nickson, chapter two.

From Wikipedia's article on Environmentalism

Environmentalism is a broad philosophy, ideology and social movement regarding concerns for environmental protection and improvement of the health of the environment, particularly as the measure for this health seeks to incorporate the concerns of non-human elements. Environmentalism advocates the preservation, restoration and/or improvement of the natural environment, and may be referred to as a movement to control pollution or protect plant and animal diversity.[1] For this reason, concepts such as a land ethic,environmental ethics, biodiversity, ecology and the biophilia hypothesis figure predominantly.

At its crux, environmentalism is an attempt to balance relations between humans and the various natural systems on which they depend in such a way that all the components are accorded a proper degree of sustainability. The exact measures and outcomes of this balance is controversial and there are many different ways for environmental concerns to be expressed in practice. Environmentalism and environmental concerns are often represented by the color green,[2] but this association has been appropriated by the marketing industries and is a key tactic of greenwashing. Environmentalism is opposed by anti-environmentalism, which takes a skeptical stance against many environmentalist perspectives.





"Imbecile? Because they'd like to save some land for wildlife?"

Another imbecile.

" That said, the ā€˜Eco-Fascistsā€™ have managed the sequestration of productive land unmatched since the age of kings. Over 30% of the American land base lies under no-use or limited-use restrictionsā€¦.almost 700 million acres. The Bureau of Land Management and the Department of the Interior are targeting the confiscation of another 213 million acres, bringing the count to nearly half of the continent! "
http://r-calfusa.com/Trade/property_rights/100900BLMLeakedMemo.pdf
 
Is the US short of arable land?



Soooooo....you don't believe (I almost said 'think') that 30% of the nation is enough for your pets?

And...is it really the aim of the eco-fascists?
The whole thing is made up to trick fools like you!

  1. The Spotted Owl campaign, as is so very many other environmental campaigns, a deceit. It is a way of advancing the real agenda, confiscating property, making land off-limit, and eliminating any human presence. No matter the cost. No matter the result.
  2. ā€œLook, I donā€™t doubt that the regulatory processed that we put in place to produce the environmental goods that we wan have taken a toll on the economy generally and the rural economy in particular. Telling the story that rural communities are being harmed may tug at the heartstrings of rural people, but no one else will care.
  3. You see, what the sage grouse is about is, they want to stop drilling in beautiful Wyoming. Thatā€™s the hidden agendaā€¦.Take the spotted owl caseā€¦.One of the people instrumental in shutting down th forests told me that ā€˜if the spotted owl hadnā€™t existed, we would have had to invent it.ā€™ The goal was to stop loggingā€¦.It is totally questionable whether owls were endangered by logging. Was it good for the overall health of the forest? Probably not. Was it good for the spotted owl? It probably didnā€™t make a difference. Did it hurt the overall economies of the West? Yes.ā€ Nickson, ā€œEco-Fascists,ā€ p.129. 4. Holly Fretwell is a Property and Environment Research Center (PERC): Senior Research Fellow, and an adjunct professor at Montana State University. She spent a year auditing the health Forest Serviceā€™s 446 million acres under it and the Bureau of Land Managementā€™s command. The effect of fifteen years of sequestration of public lands has been a disaster. Thinning, salvage harvesting, cleaning deadfall are expressly forbidden by environmentalists, the areas are considered by the Forrest Service itself to be in immediate danger of exploding in a once-in-a-millennium fire that would burn so hot that not only would the seeds in the soil die, but also the dirt itself would be burned to dust. Fretwell, ā€œWho is Minding the Federal Estate?ā€ p. 54. 5.ā€œThe spotted owl was dying anyway. First of all, its prey was being eaten by the larger barred owl, which had been moving west for the last hundred years, but its supposed natural habitat was dying. In eastern Oregon and Washingtonā€™s Blue Mountain forests. 6 million acres are dead and dying. The Shasta-Trinity National Forest- formally designated spotted owl habitat- has so much root rot that it is called the Valley of Death. One breeding pair remains.ā€ Nickson, Op. Cit., p.131.

Yet, somehow, this is a higher value than the people who live and work in these areas.
 
Is the US short of arable land?

Soooooo....you don't believe (I almost said 'think') that 30% of the nation is enough for your pets?

Your previous post originally stated that 50% of the nation had been set aside.

And...is it really the aim of the eco-fascists?

Is what the aim and who do you describe as "eco-fascists"?

The whole thing is made up to trick fools like you!

Made up by whom? And in what way am I fooled?
  1. The Spotted Owl campaign [SNIP]
Yet, somehow, this is a higher value than the people who live and work in these areas.

How many people have died so that Spotted Owls might live? None? Then I don't understand your comment. What you really mean is that the law considers the survival of this species more important than the unrestricted access of private logging companies to land that belongs to the citizens of the United States.

Here is a slightly different description of the conservation of the Spotted Owl. From Wikipedia

Conservation
IUCN Red list status for the spotted owl is Near Threatened with a decreasing population trend.[1]

The northern spotted owl and Mexican spotted owl subspecies are listed as threatened in the United States under the Endangered Species Act (ESA), which is administered by the United States Fish and Wildlife Service (USFWS).[79] The California spotted owl is not considered to be threatened nor endangered by the USFWS. However, it is a species of special concern by the state of California and theUnited States Forest Service (USFS). The northern spotted owl was one of a few cases where the "God committee", a provision of the Endangered Species Act, has been invoked to decide whether or not to open up more federal forest for commercial logging.[80] In a battle between two federal agencies, the Bureau of Land Management and the Fish and Wildlife Service, the committee ruled for the exemption of 1700 acres to the ESA, potentially allowing the extinction of the species. Legal battle went on at different levels, creating a complex case study in environmental law.[81]

As of 2006 the northern spotted owl is in rapid decline with about a 50% annual population loss along the northern edge of its range (northern Washington state and south-western British Columbia). Fewer than 30 breeding pairs remained in British Columbia, and the species was expected to be extirpated from Canada within a few years.[82]

All subspecies of the spotted owl are often the subject of disagreement between conservationists and loggers, cattle grazers, developers, and other organizations whose activities can affect forest conservation. In February 2008, a federal judge reinforced a U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service decision to designate 8,600,000 acres (35,000 km2) in Arizona, Utah, Colorado and New Mexico as critical habitat for the owl. The decision had been challenged by the Arizona Cattle Growers' Association, but Judge Susan Bolton upheld the designation. According to the Center for Biological Diversity, "having critical habitat will ensure that U.S. Forest Service logging does not limit the bird's recovery or drive it into extinction."[83]
 
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Is the US short of arable land?

Soooooo....you don't believe (I almost said 'think') that 30% of the nation is enough for your pets?

Your previous post originally stated that 50% of the nation had been set aside.

And...is it really the aim of the eco-fascists?

Is what the aim and who do you describe as "eco-fascists"?

The whole thing is made up to trick fools like you!

Made up by whom? And in what way am I fooled?
  1. The Spotted Owl campaign [SNIP]
Yet, somehow, this is a higher value than the people who live and work in these areas.

How many people have died so that Spotted Owls might live? None? Then I don't understand your comment. What you really mean is that the law considers the survival of this species more important than the unrestricted access of private logging companies to land that belongs to the citizens of the United States.

Here is a slightly different description of the conservation of the Spotted Owl. From Wikipedia

Conservation
IUCN Red list status for the spotted owl is Near Threatened with a decreasing population trend.[1]

The northern spotted owl and Mexican spotted owl subspecies are listed as threatened in the United States under the Endangered Species Act (ESA), which is administered by the United States Fish and Wildlife Service (USFWS).[79] The California spotted owl is not considered to be threatened nor endangered by the USFWS. However, it is a species of special concern by the state of California and theUnited States Forest Service (USFS). The northern spotted owl was one of a few cases where the "God committee", a provision of the Endangered Species Act, has been invoked to decide whether or not to open up more federal forest for commercial logging.[80] In a battle between two federal agencies, the Bureau of Land Management and the Fish and Wildlife Service, the committee ruled for the exemption of 1700 acres to the ESA, potentially allowing the extinction of the species. Legal battle went on at different levels, creating a complex case study in environmental law.[81]

As of 2006 the northern spotted owl is in rapid decline with about a 50% annual population loss along the northern edge of its range (northern Washington state and south-western British Columbia). Fewer than 30 breeding pairs remained in British Columbia, and the species was expected to be extirpated from Canada within a few years.[82]

All subspecies of the spotted owl are often the subject of disagreement between conservationists and loggers, cattle grazers, developers, and other organizations whose activities can affect forest conservation. In February 2008, a federal judge reinforced a U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service decision to designate 8,600,000 acres (35,000 km2) in Arizona, Utah, Colorado and New Mexico as critical habitat for the owl. The decision had been challenged by the Arizona Cattle Growers' Association, but Judge Susan Bolton upheld the designation. According to the Center for Biological Diversity, "having critical habitat will ensure that U.S. Forest Service logging does not limit the bird's recovery or drive it into extinction."[83]





Deep down, bet you know you've been duped.

"In political jargon, useful idiot is a term for people perceived as propagandists for a cause whose goals they are not fully aware of, and who are used cynically by the leaders of the cause."
Useful idiot - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia


Got your "UI" card?
 
Soooooo....you don't believe (I almost said 'think') that 30% of the nation is enough for your pets?

Your previous post originally stated that 50% of the nation had been set aside.

And...is it really the aim of the eco-fascists?

Is what the aim and who do you describe as "eco-fascists"?

The whole thing is made up to trick fools like you!

Made up by whom? And in what way am I fooled?

  1. The Spotted Owl campaign [SNIP]
Yet, somehow, this is a higher value than the people who live and work in these areas.

How many people have died so that Spotted Owls might live? None? Then I don't understand your comment. What you really mean is that the law considers the survival of this species more important than the unrestricted access of private logging companies to land that belongs to the citizens of the United States.

Here is a slightly different description of the conservation of the Spotted Owl. From Wikipedia

See "Conservation" under Spotted owl - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Deep down, bet you know you've been duped.

What did you come to know "deep down" when you found yourself unable to answer any of the simply questions I posed to you above?

"In political jargon, useful idiot is a term for people perceived as propagandists for a cause whose goals they are not fully aware of, and who are used cynically by the leaders of the cause."
Useful idiot - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Got your "UI" card?

From Idiot - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
Idiot

An idiot, dolt, or dullard is an intellectually disabled person, or someone who acts in a self-defeating or significantly counterproductive way. Archaically the word mome has also been used. The similar terms moron, imbecile, and cretin have all gained specialized meanings in modern times. An idiot is said to be idiotic, and to suffer from idiocy. A dunce is an idiot who is specifically incapable of learning. An idiot differs from a fool (who is unwise) and an ignoramus(who is uneducated/an ignorant), neither of which refers to someone with low intelligence. In modern English usage, the terms "idiot" and "idiocy" describe an extreme folly or stupidity, and its symptoms (foolish or stupid utterance or deed). In psychology, it is a historical term for the state or condition now called profound intellectual disability.
 
Is the US short of arable land?



Soooooo....you don't believe (I almost said 'think') that 30% of the nation is enough for your pets?

And...is it really the aim of the eco-fascists?
The whole thing is made up to trick fools like you!

  1. The Spotted Owl campaign, as is so very many other environmental campaigns, a deceit. It is a way of advancing the real agenda, confiscating property, making land off-limit, and eliminating any human presence. No matter the cost. No matter the result.
  2. ā€œLook, I donā€™t doubt that the regulatory processed that we put in place to produce the environmental goods that we wan have taken a toll on the economy generally and the rural economy in particular. Telling the story that rural communities are being harmed may tug at the heartstrings of rural people, but no one else will care.
  3. You see, what the sage grouse is about is, they want to stop drilling in beautiful Wyoming. Thatā€™s the hidden agendaā€¦.Take the spotted owl caseā€¦.One of the people instrumental in shutting down th forests told me that ā€˜if the spotted owl hadnā€™t existed, we would have had to invent it.ā€™ The goal was to stop loggingā€¦.It is totally questionable whether owls were endangered by logging. Was it good for the overall health of the forest? Probably not. Was it good for the spotted owl? It probably didnā€™t make a difference. Did it hurt the overall economies of the West? Yes.ā€ Nickson, ā€œEco-Fascists,ā€ p.129. 4. Holly Fretwell is a Property and Environment Research Center (PERC): Senior Research Fellow, and an adjunct professor at Montana State University. She spent a year auditing the health Forest Serviceā€™s 446 million acres under it and the Bureau of Land Managementā€™s command. The effect of fifteen years of sequestration of public lands has been a disaster. Thinning, salvage harvesting, cleaning deadfall are expressly forbidden by environmentalists, the areas are considered by the Forrest Service itself to be in immediate danger of exploding in a once-in-a-millennium fire that would burn so hot that not only would the seeds in the soil die, but also the dirt itself would be burned to dust. Fretwell, ā€œWho is Minding the Federal Estate?ā€ p. 54. 5.ā€œThe spotted owl was dying anyway. First of all, its prey was being eaten by the larger barred owl, which had been moving west for the last hundred years, but its supposed natural habitat was dying. In eastern Oregon and Washingtonā€™s Blue Mountain forests. 6 million acres are dead and dying. The Shasta-Trinity National Forest- formally designated spotted owl habitat- has so much root rot that it is called the Valley of Death. One breeding pair remains.ā€ Nickson, Op. Cit., p.131.

Yet, somehow, this is a higher value than the people who live and work in these areas.





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Soooooo....you don't believe (I almost said 'think') that 30% of the nation is enough for your pets?

Your previous post originally stated that 50% of the nation had been set aside.

And...is it really the aim of the eco-fascists?

Is what the aim and who do you describe as "eco-fascists"?

The whole thing is made up to trick fools like you!

Made up by whom? And in what way am I fooled?

  1. The Spotted Owl campaign [SNIP]
Yet, somehow, this is a higher value than the people who live and work in these areas.

How many people have died so that Spotted Owls might live? None? Then I don't understand your comment. What you really mean is that the law considers the survival of this species more important than the unrestricted access of private logging companies to land that belongs to the citizens of the United States.

Here is a slightly different description of the conservation of the Spotted Owl. From Wikipedia

See "Conservation" under Spotted owl - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Deep down, bet you know you've been duped.

What did you come to know "deep down" when you found yourself unable to answer any of the simply questions I posed to you above?

"In political jargon, useful idiot is a term for people perceived as propagandists for a cause whose goals they are not fully aware of, and who are used cynically by the leaders of the cause."
Useful idiot - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Got your "UI" card?

From Idiot - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
Idiot

An idiot, dolt, or dullard is an intellectually disabled person, or someone who acts in a self-defeating or significantly counterproductive way. Archaically the word mome has also been used. The similar terms moron, imbecile, and cretin have all gained specialized meanings in modern times. An idiot is said to be idiotic, and to suffer from idiocy. A dunce is an idiot who is specifically incapable of learning. An idiot differs from a fool (who is unwise) and an ignoramus(who is uneducated/an ignorant), neither of which refers to someone with low intelligence. In modern English usage, the terms "idiot" and "idiocy" describe an extreme folly or stupidity, and its symptoms (foolish or stupid utterance or deed). In psychology, it is a historical term for the state or condition now called profound intellectual disability.

Lol....

Translation?

"Im getting schooled here in a public domain. Time to go into full on progressive berate the winners mode!":113::113:
 

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