Environmentalism: The "Greenist Insanity"

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    1.First and foremost.....don't mistake 'environmentalism,' or the 'Green Movement' for a science-based conservation movement. What it is is an amalgam of a bizarre pagan earth-worship religion, communism, and a governmental power grab.
    At the center, it sees mankind as a virus and a despoiler which must be controlled!

    The "Greenist Insanity" is a fairly new development in the world....and certainly not a good one. It is not the conservation movement of Theodore Roosevelt fame.


    a. Teddy Roosevelt, icon of conservation, along with his ideological soul-mate, Gifford Pinchot, head of the Division of Forestry (later the Forest Service), strongly believed in the preservation of forest lands. Their view of conservation saw waste as the problem…..not people. “He was a progressive who strongly believed in the efficiency movement. The most economically efficient use of natural resources was his goal; waste was his great enemy.” Gifford Pinchot - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

    b. TR and Pinchot did not intend to set aside forests for perpetual pristine preservation. Their conservation was anthropocentric, a very different concept from modern environmentalists. No, their aim was to set aside resources for future development, for profit, and for the benefit of the many: “The greatest good, for the greatest number, for the longest time” (the Utilitarianism of Jeremy Bentham).




    2. Now, to see an origin of the Insanity, there is Ernst Haeckel..." One spin-off of the Enlightenment was the desire to find new myths that would transcend daily existence and take one to a higher level of purification. Proto-fascist, and founder of ecology, Ernst Haeckel, invested nature-worship with the belief that all matter was alive and possessed mental attributes. In ‘monism,’ he brought together hostility to Christianity and propaganda for Darwinism, a nature cult and theories of hygiene and selective breeding.
    J.W. Burrow, “The Crisis of Reason: European Thought, 1848-1914,” p. 218-19




    3. Add a bit of red, Marxism, to the Greenists, and you have the modern environmentalist, and we have what has been called the 'Watermelon Movement'- green on the outside, red on the inside.

    a. When the Soviet Union fell, many fellow travelers migrated to the environmental movement. So much so, that the movement is often referred to as the ‘Watermelon Movement”: green on the outside, red on the inside.

    b. “Delingpole does an excellent job of cutting through he jargon and presenting the essentials. But where the book really shines is exposing the politics behind this manufactured crisis.”
    From a review of “Watermelons: The Green Movement's True Colors




    4. Any who dispute the central them is Marxism should consider that ending private property rights is the aim of both Marx and the Greenists.

    "a.. The UN Conference on Human Settlements – Vancouver Plan of Action – 1976
    This conference created the baseline for the UN’s viewpoint and future actions regarding individual property rights. See pdf page 2 [document page 28] under, Land – Preamble, for their stance on private property. This position is reflected in policies being enacted across the U.S. today. Agenda 21 American Policy Center Agenda 21 American Policy Center

    b. This, from the preamble of the UN Vancouver plan: " Land, because of its unique nature and the crucial role it plays in human settlements, cannot be treated as an ordinary asset, controlled by individuals and subject to the pressures and inefficiencies of the market. Private land ownership is also a principal instrument of accumulation and concentration of wealth and therefore contributes to social injustice; if unchecked, it may become a major obstacle in the planning and implementation of development schemes. "
    The Vancouver Action Plan. D. Land - A CONF.70 15 Chapter II - UN Documents Gathering a body of global agreements



    Environmentalism....it's comin' after capitalism.
     
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    You and Delingpole: both complete whack jobs.
     
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    Now..why is it that you were unable to posit a response which identified any errors in the OP?

    For clarity....is it because you are woefully inept....
    ...or, because everything in said post is 100% true and accurate?

    Both?
     
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    How does one commercially exploit the Grand Canyon?
     
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    I'm gonna have to check with Queequeg to interpret that post!
     
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    Do I really need to put up an argument to reject the idea that environmentalists are just left over communists? That environmentalism is evil?

    You and Delingpole, both complete whack jobs.
     
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    No...you don't "need to put up an argument."

    The point is that you have no such ability.


    And by doing your little tap-dance, you have revealed that the OP, while annoying to one whose 'education' source is government schooling, the OP is undeniable.
    As you have just shown.
     
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    The OP is fringe whack job rant. The environmental movement is filled with people that were infants when the Soviet Union fell. That Delingpole can contrive parallels between environmentalism and communism is meaningless. Given the sort of free reign of imagination of which Delingpole has made use, we could come up with parallels between communism and any group of people you'd care to identify. The core principles of environmentalism involve the protection and preservation of the environment in its natural state. They are NOT the core principles of communism: common ownership of the means of production and the elimination of social classes.

    That you could be convinced that they are, indicates a hostility towards environmentalism and a certain paranoia regarding communism on your part. Thus, I believe you must be a whack job.
     
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    "The OP is fringe whack job rant."

    Three times you've repeated the same vapid attack.


    Sad.

    The OP is supported by facts, notably with reference to Pinchot, Jeremy Bentham, a poignant quote from J.W. Burrow, and the actual statements of the communists at the United Nations saying exactly what Karl Mark preached about private property.


    So, we are not speaking simply of my opinions.

    Now, for you....
    I have always felt that the art of conversation is best served when all parties involved have some vague idea of what is being discussed.....but you appear to have been left out of the loop. Out of the loop since horses pulled milk carts.

    It is clear that what passes for education in your life is reading bumper-stickers and t-shirts.
     
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    5. The aim of the Greenists, is to end capitalism, lower the standard of living, abolish industry and profit-making, and, with the fervor of a religious faith, advance the worship Gaia, the Earth Mother.
    Of course this requires a totalitarian government that controls everything because, after all, the bureaucrats, technocrats, academic elites know best!

    a. " Greens demanded an end to economic growth and the idea that each generation can enjoy a higher standard of living than the previous one."
    "Wild in Woods: The Myth of the Noble Eco-Savage," by Robert Whelan, p. 21


    b. The following is the typical view of the elites:
    "It should be self-evident that attempts to maintain a constant rate of economic growth for more than a very limited time in a static ecology are doomed to failure."
    HRH The Duke of Edinburgh, 1988



    c. The Left never misses a chance to take a swing at religion, if it can combine it with the program: Greens continued to argue that the entire Western lifestyle was at fault, and that the problems could not be solved by tinkering with it at the margins. Western consumerism and industrialism were traced to the arrogance towards nature which was supposed to be the legacy of the Judeo-Christian tradition, in which man is seen as something apart from and superior to the rest of creation.
    See " The Historical Roots of Our Ecologic Crisis"
    The Historical Roots of Our Ecologic Crisis




    As stated earlier, 'environmentalism' is an amalgam of a bizarre pagan earth-worship religion, communism, and a governmental power grab.

    In short, insanity.
     

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