Environmental Stuff & Fluff

“In short, Chinese provinces are promoting construction of unneeded coal plants for precisely the same reason they are promoting every other kind of construction as well,” said Lauri Myllyvirta, Senior Global Campaigner at Greenpeace, “to boost economic activity in the short term, often with little regard for longer-term profitability or debt problems. There is generally no oversight or due diligence for obtaining finance for projects like this.”

China is ramping up capacity from wind and solar, which are rapidly displacing coal. Myllyvirta says existing coal plants are now operating at below 50 percent of capacity, with consequences for the mining sector. Facing an oversupply of cheap coal, Beijing aims to close 1,000 mines this year. As the national government draws down coal production, the response for coal-producing provinces has been to build more power plants.

“Some provinces with struggling coal mining industries can see locating coal plants in the province as a way to shift coal demand from other provinces – trying to grab a larger slice of a shrinking pie,” said Mylyvirta, “Of course, when everyone is doing it, no one gets much of a slice.”

Electricity producers have deployed a similar strategy. Explained Mylyvirta, “With every power plant being given roughly the same amount of operating hours, building more still grows your market share and revenue at the expense of others.” So far, the gains from building a new coal-fired power plant still outweigh the costs.

“With low coal prices, low-to-no-interest credit and tariffs regulated at a level that ensures profitability, there is an incentive to build more even if it makes no sense for the economy as a whole,” said Mylyvirta. “That’s why we’ve called it the problem of perverse incentive.”

Beijing is trying to keep the problem in check. China’s National Energy Administration has ordered 13 provincial governments to stop approving new coal-fired power plants and ordered 15 provinces to halt construction of coal-fired power plants that have already been approved

Why Is China Still Building New Coal Plants?

Politics as usual. And poor policy.
 
In 2011, solar panel company Solyndra defaulted on a $535 million loan guaranteed by the Department of Energy. The agency had a few other high-profile bankruptcies, too — electric car company Fisker and solar company Abound among them. But now that loan program has started turning a profit.

Overall, the agency has loaned $34.2 billion to a variety of businesses, under a program designed to speed up development of clean-energy technology. Companies have defaulted on $780 million of that — a loss rate of 2.28 percent. The agency also has collected $810 million in interest payments, putting the program $30 million in the black.

When Congress created the loan program under the Energy Policy Act of 2005, it was never designed to be a moneymaker. In fact, Congress imagined there would be losses and set aside $10 billion to cover them.

After Solyndra Loss, U.S. Energy Loan Program Turning A Profit

So, in spite of Solyndra, the Department of Energy has actually turned a profit. And helped create solar panels that can deliver electricity even cheaper than can dirty coal. Flanders, you are such a liar on every subject you turn to.
To Old Rocks: It is not only the solar energy frauds:

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LOL Well, the orange clown is taking office with the Dow at 19,827, and unemployment at 4.7%. We will see how he fares by the end of 2019.
 
God I gotta say.......talk about an epic opening salvo from an administration. Direct kick to the balls of the progressives when, by 12:05PM, the presidential website scraps climate change!! I mean.......how fucking funny is that?:deal::lmao::lmao::lmao:Essentially, this ENVIRONMENT forum has officially become a place to kick around some 6th grade pseudo-science theories.:popcorn:


Only thing that could have been better about yesterday.........would have been if Trump interrupted his speech in the middle and said, "Oh.....and message to the climate change k00ks......go right now and check the presidential website!!":rock::rofl::rofl:
 
LOL Well, the orange clown is taking office with the Dow at 19,827,
To Old Rocks: The stock market is nothing more than a gambling casino for absentee owners.

Popular myth says Wall Street’s collapse caused the Great Depression. Nevertheless, the little reputation Wall Street enjoyed was badly damaged in 1929. (Stock Market “results” used to be published on the same page as horse racing results.)

Stock traders were always crooks to be sure; nevertheless, the reputation Wall Street enjoys today is due to media and the S.E.C. The S.E.C. was established to keep Wall Street honest in the future. I don’t think I have to list the scandals, the thefts, the bailouts, etc. that went on right under the S.E.C.’s nose in recent years. At least taxpayers did not have to bailout the crooks in 1929.

Should Wall Street tank à la The Great Depression, the government will not solve the problem by willingly giving Americans more freedom of choice in their personal lives, nor will the government let private sector Americans out from under government control. Socialists/Communists running the government today will move to take freedoms away from the private sector just as Democrats did during the Great Depression.​

Wall Street’s Public Utilities
and unemployment at 4.7%
To Old Rocks: True unemployment is above 10 percent. The liar spent eight years lying about the “middle class” without distinguishing between the GOVERNMENT MIDDLE CLASS and THE PRIVATE SECTOR MIDDLE CLASS. The fact is that private sector unemployment is at 10 percent —— PERMANENTLY —— and due to increase so long as the welfare state is domestic policy.

Democrats know that socialism will continue to advance so long as Americans believe that less than five percent are permanently unemployed. The fact is: The number has been inching up incrementally since LBJ declared war on poverty.​

A Class Tax

Sadly, those who are supposed to inform the American people never tell the public the truth about unemployment so the lie about an improving economy goes unchallenged.

Only jobs where paychecks are issued by a government agency are listed as government jobs. So government-created jobs paid with tax dollars enslave the people forced to pay the salaries as well as enslaving the job recipients even though the paychecks are issued by a “private company.” Examples: Companies created by so-called renewable energy companies. In short: There is no unemployment among tax dollar “workers.”
 
Well, dumb fuck, solar and wind are hardly expensive for generating electricity.

World Energy Hits a Turning Point: Solar That's Cheaper Than Wind

World Energy Hits a Turning Point: Solar That's Cheaper Than Wind
Emerging markets are leapfrogging the developed world thanks to cheap panels.
by
Tom Randall
December 14, 2016, 10:00 PM PST December 14, 2016, 10:04 PM PST
A transformation is happening in global energy markets that’s worth noting as 2016 comes to an end: Solar power, for the first time, is becoming the cheapest form of new electricity.

This has happened in isolated projects in the past: an especially competitive auction in the Middle East, for example, resulting in record-cheap solar costs. But now unsubsidized solar is beginning to outcompete coal and natural gas on a larger scale, and notably, new solar projects in emerging markets are costing less to build than wind projects, according to fresh data from Bloomberg New Energy Finance.

The chart below shows the average cost of new wind and solar from 58 emerging-market economies, including China, India, and Brazil. While solar was bound to fall below wind eventually, given its steeper price declines, few predicted it would happen this soon.1
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“Solar investment has gone from nothing—literally nothing—like five years ago to quite a lot,” said Ethan Zindler, head of U.S. policy analysis at BNEF. “A huge part of this story is China, which has been rapidly deploying solar” and helping other countries finance their own projects.

Half the Price of Coal
This year has seen a remarkable run for solar power. Auctions, where private companies compete for massive contracts to provide electricity, established record after record for cheap solar power. It started with a contract in January to produce electricity for $64 per megawatt-hour in India; then a deal in August pegging $29.10 per megawatt hour in Chile. That’s record-cheap electricity—roughly half the price of competing coal power.

“Renewables are robustly entering the era of undercutting” fossil fuel prices, BNEF chairman Michael Liebreich said in a note to clients this week.
Bull Shit!

Remove the forced subsidy's given to wind and solar companies that are taken from coal and oil and their costs are 20X what fossil fuels are. Quit lying! Why do you spout this crap when you have been shown over and over it is a lie?

Better yet, lets just kill those subsidy's... Let the fools stand on their own! In short order they will fall because of the expense of upkeep and unreliability. Make these fools pay for the fossil fuel plants, which must run 24/7 in fast idle and take the load, when they fail. When they start paying their own way, your going to see them crash and burn in short order.
 
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LOL Well, the orange clown is taking office with the Dow at 19,827, and unemployment at 4.7%. We will see how he fares by the end of 2019.
Only a dufus like you would cite this lie as well. When we add in the 95.5 million people Obama put on welfare, by taking them out of the job market, makes the UE over 22%. Just because a man cant find work and runs out of UE benefits and forced on welfare (government handouts) does not mean they are worthless and useless. But the left wants to control them by keeping them dependent on the government. The forgotten men and women of this country spoke up with a loud voice, NO MORE! This lie and the others of AGW, which are control measures too, have been exposed and America wants no part of them.. Get the fuck over yourself!
 
LOL Well, the orange clown is taking office with the Dow at 19,827, and unemployment at 4.7%. We will see how he fares by the end of 2019.
Only a dufus like you would cite this lie as well. When we add in the 95.5 million people Obama put on welfare, by taking them out of the job market, makes the UE over 22%. Just because a man cant find work and runs out of UE benefits and forced on welfare (government handouts) does not mean they are worthless and useless. But the left wants to control them by keeping them dependent on the government. The forgotten men and women of this country spoke up with a loud voice, NO MORE! This lie and the others of AGW, which are control measures too, have been exposed and America wants no part of them.. Get the fuck over yourself!


You are exactly right.........the people saw the government kicking the door in on every aspect of their lives and said, "FUCK THIS!!"

And Im deliriously pleased!!:popcorn::rock::rock:
 
She's got a law degree. She's smarter than you at least. She's not posting politics on the environment page.
 
Only a dufus like you would cite this lie as well. When we add in the 95.5 million people Obama put on welfare, by taking them out of the job market, makes the UE over 22%. Just because a man cant find work and runs out of UE benefits and forced on welfare (government handouts) does not mean they are worthless and useless. But the left wants to control them by keeping them dependent on the government. The forgotten men and women of this country spoke up with a loud voice, NO MORE! This lie and the others of AGW, which are control measures too, have been exposed and America wants no part of them.. Get the fuck over yourself!

Those 95.5 million people... that's 30 % of the US population. The ENTIRE US population. 24% of the US population is under 18 and 15% is over 65. Let's take them from the mix because they shouldn't be looking for jobs. That makes Trump's number half the US population.

Do you REALLY believe that half of all able-bodied Americans are not only unemployed but have given up even looking for work? And this took place while the stock market has been averaging 12%/year throughout the Obama administration in the second longest bull market in US history.

Just how stupid are you Billy?
 

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