Entitlements must be cut drastically. Here's why...

[Bern80]

My Time at Walmart: Why We Need Serious Welfare Reform

I posted the above article containing rampant abuse of entitlement programs as an illustration of a fundamental difference in perception between liberals and conservatives when it comes to entitlement programs. What both sides agree on is that there isn't any thing wrong and government indeed should help those that truly can't help themselves or need a little TEMPORARY assistance. The difference between liberals and conservatives is of the people on welfare, how many of the aformentioned are there? Is it a majority of welfare system (programs like food stamps, WIC, unemployment insurance, etc.) collectors that truly can't do better in life or is it mainly moochers who are conciously incorrectly prioritizing? The fact is libs, it's the later as this case study shows. Our welfare rolls across the nation are filled predominantly with people who can, but will not help themselves. The system enables that behavior, it does not prevent it. All of our entitlement programs need to be cut drastically if we really want to prevent poverty in America as well as start cutting our debt.

 

[DiamondDave]

I keep it as simple as... they must be cut out, because it is not a constitutional charge of the government...

 

[Avatar4321]

And because we have no money

 

[Bfgrn]

My Time at Walmart: Why We Need Serious Welfare Reform

I posted the above article containing rampant abuse of entitlement programs as an illustration of a fundamental difference in perception between liberals and conservatives when it comes to entitlement programs. What both sides agree on is that there isn't any thing wrong and government indeed should help those that truly can't help themselves or need a little TEMPORARY assistance. The difference between liberals and conservatives is of the people on welfare, how many of the aformentioned are there? Is it a majority of welfare system (programs like food stamps, WIC, unemployment insurance, etc.) collectors that truly can't do better in life or is it mainly moochers who are conciously incorrectly prioritizing? The fact is libs, it's the later as this case study shows. Our welfare rolls across the nation are filled predominantly with people who can, but will not help themselves. The system enables that behavior, it does not prevent it. All of our entitlement programs need to be cut drastically if we really want to prevent poverty in America as well as start cutting our debt.

Bullshit Bern. Welfare was reformed by Clinton. The OP LIED about the man being on welfare her entire life.

 

[Mad Scientist]

Entitlement programs are nothing compared to the damage International Bankers are doing to our economy and dollar through Derivatives.

Student Loans: 1 Trillion
ObamaCare: 1 Trillion

Secret Federal Reserve Loans: 77 Trillion.

Total debt that Bankers want us to pay for: 1,500 Trillion.

 

[theHawk]

So many people abuse every welfare and entitlement system we have. Its all just a fucking joke now.

It all needs to be cut, 100%.

 

[ba1614]

Entitlement programs are nothing compared to the damage International Bankers are doing to our economy and dollar through Derivatives.

Student Loans: 1 Trillion
ObamaCare: 1 Trillion

Secret Federal Reserve Loans: 77 Trillion.

Total debt that Bankers want us to pay for: 1,500 Trillion.

Both need dealing with

 

[Jarhead]

So many people abuse every welfare and entitlement system we have. Its all just a fucking joke now.

It all needs to be cut, 100%.

But more people DON'T abuse every welfare and entitlement system we have.

So what about them?

 

[Bern80]

My Time at Walmart: Why We Need Serious Welfare Reform

I posted the above article containing rampant abuse of entitlement programs as an illustration of a fundamental difference in perception between liberals and conservatives when it comes to entitlement programs. What both sides agree on is that there isn't any thing wrong and government indeed should help those that truly can't help themselves or need a little TEMPORARY assistance. The difference between liberals and conservatives is of the people on welfare, how many of the aformentioned are there? Is it a majority of welfare system (programs like food stamps, WIC, unemployment insurance, etc.) collectors that truly can't do better in life or is it mainly moochers who are conciously incorrectly prioritizing? The fact is libs, it's the later as this case study shows. Our welfare rolls across the nation are filled predominantly with people who can, but will not help themselves. The system enables that behavior, it does not prevent it. All of our entitlement programs need to be cut drastically if we really want to prevent poverty in America as well as start cutting our debt.

Bullshit Bern. Welfare was reformed by Clinton. The OP LIED about the man being on welfare her entire life.

He reformed it. He didn't create it. Thus it is completely possible that he had been on welfare that long.

 

[Mr. Peepers]

Sorry, you selfish assholes. We are in severely bad economic times, yes, caused by Reagan's "trickle down" bullshit and the banks' shenanigans. We lost 2.3 MILLION jobs just to China alone during just a tiny portion of shrub's glorious reign (2001-2003). The firsrt thing that should be cut is the billions upon billions of dollars given out as corporate welfare. No company making billions in profit should be receiving ANY tax breaks of ANY kind, nor subsidies of ANY kind. This war on the needy who are TRULY STRUGGLING is really pissing me off. It's time we put people before corporate interests for a change. God, what has this country become???

 

[kaz]

Entitlement programs are nothing compared to the damage International Bankers are doing to our economy and dollar through Derivatives.

Student Loans: 1 Trillion
ObamaCare: 1 Trillion

Secret Federal Reserve Loans: 77 Trillion.

Total debt that Bankers want us to pay for: 1,500 Trillion.

Liberal math. It has no function in reality other then rationalizing that socialism works because real math doesn't show that.

 

[Bern80]

So many people abuse every welfare and entitlement system we have. Its all just a fucking joke now.

It all needs to be cut, 100%.

But more people DON'T abuse every welfare and entitlement system we have.

So what about them?

That's the point I'm trying to get across. The above simply isn't true Jarhead. The system has more people that abuse it and refuse to better themselves than people who truly can't help themselves or are only in need of temporary assistance.

I would not go so far as to say all of safety net programs need to be eliminated. The argument by DiamondDave that these programs are unconstitutinal doesn't quite hold up because many of the programs are state, not federal programs and the states have the right to handle that issue how they see fit. I would agree that any federal safety net programs need to be elimintated as they are not constitutional.

 

[Jarhead]

Sorry, you selfish assholes. We are in severely bad economic times, yes, caused by Reagan's "trickle down" bullshit and the banks' shenanigans. We lost 2.3 MILLION jobs just to China alone during just a tiny portion of shrub's glorious reign (2001-2003). The firsrt thing that should be cut is the billions upon billions of dollars given out as corporate welfare. No company making billions in profit should be receiving ANY tax breaks of ANY kind, nor subsidies of ANY kind. This war on the needy who are TRULY STRUGGLING is really pissing me off. It's time we put people before corporate interests for a change. God, what has this country become???

this is not a thread about those that need assistance...it is a thread about those that abuse the entitlement system.

 

[Mr. Peepers]

this is not a thread about those that need assistance...it is a thread about those that abuse the entitlement system.

Funny, you don't seem to know the difference. I would bet you everything that there are more millionaires and billionaires gaming the "system" - and for a shit-ton more money, than the entire population of people on what you refer to as "welfare".

 

[Jarhead]

So many people abuse every welfare and entitlement system we have. Its all just a fucking joke now.

It all needs to be cut, 100%.

But more people DON'T abuse every welfare and entitlement system we have.

So what about them?

That's the point I'm trying to get across. The above simply isn't true Jarhead. The system has more people that abuse it and refuse to better themselves than people who truly can't help themselves or are only in need of temporary assistance.

I would not go so far as to say all of safety net programs need to be eliminated. The argument by DiamondDave that these programs are unconstitutinal doesn't quite hold up because many of the programs are state, not federal programs and the states have the right to handle that issue how they see fit. I would agree that any federal safety net programs need to be elimintated.

Not being adversarial...I really dont know the answer myself...

But are you sure there are more ABUSING the system than those that are not abusing the system?

I ask as in my industry I am directly connected to the proper uses AND abuses of the unemployment insurance system....and I have found that about 1 in 3 are milking the system while 2 of 3 are doing all they can to get off of unemployment.

 

[Jarhead]

this is not a thread about those that need assistance...it is a thread about those that abuse the entitlement system.

Funny, you don't seem to know the difference. I would bet you everything that there are more millionaires and billionaires gaming the "system" - and for a shit-ton more money, than the entire population of people on what you refer to as "welfare".

get off of your soapbox and take a look at my post number 8.....

You dont know nearly as much as you think you know.

 

[Ravi]

Nothing says Christmas like hating on the poor.

 

[ba1614]

Sorry, you selfish assholes. We are in severely bad economic times, yes, caused by Reagan's "trickle down" bullshit and the banks' shenanigans. We lost 2.3 MILLION jobs just to China alone during just a tiny portion of shrub's glorious reign (2001-2003). The firsrt thing that should be cut is the billions upon billions of dollars given out as corporate welfare. No company making billions in profit should be receiving ANY tax breaks of ANY kind, nor subsidies of ANY kind. This war on the needy who are TRULY STRUGGLING is really pissing me off. It's time we put people before corporate interests for a change. God, what has this country become???

oh boo fucking hoo,

 

[Jarhead]

Nothing says Christmas like hating on the poor.

we are discussing those that have found a way to seem poor in the eyes of governemnt, but are not living a poor persons life.

People like that ruin it for those that truly need the help.

 

[Mr. Peepers]

get off of your soapbox and take a look at my post number 8.....

You dont know nearly as much as you think you know.

I obviously know more than you. Read a book once in a while that isn't shouty untruths and conervative screed. Why don't you read up on what the corn subsidies are doing to our farmers, our health, and our environment. Read up on the surge in farmers' suicides and what those subsidies are doing to the land. Read up on where the profits from those subsidies GO. Read up on the profits of the ones who solely benefit from those subsidies. Then come back and crow about yanking the safety net out from under those that already have NOTHING. I won't even get started on the banks...