End NATO

[Doc1]

All we need is the UN to make the World work. A good assassination squad to keep it all in line. What we don't need are US Troops on foreign soils. They should all be recalled and stop the insanity.

Somebody is watching WAY too many movies.

 

[FA_Q2]

Did none of you notice that this thread is OVER 6 years old?

 

[Manonthestreet]

The world needs NATO's strength and leadership now more than ever before," Pence said, calling for "immediate and steady progress" in defense spending among member countries.

somebody needs to get on the same damn page ...

Be nice if members actually agreed and showed it. UK obviously doesnt.

 

[Dschrute3]

NATO is obsolete. It became obsolete when the Cold War ended. And that's exactly why it's desperately trying to start another one with Russia. NATO has become an aggressor in the world. It's not a 'Defensive' entity anymore. Just look at Libya for example. Libya was obviously no threat to Western Europe or the US. Yet NATO attacked anyway.

It's an aggressor now. It's run out of credible threats, so now it's creating conflicts. It should be disbanded, but the Globalist powers-that-be aren't gonna allow it. They're just about set to have their new Cold War with Russia. The massive Taxpayer cash is about to roll in. Does anyone seriously think it isn't about that? Sadly, NATO is here to stay. It is what it is.

 

[Manonthestreet]

NATO is obsolete. It became obsolete when the Cold War ended. And that's exactly why it's desperately trying to start another one with Russia. NATO has become an aggressor in the world. It's not a 'Defensive' entity anymore. Just look at Libya for example. Libya was obviously no threat to Western Europe or the US. Yet NATO attacked anyway.

It's an aggressor now. It's run out of credible threats, so now it's creating conflicts. It should be disbanded, but the Globalist powers-that-be aren't gonna allow it. They're just about set to have their new Cold War with Russia. The massive Taxpayer cash is about to roll in. Does anyone seriously think it isn't about that? Sadly, NATO is here to stay. It is what it is.

Only ability NATO has to aggress is US,

 

[yiostheoy]

If you are going to start a gang you don't want to be the tough guy with a bunch of midgets!

Dissolve NATO and start the an Alliance built on Strength and Common Interests. Democracy, Capitalism, Christianity/Catholicism based countries, Rich Industrialized nations which strong economies, strong military and view the Islamofacist threat as real!

Current NATO membership:
Albania, Belgium, Bulgaria, Canada, Croatia, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Turkey, the United Kingdom, and the United States.

Besides Canada, Germany and the UK none do anything for US. That is a list of virgin States (and yes Ekrem one tough, but Islamofacist State). I say dissolve it. Start one with Russia, Canada, Germany, UK, Brazil, Australia and the United States!

That is an alliance to fear, not NATO. Countries view NATO as American (and the UK) and not much else!

The USA should have dissolved NATO when Yeltsin took over and US-Russian relations were at an all time high.

Now is a bit late, but better late than never.

NATO was formed to protect against Stalin, who was colonizing Eastern Europe at the time.

While Putin has been reinforcing his Black Sea presence and fleet against NATO incursion into Ukraine, I don't see Putin as a real threat against Europe.

A better Atlantic treaty would be among the USA, Canada, Iceland, Scandinavia, and Denmark.

The Europeans should be on their own. They have taken advantage of the USA for the past 70 years with NATO.

The USA should get out of Europe and return to being a naval power like the British.

An American land army in Europe is merely a sitting duck against the Russians, who have more tanks and arty there already than anyone on this Earth.

Diplomacy is the key to good relations between the USA and Russia.

 

[yiostheoy]

UN assassination squads? This is better how?

20 trained assassins can do ............ what 4,000 dead troops, 10,000 maimed disabled troops, 1/2 million dead civilians, Trillions of dollars in military waste and damaged infrastructure,......... in a few months, working independently, for a million or less.

The ficticious capabilities and resourcefulness displayed by Jason Bourne are very different to that of a "trained assassin", or in more realistic terms, former special forces member working as a deep-cover asset. Hollywood has more room to manoeuvre than that of a hired killer working for the state, and isn't working from a script.

My advice to you, shintao, would be to stop basing your expectations of men on the works of Robert Ludlum and allow some reality into your view of the world.

Seriously, get a grip.

Most people don't realize how difficult orchestrating an assassination is.

The two Korean babes (ethnic Vietnamese) who just recently assassinated the bro-in-law of Kim, Jong-UUn (my spell checker forces me to use two U's there) show how ingenious an assassin must be to reach out and touch somebody and kill them.

Pretty Asian girlies make great assassins.

 

[yiostheoy]

We tried assasination. Ask Castro how it worked.

We don't need the UN, not at all. If something needs to get done, and we need our allies to help, they will come with or with out the UN.

But one correction on the OP.

Poland, Poland has our back, right or wrong, they back us w/o question.

I can't recall the name of the city. but the have a celebration to Thank American soldiers on the day they were liberated. If a Vet from that time returns he get idolised by children, if a todays Soldier shows up in uniform? He gets mobbed by people begging for an autograph.

Fuck Russia, Give me a "dumb Pollock" any day of the week.

The problem with Poland as an ally is that they are in an awful location.

There is not much the USA can ever do for Poland.

If we post an army there it would be sitting ducks for the Russians.

About the only thing that I can think of that would effectively protect Poland from Russia is a string of tactical nuclear artillery facing east.

They can buy the nukes from the USA or Israel.

They can buy the arty from us or Israel too.

 

[Dschrute3]

NATO is obsolete. It became obsolete when the Cold War ended. And that's exactly why it's desperately trying to start another one with Russia. NATO has become an aggressor in the world. It's not a 'Defensive' entity anymore. Just look at Libya for example. Libya was obviously no threat to Western Europe or the US. Yet NATO attacked anyway.

It's an aggressor now. It's run out of credible threats, so now it's creating conflicts. It should be disbanded, but the Globalist powers-that-be aren't gonna allow it. They're just about set to have their new Cold War with Russia. The massive Taxpayer cash is about to roll in. Does anyone seriously think it isn't about that? Sadly, NATO is here to stay. It is what it is.

Only ability NATO has to aggress is US,

It's clearly no longer a 'Defensive' organization. There haven't been any credible threats to Western Europe and the US for years. Once the Cold War ended, so did the credible threats. And that's why it's getting set to start another Cold War with Russia. It desperately needs that big Boogeyman threat.

But obviously Russia is no threat to Europe or the US. Russia's being way over-hyped and demonized. It just doesn't have the military and economic might to take on Western Europe and the US. But the Globalist Elites wanted their new Cold War, and now they're gonna get it. The massive Taxpayer cash should start rolling in again. And that's what it's all about.

 

[Manonthestreet]

Now go read the posts above detailing UK armed forces......cant defend themselves much less attack anything

 

[brummelben]

NATO is obsolete. It became obsolete when the Cold War ended. And that's exactly why it's desperately trying to start another one with Russia. NATO has become an aggressor in the world. It's not a 'Defensive' entity anymore. Just look at Libya for example. Libya was obviously no threat to Western Europe or the US. Yet NATO attacked anyway.

It's an aggressor now. It's run out of credible threats, so now it's creating conflicts. It should be disbanded, but the Globalist powers-that-be aren't gonna allow it. They're just about set to have their new Cold War with Russia. The massive Taxpayer cash is about to roll in. Does anyone seriously think it isn't about that? Sadly, NATO is here to stay. It is what it is.

Only ability NATO has to aggress is US,

It's clearly no longer a 'Defensive' organization. There haven't been any credible threats to Western Europe and the US for years. Once the Cold War ended, so did the credible threats. And that's why it's getting set to start another Cold War with Russia. It desperately needs that big Boogeyman threat.

But obviously Russia is no threat to Europe or the US. Russia's being way over-hyped and demonized. It just doesn't have the military and economic might to take on Western Europe and the US. But the Globalist Elites wanted their new Cold War, and now they're gonna get it. The massive Taxpayer cash should start rolling in again. And that's what it's all about.

Russia spends about 1/10 of what we do on defense, but they are extremely efficient and dangerous. Without NATO they would become another USSR.

 

[Manonthestreet]

NATO is obsolete. It became obsolete when the Cold War ended. And that's exactly why it's desperately trying to start another one with Russia. NATO has become an aggressor in the world. It's not a 'Defensive' entity anymore. Just look at Libya for example. Libya was obviously no threat to Western Europe or the US. Yet NATO attacked anyway.

It's an aggressor now. It's run out of credible threats, so now it's creating conflicts. It should be disbanded, but the Globalist powers-that-be aren't gonna allow it. They're just about set to have their new Cold War with Russia. The massive Taxpayer cash is about to roll in. Does anyone seriously think it isn't about that? Sadly, NATO is here to stay. It is what it is.

Only ability NATO has to aggress is US,

It's clearly no longer a 'Defensive' organization. There haven't been any credible threats to Western Europe and the US for years. Once the Cold War ended, so did the credible threats. And that's why it's getting set to start another Cold War with Russia. It desperately needs that big Boogeyman threat.

But obviously Russia is no threat to Europe or the US. Russia's being way over-hyped and demonized. It just doesn't have the military and economic might to take on Western Europe and the US. But the Globalist Elites wanted their new Cold War, and now they're gonna get it. The massive Taxpayer cash should start rolling in again. And that's what it's all about.

Russia spends about 1/10 of what we do on defense, but they are extremely efficient and dangerous. Without NATO they would become another USSR.

They dont pay huge mark ups for equip Trump is trying to reign in

 

[brummelben]

NATO is obsolete. It became obsolete when the Cold War ended. And that's exactly why it's desperately trying to start another one with Russia. NATO has become an aggressor in the world. It's not a 'Defensive' entity anymore. Just look at Libya for example. Libya was obviously no threat to Western Europe or the US. Yet NATO attacked anyway.

It's an aggressor now. It's run out of credible threats, so now it's creating conflicts. It should be disbanded, but the Globalist powers-that-be aren't gonna allow it. They're just about set to have their new Cold War with Russia. The massive Taxpayer cash is about to roll in. Does anyone seriously think it isn't about that? Sadly, NATO is here to stay. It is what it is.

Only ability NATO has to aggress is US,

It's clearly no longer a 'Defensive' organization. There haven't been any credible threats to Western Europe and the US for years. Once the Cold War ended, so did the credible threats. And that's why it's getting set to start another Cold War with Russia. It desperately needs that big Boogeyman threat.

But obviously Russia is no threat to Europe or the US. Russia's being way over-hyped and demonized. It just doesn't have the military and economic might to take on Western Europe and the US. But the Globalist Elites wanted their new Cold War, and now they're gonna get it. The massive Taxpayer cash should start rolling in again. And that's what it's all about.

Russia spends about 1/10 of what we do on defense, but they are extremely efficient and dangerous. Without NATO they would become another USSR.

They dont pay huge mark ups for equip Trump is trying to reign in

Trump is not reigning in anything. He wants to raise the defense budget another 10%.

 

[Manonthestreet]

NATO is obsolete. It became obsolete when the Cold War ended. And that's exactly why it's desperately trying to start another one with Russia. NATO has become an aggressor in the world. It's not a 'Defensive' entity anymore. Just look at Libya for example. Libya was obviously no threat to Western Europe or the US. Yet NATO attacked anyway.

It's an aggressor now. It's run out of credible threats, so now it's creating conflicts. It should be disbanded, but the Globalist powers-that-be aren't gonna allow it. They're just about set to have their new Cold War with Russia. The massive Taxpayer cash is about to roll in. Does anyone seriously think it isn't about that? Sadly, NATO is here to stay. It is what it is.

Only ability NATO has to aggress is US,

It's clearly no longer a 'Defensive' organization. There haven't been any credible threats to Western Europe and the US for years. Once the Cold War ended, so did the credible threats. And that's why it's getting set to start another Cold War with Russia. It desperately needs that big Boogeyman threat.

But obviously Russia is no threat to Europe or the US. Russia's being way over-hyped and demonized. It just doesn't have the military and economic might to take on Western Europe and the US. But the Globalist Elites wanted their new Cold War, and now they're gonna get it. The massive Taxpayer cash should start rolling in again. And that's what it's all about.

Russia spends about 1/10 of what we do on defense, but they are extremely efficient and dangerous. Without NATO they would become another USSR.

They dont pay huge mark ups for equip Trump is trying to reign in

I also doubt their figures and Chinese are entirely accurate either....nothing like rope a doping your opponent into spending less cause see look how little we spend crap

 

[Doc1]

NATO is obsolete. It became obsolete when the Cold War ended. And that's exactly why it's desperately trying to start another one with Russia. NATO has become an aggressor in the world. It's not a 'Defensive' entity anymore. Just look at Libya for example. Libya was obviously no threat to Western Europe or the US. Yet NATO attacked anyway.

It's an aggressor now. It's run out of credible threats, so now it's creating conflicts. It should be disbanded, but the Globalist powers-that-be aren't gonna allow it. They're just about set to have their new Cold War with Russia. The massive Taxpayer cash is about to roll in. Does anyone seriously think it isn't about that? Sadly, NATO is here to stay. It is what it is.

Only ability NATO has to aggress is US,

It's clearly no longer a 'Defensive' organization. There haven't been any credible threats to Western Europe and the US for years. Once the Cold War ended, so did the credible threats. And that's why it's getting set to start another Cold War with Russia. It desperately needs that big Boogeyman threat.

But obviously Russia is no threat to Europe or the US. Russia's being way over-hyped and demonized. It just doesn't have the military and economic might to take on Western Europe and the US. But the Globalist Elites wanted their new Cold War, and now they're gonna get it. The massive Taxpayer cash should start rolling in again. And that's what it's all about.

Russia spends about 1/10 of what we do on defense, but they are extremely efficient and dangerous. Without NATO they would become another USSR.

They dont pay huge mark ups for equip Trump is trying to reign in

Trump is not reigning in anything. He wants to raise the defense budget another 10%.

We'll cut your welfare payments to make up for it.

 

[Manonthestreet]

NATO is obsolete. It became obsolete when the Cold War ended. And that's exactly why it's desperately trying to start another one with Russia. NATO has become an aggressor in the world. It's not a 'Defensive' entity anymore. Just look at Libya for example. Libya was obviously no threat to Western Europe or the US. Yet NATO attacked anyway.

It's an aggressor now. It's run out of credible threats, so now it's creating conflicts. It should be disbanded, but the Globalist powers-that-be aren't gonna allow it. They're just about set to have their new Cold War with Russia. The massive Taxpayer cash is about to roll in. Does anyone seriously think it isn't about that? Sadly, NATO is here to stay. It is what it is.

Only ability NATO has to aggress is US,

It's clearly no longer a 'Defensive' organization. There haven't been any credible threats to Western Europe and the US for years. Once the Cold War ended, so did the credible threats. And that's why it's getting set to start another Cold War with Russia. It desperately needs that big Boogeyman threat.

But obviously Russia is no threat to Europe or the US. Russia's being way over-hyped and demonized. It just doesn't have the military and economic might to take on Western Europe and the US. But the Globalist Elites wanted their new Cold War, and now they're gonna get it. The massive Taxpayer cash should start rolling in again. And that's what it's all about.

Russia spends about 1/10 of what we do on defense, but they are extremely efficient and dangerous. Without NATO they would become another USSR.

They dont pay huge mark ups for equip Trump is trying to reign in

Trump is not reigning in anything. He wants to raise the defense budget another 10%.

Reigning in obscene profit off AF 2 f-35 and more to follow...try to read eh

 

[brummelben]

Only ability NATO has to aggress is US,

It's clearly no longer a 'Defensive' organization. There haven't been any credible threats to Western Europe and the US for years. Once the Cold War ended, so did the credible threats. And that's why it's getting set to start another Cold War with Russia. It desperately needs that big Boogeyman threat.

But obviously Russia is no threat to Europe or the US. Russia's being way over-hyped and demonized. It just doesn't have the military and economic might to take on Western Europe and the US. But the Globalist Elites wanted their new Cold War, and now they're gonna get it. The massive Taxpayer cash should start rolling in again. And that's what it's all about.

Russia spends about 1/10 of what we do on defense, but they are extremely efficient and dangerous. Without NATO they would become another USSR.

They dont pay huge mark ups for equip Trump is trying to reign in

Trump is not reigning in anything. He wants to raise the defense budget another 10%.

We'll cut your welfare payments to make up for it.

Instead of trying to make our defense department more efficient, his answer is to spend more. We dont need to spend more, we need to spend less

 

[brummelben]

Only ability NATO has to aggress is US,

It's clearly no longer a 'Defensive' organization. There haven't been any credible threats to Western Europe and the US for years. Once the Cold War ended, so did the credible threats. And that's why it's getting set to start another Cold War with Russia. It desperately needs that big Boogeyman threat.

But obviously Russia is no threat to Europe or the US. Russia's being way over-hyped and demonized. It just doesn't have the military and economic might to take on Western Europe and the US. But the Globalist Elites wanted their new Cold War, and now they're gonna get it. The massive Taxpayer cash should start rolling in again. And that's what it's all about.

Russia spends about 1/10 of what we do on defense, but they are extremely efficient and dangerous. Without NATO they would become another USSR.

They dont pay huge mark ups for equip Trump is trying to reign in

Trump is not reigning in anything. He wants to raise the defense budget another 10%.

Reigning in obscene profit off AF 2 f-35 and more to follow...try to read eh

not happening

 

[Dschrute3]

NATO is obsolete. It became obsolete when the Cold War ended. And that's exactly why it's desperately trying to start another one with Russia. NATO has become an aggressor in the world. It's not a 'Defensive' entity anymore. Just look at Libya for example. Libya was obviously no threat to Western Europe or the US. Yet NATO attacked anyway.

It's an aggressor now. It's run out of credible threats, so now it's creating conflicts. It should be disbanded, but the Globalist powers-that-be aren't gonna allow it. They're just about set to have their new Cold War with Russia. The massive Taxpayer cash is about to roll in. Does anyone seriously think it isn't about that? Sadly, NATO is here to stay. It is what it is.

Only ability NATO has to aggress is US,

It's clearly no longer a 'Defensive' organization. There haven't been any credible threats to Western Europe and the US for years. Once the Cold War ended, so did the credible threats. And that's why it's getting set to start another Cold War with Russia. It desperately needs that big Boogeyman threat.

But obviously Russia is no threat to Europe or the US. Russia's being way over-hyped and demonized. It just doesn't have the military and economic might to take on Western Europe and the US. But the Globalist Elites wanted their new Cold War, and now they're gonna get it. The massive Taxpayer cash should start rolling in again. And that's what it's all about.

Russia spends about 1/10 of what we do on defense, but they are extremely efficient and dangerous. Without NATO they would become another USSR.

It's not even close. Russia spends about $50 Billion annually on its Military. The US alone, spends $800 Billion annually. The US has 700 bases worldwide. Russia has only 3. It's a huge mismatch. Russia couldn't possibly win a conflict with the US. The 'threat' has been ridiculously over-hyped.

It's all about NATO becoming an aggressor and continuing its massive Taxpayer funding. Without a big bad Boogeyman like Russia, it would be very difficult for NATO to justify the massive funding and aggression.

 

[brummelben]

NATO is obsolete. It became obsolete when the Cold War ended. And that's exactly why it's desperately trying to start another one with Russia. NATO has become an aggressor in the world. It's not a 'Defensive' entity anymore. Just look at Libya for example. Libya was obviously no threat to Western Europe or the US. Yet NATO attacked anyway.

It's an aggressor now. It's run out of credible threats, so now it's creating conflicts. It should be disbanded, but the Globalist powers-that-be aren't gonna allow it. They're just about set to have their new Cold War with Russia. The massive Taxpayer cash is about to roll in. Does anyone seriously think it isn't about that? Sadly, NATO is here to stay. It is what it is.

Only ability NATO has to aggress is US,

It's clearly no longer a 'Defensive' organization. There haven't been any credible threats to Western Europe and the US for years. Once the Cold War ended, so did the credible threats. And that's why it's getting set to start another Cold War with Russia. It desperately needs that big Boogeyman threat.

But obviously Russia is no threat to Europe or the US. Russia's being way over-hyped and demonized. It just doesn't have the military and economic might to take on Western Europe and the US. But the Globalist Elites wanted their new Cold War, and now they're gonna get it. The massive Taxpayer cash should start rolling in again. And that's what it's all about.

Russia spends about 1/10 of what we do on defense, but they are extremely efficient and dangerous. Without NATO they would become another USSR.

It's not even close. Russia spends about $50 Billion annually on its Military. The US alone, spends $800 Billion annually. The US has 700 bases worldwide. Russia has only 3. It's a huge mismatch. Russia couldn't possibly win a conflict with the US. The 'threat' has been ridiculously over-hyped.

It's all about NATO becoming an aggressor and continuing its massive Taxpayer funding. Without a big bad Boogeyman like Russia, it would be very difficult for NATO to justify the massive funding and interventions.

No one is going to "win", with over 1500 Russian nuclear devises, we are all going to lose