Emergency Room Usage is Way Up in Medicaid Expansion States

[Rikurzhen]

Why is anyone surprised that there was a backlog of people needing medical care prior to the enactment of the ACA that is now finally receiving the treatment that they need to survive?

This was predicted given that there were millions who were uninsured. Needless to say this will probably decline as the backlog is eventually cleared.

In the past, those people went without or, if they were very lucky, got some degree of care from the volunteer clinics.

Bottom line here is that America should be taking care of Americans. Sadly, in the states where Rs are in power, the people are still doing without.

Bullshit. If some person arrives here legally from Botswana he may be an American in the legal sense but he's nothing to me. On Monday he's in Botswana and on Tuesday he's in New York. My duty to this person hasn't changed.

I have a form of duty to my community where we all share the same values, where we all cover each other's back, where we all say "but for the grace of god, there go I." There has to be something backing that duty other than the Feds saying "This here guy is now an American and you all owe him a duty."

Secondly, it would help your argument immensely if we didn't see Democrats showing more duty to illegal infiltrators than to American citizens. Deport those 20 million illegal infiltrators because we don't owe a duty to them. They cost us money. Take that saved money and spend in on Americans who you say we owe a duty to. Do that and you make me believe a little bit more that you actually mean what you say about duty.

Bet yer a christian.

And I KNOW you're an

I'm not a Christian and I'm the asshole which is going to continually block your socialist power grab.

 

[Rozman]

I thought when the 48 million that did not have coverage and would use the ER as a primary source for HC got OCare this would end?

 

[Luddly Neddite]

I thought when the 48 million that did not have coverage and would use the ER as a primary source for HC got OCare this would end?

As usual, you're confused.

This thread is about MEDICAID.

 

[Tom Sweetnam]

Piffle. There's no reason why it should.

You're aware that "osteopaths" make up 40% of "doctors" in California now? When other quacks like faith healers, chiropractors, aroma healers, aura healers, ginseng gurus, tea leaf readers, and insurance company interlopers make up another 40% of "wellness professionals" in America, we're going to be in deep shit.

But all these quacks and "celebrity" experts on things like not giving kids inoculations against polio, plague, and smallpox, or handing them over to predatory queers, gain a voice in our popular culture because just like the ratio aforementioned, 40% of our society consists of malleable morons; just the kind of people the left depends on for its political existence.

 

[pismoe]

think its a good post and interesting thoughts Tom . Hard to believe but if your info is accurate then its pretty awful !! I never heard of an osteopath and what they did before but they sound like quacks to me .

 

[Tom Sweetnam]

think its a good post and interesting thoughts Tom . Hard to believe but if your info is accurate then its pretty awful !! I never heard of an osteopath and what they did before but they sound like quacks to me .

They are quacks, but all the geriatric hippies gave them credence because they generally shy away from pharmaceutical treatment of sickness as much as possible. They depend on "whole wellness" and other meaningless new age tags. Most osteopathic colleges are in some podunk locale you've never heard of, and they have no training hospitals as adjunct.

MD's spend a minimum of 8 years in university and up to five years beyond that depending on specialty. Osteopaths spend no more than four years in quack college before they're turned loose on society to do their worst. Use them at your own risk. Always, always, always check the academic credentials of any doctor you've been referred to for treatment.


********************MY FELLOW ANIMAL LOVERS, PLEASE TAKE NOTE*****************


Osteopathic veterinarians are out there as well, and they're getting more abundant. Please check your veterinarian's academic credentials before you entrust your beloved critters to them. Make sure they graduated from an accredited veterinary college and not some osteopathic school of quackery. Veterinarians in the US should have spent 7 years in university and another year as resident. Check them out. Never be afraid to ask.

 

[Rikurzhen]

think its a good post and interesting thoughts Tom . Hard to believe but if your info is accurate then its pretty awful !! I never heard of an osteopath and what they did before but they sound like quacks to me .

But remember, it's conservatives who are anti-science. Liberals believe that astrology is science, they're big into healing crystals, they're big into all this natural healing BS, etc. and they have a self-image of being scientifically enlightened people.

 

[Politico]

Aren't they responsible for it?

No you are.

 

[Derideo_Te]

Why is anyone surprised that there was a backlog of people needing medical care prior to the enactment of the ACA that is now finally receiving the treatment that they need to survive?

This was predicted given that there were millions who were uninsured. Needless to say this will probably decline as the backlog is eventually cleared.

You and your constant invocations of faith.

Oh what a surprise, I now have a crazy theist stalker!

 

[Rikurzhen]

Why is anyone surprised that there was a backlog of people needing medical care prior to the enactment of the ACA that is now finally receiving the treatment that they need to survive?

This was predicted given that there were millions who were uninsured. Needless to say this will probably decline as the backlog is eventually cleared.

You and your constant invocations of faith.

Oh what a surprise, I now have a crazy theist stalker!

Look, I'm arguing against a teen-age girl. What, no new Justin Bieber news for you and now you're bored so you're making up imaginary stories about me stalking you?

 

[Derideo_Te]

Here are the FACTS about ER usage following RomneyCare.

ER usage initially spiked in order to deal with the BACKLOG and eventually settled down at a LOWER level than before. Same applied to Oregon.

Massachusetts emergency room visits fell after health care reform

Massachusetts emergency room visits fell after health care reform

A new study in the journal Science revealed that emergency room use rose by 40 percentover 18 months among new Medicaid beneficiaries in Oregon starting in 2008. While opponents of Obamacare and its expansion of Medicaid cheered those findings suggesting that U.S. health care costs will go up as a result, their exhilaration may be premature. It's not just that the patterns of health care utilization by newly insured, lower income Americans could still be in flux after so short a period of time. As the Massachusetts experience suggests, after an initial spike ER use slowly dropped over time.

But most (though not all) subsequent studies of the Massachusetts overhaul that served as the model for the Affordable Care Act found ER visits declined over time. In her 2012 assessment ("The Effect of Insurance on Emergency Room Visits: An Analysis of the 2006 Massachusetts Health Reform"), Sarah Miller reported an 8 percent decline in emergency department use over a period of several years. Her study followed a 2010 analysis by Jonathan T. Kolstad and Amanda E. Kowalski which found that Mitt Romney's reforms ultimately "affected utilization patterns by decreasing length of stay and the number of inpatient admissions originating from the emergency room." Examining data for hospital admissions originating from the emergency room, Kolstad and Kowalski found "a decline in inpatient admissions originating in the emergency room of 5.2 percent." While ER use by patients in wealthier ZIP codes was essentially unchanged:

We find that the reduction in emergency admissions was particularly pronounced among people from zip codes in the lowest income quartile [with an estimated] 12.2 percent reduction.

That conclusion echoed the findings of a January 2012 study ("Massachusetts Health Reforms: Uninsurance Remains Low, Self-Reported Health Status Improves As State Prepares To Tackle Costs") by Sharon K. Long, Karen Stockley, and Heather Dahlen. They found that a four percent decline in reported ER use between 2006 and 2010.

UPDATE: As the the Post's Sarah Kliff just reported, the Science study only looks at Medicaid expansion over 18 months that began in Oregon in 2008. But in the years since, Oregon's own Medicaid reforms have started to achieve significant reductions in ER use.

 

[koshergrl]

think its a good post and interesting thoughts Tom . Hard to believe but if your info is accurate then its pretty awful !! I never heard of an osteopath and what they did before but they sound like quacks to me .

But remember, it's conservatives who are anti-science. Liberals believe that astrology is science, they're big into healing crystals, they're big into all this natural healing BS, etc. and they have a self-image of being scientifically enlightened people.

No, progressive freaks are anti-science. They deny any science that does not conform with their projected version of reality, and always have. They claim the unborn aren't people and aren't alive, they maintain that there should be no oversight of abortion clinics that would result in better, safer care..they deny any science that runs contrary to their ridiculous notions.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

think its a good post and interesting thoughts Tom . Hard to believe but if your info is accurate then its pretty awful !! I never heard of an osteopath and what they did before but they sound like quacks to me .

You don't know what they are but "they sound like quacks".

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Oh what a surprise, I now have a crazy theist stalker!

Congrats.

I've got a new stalker too!


http://www.usmessageboard.com/threads/luddwatch-2014.375507/#post-9777725

Fun stuff.

 

[koshergrl]

Here are the FACTS about ER usage following RomneyCare.

ER usage initially spiked in order to deal with the BACKLOG and eventually settled down at a LOWER level than before. Same applied to Oregon.

Massachusetts emergency room visits fell after health care reform

Massachusetts emergency room visits fell after health care reform

A new study in the journal Science revealed that emergency room use rose by 40 percentover 18 months among new Medicaid beneficiaries in Oregon starting in 2008. While opponents of Obamacare and its expansion of Medicaid cheered those findings suggesting that U.S. health care costs will go up as a result, their exhilaration may be premature. It's not just that the patterns of health care utilization by newly insured, lower income Americans could still be in flux after so short a period of time. As the Massachusetts experience suggests, after an initial spike ER use slowly dropped over time.

But most (though not all) subsequent studies of the Massachusetts overhaul that served as the model for the Affordable Care Act found ER visits declined over time. In her 2012 assessment ("The Effect of Insurance on Emergency Room Visits: An Analysis of the 2006 Massachusetts Health Reform"), Sarah Miller reported an 8 percent decline in emergency department use over a period of several years. Her study followed a 2010 analysis by Jonathan T. Kolstad and Amanda E. Kowalski which found that Mitt Romney's reforms ultimately "affected utilization patterns by decreasing length of stay and the number of inpatient admissions originating from the emergency room." Examining data for hospital admissions originating from the emergency room, Kolstad and Kowalski found "a decline in inpatient admissions originating in the emergency room of 5.2 percent." While ER use by patients in wealthier ZIP codes was essentially unchanged:

We find that the reduction in emergency admissions was particularly pronounced among people from zip codes in the lowest income quartile [with an estimated] 12.2 percent reduction.

That conclusion echoed the findings of a January 2012 study ("Massachusetts Health Reforms: Uninsurance Remains Low, Self-Reported Health Status Improves As State Prepares To Tackle Costs") by Sharon K. Long, Karen Stockley, and Heather Dahlen. They found that a four percent decline in reported ER use between 2006 and 2010.

UPDATE: As the the Post's Sarah Kliff just reported, the Science study only looks at Medicaid expansion over 18 months that began in Oregon in 2008. But in the years since, Oregon's own Medicaid reforms have started to achieve significant reductions in ER use.

That's a nice spin, lol.

Decline between 2006 and 2010...wtf? How about between 2010 and 2014?

 

[koshergrl]

Why is anyone surprised that there was a backlog of people needing medical care prior to the enactment of the ACA that is now finally receiving the treatment that they need to survive?

This was predicted given that there were millions who were uninsured. Needless to say this will probably decline as the backlog is eventually cleared.

You and your constant invocations of faith.

Oh what a surprise, I now have a crazy theist stalker!

Pointing out the obvious about you doesn't make a person a stalker.

 

[pismoe]

I googled ' osteopath ' but forgot to mention that fact Luddley . Osteopath sounds sorta like chiropractors with big emphasis on skeletal manipulation . Both are sorta quackish in my opinion . Besides that the personalized healthcare that my parents , I and my family received is going to be unobtainable in the future for most people of average income .

 

[Derideo_Te]

Here are the FACTS about ER usage following RomneyCare.

ER usage initially spiked in order to deal with the BACKLOG and eventually settled down at a LOWER level than before. Same applied to Oregon.

Massachusetts emergency room visits fell after health care reform

Massachusetts emergency room visits fell after health care reform

A new study in the journal Science revealed that emergency room use rose by 40 percentover 18 months among new Medicaid beneficiaries in Oregon starting in 2008. While opponents of Obamacare and its expansion of Medicaid cheered those findings suggesting that U.S. health care costs will go up as a result, their exhilaration may be premature. It's not just that the patterns of health care utilization by newly insured, lower income Americans could still be in flux after so short a period of time. As the Massachusetts experience suggests, after an initial spike ER use slowly dropped over time.

But most (though not all) subsequent studies of the Massachusetts overhaul that served as the model for the Affordable Care Act found ER visits declined over time. In her 2012 assessment ("The Effect of Insurance on Emergency Room Visits: An Analysis of the 2006 Massachusetts Health Reform"), Sarah Miller reported an 8 percent decline in emergency department use over a period of several years. Her study followed a 2010 analysis by Jonathan T. Kolstad and Amanda E. Kowalski which found that Mitt Romney's reforms ultimately "affected utilization patterns by decreasing length of stay and the number of inpatient admissions originating from the emergency room." Examining data for hospital admissions originating from the emergency room, Kolstad and Kowalski found "a decline in inpatient admissions originating in the emergency room of 5.2 percent." While ER use by patients in wealthier ZIP codes was essentially unchanged:

We find that the reduction in emergency admissions was particularly pronounced among people from zip codes in the lowest income quartile [with an estimated] 12.2 percent reduction.

That conclusion echoed the findings of a January 2012 study ("Massachusetts Health Reforms: Uninsurance Remains Low, Self-Reported Health Status Improves As State Prepares To Tackle Costs") by Sharon K. Long, Karen Stockley, and Heather Dahlen. They found that a four percent decline in reported ER use between 2006 and 2010.

UPDATE: As the the Post's Sarah Kliff just reported, the Science study only looks at Medicaid expansion over 18 months that began in Oregon in 2008. But in the years since, Oregon's own Medicaid reforms have started to achieve significant reductions in ER use.

That's a nice spin, lol.

Decline between 2006 and 2010...wtf? How about between 2010 and 2014?

Congratulations, your abject ignorance of the subject matter has just disqualified you from any further meaningful participation in this topic.

 

[koshergrl]

Here are the FACTS about ER usage following RomneyCare.

ER usage initially spiked in order to deal with the BACKLOG and eventually settled down at a LOWER level than before. Same applied to Oregon.

Massachusetts emergency room visits fell after health care reform

Massachusetts emergency room visits fell after health care reform

A new study in the journal Science revealed that emergency room use rose by 40 percentover 18 months among new Medicaid beneficiaries in Oregon starting in 2008. While opponents of Obamacare and its expansion of Medicaid cheered those findings suggesting that U.S. health care costs will go up as a result, their exhilaration may be premature. It's not just that the patterns of health care utilization by newly insured, lower income Americans could still be in flux after so short a period of time. As the Massachusetts experience suggests, after an initial spike ER use slowly dropped over time.

But most (though not all) subsequent studies of the Massachusetts overhaul that served as the model for the Affordable Care Act found ER visits declined over time. In her 2012 assessment ("The Effect of Insurance on Emergency Room Visits: An Analysis of the 2006 Massachusetts Health Reform"), Sarah Miller reported an 8 percent decline in emergency department use over a period of several years. Her study followed a 2010 analysis by Jonathan T. Kolstad and Amanda E. Kowalski which found that Mitt Romney's reforms ultimately "affected utilization patterns by decreasing length of stay and the number of inpatient admissions originating from the emergency room." Examining data for hospital admissions originating from the emergency room, Kolstad and Kowalski found "a decline in inpatient admissions originating in the emergency room of 5.2 percent." While ER use by patients in wealthier ZIP codes was essentially unchanged:

We find that the reduction in emergency admissions was particularly pronounced among people from zip codes in the lowest income quartile [with an estimated] 12.2 percent reduction.

That conclusion echoed the findings of a January 2012 study ("Massachusetts Health Reforms: Uninsurance Remains Low, Self-Reported Health Status Improves As State Prepares To Tackle Costs") by Sharon K. Long, Karen Stockley, and Heather Dahlen. They found that a four percent decline in reported ER use between 2006 and 2010.

UPDATE: As the the Post's Sarah Kliff just reported, the Science study only looks at Medicaid expansion over 18 months that began in Oregon in 2008. But in the years since, Oregon's own Medicaid reforms have started to achieve significant reductions in ER use.

That's a nice spin, lol.

Decline between 2006 and 2010...wtf? How about between 2010 and 2014?

Congratulations, your abject ignorance of the subject matter has just disqualified you from any further meaningful participation in this topic.

I accept your surrender, obama acolyte.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

I googled ' osteopath ' but forgot to mention that fact Luddley . Osteopath sounds sorta like chiropractors with big emphasis on skeletal manipulation . Both are sorta quackish in my opinion . Besides that the personalized healthcare that my parents , I and my family received is going to be unobtainable in the future for most people of average income .

I remember when I was young and foolish, my own mother talked about going to a chiropractor. I told her that, imo, she might as well go to a veterinarian. I have since ;earned that there are many disciplines, in addition to allopathy, that have a place in our bag of health tricks. It would be foolish to reject them out of hand without first educating yourself.

Unless the Republicans get into power, you should be able to get decent health care in the future. Even if Rs do get the power, its unlikely they'll be able to take ObamaCare away from the middle class.

And, you're welcome to your opinion but don't lie. You stated you did not know anything about osteopaths. Now you change your story to say you had Googled it and actually did know what they are. From this post, its obvious that you still don't know what they are or what their training and specialty is. And yet, you still spout an opinion.