Eliminating Don't Ask/Don't Tell? You Can't Be Serious!

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    Eliminating the U.S. Military's "Don't Ask Don't Tell" policy will be an historic catastrophic misstake. Overall, it will dramatically hurt the effectiveness of the U.S. military. It will create all types of negative dynamics in the military and hurt the cohesiveness of U.S. military units. Members of a military unit have to work in the closest possible physical proximity to one another, they share foxholes together, they shower together, etc.. For many heterosexual males, especially young ones, it is an uncomfortable experience being in such a close environment with openly gay men. It may be politically incorrect to say this but the issue is different for straight men compared to straight women, men's emotional make-up is different they have a strong male ego, they don't like threats to their masculinity which having openly gay men in their unit will pose. For many men the issue of openly gay men in their unit matters, they aren't morally or ethically bad people for feeling this way, it just grates against their nature frankly probably many straight men in ground combat units would rebel with having a lot of women in their units, it causes all kinds of negative effects that could hurt the effectiveness of the unit and therefore could very likely get soldiers killed. The problems arising from having openly gay soldiers in male units can't be eliminated or overcome by any non-military or military authority because these problems stem from basic human nature.


    Other serious problems will arise from allowing openly gay men in military units such as some of these gay soldiers will enter into romantique relationships with other gay men in their unit which will cause a myriad of problems. Some of these gay soldiers will be overly protective of their partners in their unit, some of them will have physical relationships while on duty, there will be the issue of gay soldiers in a unit having their relationship distracting them from doing their duty and there will the issue of gay soldiers in a unit in a relationship when the relationship is having problems the problems spilling over to the unit as other soldiers in the unit take sides in the relationship. This romantique relationship issue arising from allowing openly gay soldiers in the military in short will be very divisive to military units.


    Another serious problem with allowing openly gay male soldiers in the U.S. military is that it will result in gay male soldiers pursuing romantique relationships with straight male soldiers and this is a powder keg scenario. Excuse the gender distincition but it really does matter from a practical standpoint because this is a much bigger issue from a male vantage point than a female vantage point. And it won't matter what assault laws or any other laws are enacted this affirmative step on the gay male soldiers part will often lead to violence against that gay male soldier by the affected straight male soldier or other straight soldiers in the unit that don't want gay soldiers doing such acts. For this reason alone, government authorities should not allow openly gay male soldiers to serve in the military and it is that gay soldiers will get physically hurt because of situtations where they pursue or are believed to have pursued a romantique relationship with a straight male soldier and there is nothing civil or military authorities can or will be able to do to stop it.



    The issue of allowing openly gay soldiers in the military is wrongly characterized as a discrimination issue. If the activity in question was about jobs, education, housing or freedom of movement for gay people sure there would be a discrimination issue that would attach, but not when it comes to the activity of service in the military for openly gay people. The activity or work of the military is about being part of a fighting system, the function or work of that system fighting, killing and the like is paramount and trumps many, what would outside the military, be called human rights. As Americans learned in the first Gulf War, soldiers did not have the right to refuse vaccines that it was hoped would protect them from chemical weapons even though those vaccines were dangerous - and incidentally it is believed by many Americans did cause serious health problems to some soldiers that received the vaccines. In the military, military members lose some of their contractural rights, if a soldier signs up for a three year tour of duty and the President and Commander-in-Chief decides he or she still needs that soldier's service in the military after three years, after three years that soldier is still in the military. The Gay community in America has to get a conscience on this issue, the work of the military is about the work of the military. The U.S. government can't be adopting personnel selection policies for the military that undermine or jeopardizes the militaries effectiveness. When a military loses its effectivesness people die as a result - I would hope America's gay community would begin to give that consequence a concern.



    There would not be anything wrong with allowing limited entry into the U.S. military for openly gay people, that is, allowing openly gay people in the military if they have a valuable specialty to offer that is really needed by the military, like a language specialist. Because this would not put large numbers of gay people in the military and thus would not produce the problems listed above on a large scale.



    If one listens to the media it seems to be a fait accompli that the U.S. government will do away with the current restriction on gay people in the military known as the "Don't Ask Don't Tell" policy and that will be a tragedy without measure for the American people. The fact that America's leaders are even seriously considering this just shows how low our country has sank in the quick sand of political correctness. The U.S. is blessed with the greatest military in the World, their performance in Iraq and Afghanistan has been A plus (outstanding) why would a leader in America want to jeopardize such effectiveness by allowing openly gay soldiers entry into America's military it is stupid and irrespnsible beyond words!
     
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    Replace the word "homosexual" with "black" and "heterosexual" with "white", and this argument will look eerily familiar.
     
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    Yeah, because in combat, Joe's gonna be thinking about how hot Jim's ass is. :rolleyes:
     
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    I have seen many interviews with CO's and most of them say they are all brothers and they don't care about their sexual preferences over there, they only care if they have their back.
     
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    You bet! And troops will be afraid to drop the soap! :eek:
     
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    Good. It was a lie solution encouraging people to lie and lying about keeping people in even if they didn't tell.
     
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    Women in the military all chuckle when men go on and on about being too irresistable to gay men.
     
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    Jim ... damn ... that's a lot of thought, however I must side with the "so what" angle on this one. Honestly, I just can't see the harm in it, no matter how you say it. They're there anyway and most soldiers simply don't have the time to worry about such stupid things. Banning gays from the military is a stupid idea though, would you rather have only straight people fight to protect even gay people? If they want to die for the right to be gay, let em, and for those who join the military, at least you know they are willing to pay for that right. ;)
     
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    I really think that normal sexual harassment rules already in place in the military would protect soldier's concerns so I don't really care if they do but you have to give the military time to adjust because showering with a gay dude might be a violation of your privacy so there is going to be some adjustments made.
     
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    Thats your guy's strategy with everything isn't it?
     

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