Electoral college tie - this strange scenario is possible

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    If neither candidate receives more than 269 electoral votes, the House of Representatives chooses from among the top three candidates, and the Senate from the top two.


    This scenario is more likely than you might think! Take the current RCP map, which shows Obama with 251 likely votes and Romney with 181.

    RealClearPolitics - 2012 Election Maps - Electoral Map

    If Obama wins the toss up state of Ohio and Romney wins the remainder of the toss-up states - no candiate has a majority!



    So the House would choose, with each Congressional state delegation getting one vote, the President from the top three vote getters. This would easily be Romney. I haven't looked lately but there are like 37 state delegrations that are Republican. Even in the unlikely event the Democrats won the House back, state - by - state it would still be majority Republican. So barring any sort of absurdities, Romney wins the Presidency.

    What of the Vice Presidency ? The Senate must choose from the top two voted for VP. If the Senate switches to Republican, its easily Ryan.

    But what if the Senate remains Democrat? You'd think Biden, right? Strange enough - but not so fast! The electoral vote for Vice President is chosen by the Senate because no candidate received a majority - not because it was a tie! So if it appeared the election for Vice President would go to the Senate and the President would be Mitt Romney by choice of a the House, the electors could instead switch their votes, voting Obama for Vice President and Biden (or anyone else) for President. Romney still wins either way - except now the Senate would have to choose between Ryan and Obama for Vice President. So the President would be Mitt Romney and the Vice President would be Barrack Obama.

    As if that wouldn't be strange enough - Obama would be eligible to run for President for the next term, and we would have the odd situation of a President Mitt Romney running against a Vice President Obama for the Presidency.
     
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    was your sanity ever tested? It should be.
     
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    Don't lose sleep worrying about it. :cool:
     
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    Is the math that hard for your dumb ass to understand ? 251 + 18 = 269. If Obama has 269 then Romney also has 269.

    Are you with me so far?
     
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    lol!
     
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    You do realize that their model has accurately predicted every presidential race since 1980 don't you? When the actual voting takes place and Obama doesn't have the media or pollsters skewing things in his favor, there will be a whole lot of shocked liberals calling for sack cloth and ashes when he gets beaten so badly. Of course, just like the debate, the left will claim he "cheated" to win.
     
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    Yes, this can happen. I'm a Constitutional process nerd so I want to see it happen just so I get to see it once in my lifetime.

    The more likely scenario in a tie though will be a lawsuit and a Supreme Court intervention.
     
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    The supreme court has no right to get into this. They did it in 2000 and it was as wrong as anything can be.
     
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    Actually, we agree on this. Intervention in the 2000 election was ABSOLUTELY wrong as voting procedures is a State's Rights issue unless you violate the Equal Protection clauses in the Constitution. The original argument was that those clauses were violated, IIRC, but it was an incredibly shaky argument meant to open the door for the Supreme Court to get involved.

    They should have left it to the State, and failing resolution there, to the Constitutional methods for selection.
     
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