Electirc cars pollute MORE than gas poweered cars!!!

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    The study was referring to the pollution from China's coal burning electric plants. How you determined that "the internal combustion engine rules" from that is puzzling.
     
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    Well argued! Accurate, concise, well written and verifiable! What a sterling defense! You must have captained your collegiate debate squad.

    If, as a Liberal, I could post something like that, or even better, a bumper sticker, I'm convinced that each and every Conservative would snap out of it and realize that we have but one environment and we are fully capable of ruining it.

    But, sadly, I do not possess the intellectual prowess to make such a slam dunk argument. I'm saddled with science, facts, truths and incontrovertible evidence. All useful tools in other contexts, but sadly lacking in efficacy when faced with a Rush Limbaughesque saying.
     
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    The chineses use very dirty coal to generate electricity. The coal used to generate the electricity and the transmission losses in distribution produce more pollution than would be the case if the power to move the car was provided by gasoline.

    This is going to be a consistant problem. Where and how much pollution is generated by coal vs petroleum.


    The only way electric cars really are green is if the electric plants are green. And none of them are. Hydro kills fish, solar generates huge amounts of really toxic waste in the manufacture of the cells etc.

    China is working very hard on an alternative form of nuke energy that is very promising.

    but for now, the coal is really dirty and the gas, not so much
     
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    Thanks s0n............

    Actually, Im well hated by the k00ks in this forum which means my threads/posts are highly effective. My intentions in here are all about displaying to the curious who take a gander into the environmental foum that the whole global warming thing is now percieved as a farce by the public, as proven through any poll.

    And as I say frequently on here.........nobody cares about the science anymore as the instances of the environmentalists losing has reached levels of epic indeed!!! In fact, its gotten so bad that Obama didnt even mention Climate Change ONCE in his January SOTU speech!!!

    Slam dunking!!!!:fu:
     
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    And China has been building coal plants the way I shop for groceries~ every week!

    The coal plants that line the banks of the Ohio river burn high sulfur coal. But they are equipped with 'scrubbers' designed to rid the polluting sulfur from the air. They work well while they are turned on. And the scrubbers were highly resisted by the power generators. They are expensive and require costly maintenance. That cuts into the bottom line. A good enough reason for the power generators to resist the intallation of the scrubbers. Good enough if you don't happen to live within the shadow of the power plants as most of the CEOs don't.

    God Bless those decision makers! They are truly the benevolent job creating over lords of Capitalism and worthy of our praise and our rewards.
     
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    yeah perception, that's the important point! Forget facts, so long as the perceptions are lining up, who really cares?
     
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    They have a lot of coal and huge power demands and no electoral accountability. As you note, this leads to questionable decisions.

    The deal is, the cost of the scrubbers is passed on to the rate payer. The CEO does not care on a bottom line basis. He is a monopolist. He gets what the local public utility regulator allows him to charge and the regulator is obliged to put the cost of the scrubber in you light bill. the cost to you is maybe .9 cents a kilowatt and you barely notice.

    The average Chinese worker gets such a low wage .9 cents a kilowatt extra for light might be more that the social fabric can handle. I dont' know what the trade offs are that the Chinese have to consider. We have had elections and decided that clean air is more important than cheap electric. The chinese don't have that luxury.
     
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    Reailty is 99% perception s0n.........you hit that nail on the head.

    And the fact is, there are no "facts" in the global warming debate............which is exactly why the perception exists, Nitz:D
     

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