Elections over: Republicans can finally stop pretending they care about Healthcare.

[Billy_Kinetta]

pre existing conditions

That's generally something like cancer, and you get a diagnosis and a prognosis and a bunch of other bastardized Greek or Latin medical terminologies. You may as well read the horoscope in the newspaper for Cancer .

Dx is cancer, and Tx is toxic chemotherapy and ionizing radiation. More people are dying of the treatment than of the diagnosis, and insurance companies sometimes feel that if you have cancer as a "pre-existing condition," and you are well enough to talk about it and argue about it, you are probably doing well enough without the chemo and radiation, and they don't want to pay for some treatment that is likely to kill you sooner than the disease.

The same doctors who already take the knife to a newborn's genitals without medical necessity or justification are not to be trusted

Research has shown that the ladies far prefer the little German helmet to the old rumpled sock.

 

[Oldstyle]

Dude, Democrats lost in a "shellacking" back in 2010 because they voted for the Affordable Care Act! Now you think Republicans lost because they understand that ObamaCare was designed to fail and has to be overhauled completely?

The GOP lost because their position on health care is bad and unpopular. And Obamacare has become popular, making their previous positions and votes quite awkward.

ObamaCare has not become popular except with the people who got the big subsidies...for those who got stuck footing the bill...ObamaCare SUCKS!

 

[Greenbeard]

ObamaCare has not become popular except with the people who got the big subsidies...for those who got stuck footing the bill...ObamaCare SUCKS!

I can see how the ACA outlasting the GOP majority and its unified control of government would be bewildering for you.

The reality is that it's become popular among the majority of the public and the Dems just scored their biggest midterm win in 40 years running a campaign laser-focused on health care. As the cherry on top, the voters of three ruby red states (Idaho, Utah, and Nebraska) just voted to embrace Obamacare's Medicaid expansion.

 

[Oldstyle]

ObamaCare has not become popular except with the people who got the big subsidies...for those who got stuck footing the bill...ObamaCare SUCKS!

I can see how the ACA outlasting the GOP majority and its unified control of government would be bewildering for you.

The reality is that it's become popular among the majority of the public and the Dems just scored their biggest midterm win in 40 years running a campaign laser-focused on health care. As the cherry on top, the voters of three ruby red states (Idaho, Utah, and Nebraska) just voted to embrace Obamacare's Medicaid expansion.

Losing Senate seats in a mid term is the biggest Democratic "win" in 40 years? Clinton lost more House seats in his first midterm. So did Barry. I'm amused you think the Democratic campaign was "laser-focused" on health care, Greenie! You know as well as I do that it was laser focused on Trump!

 

[Greenbeard]

I'm amused you think the Democratic campaign was "laser-focused" on health care, Greenie! You know as well as I do that it was laser focused on Trump!

Not sure what election you watched but the one that just happened was an endless parade of GOP candidates begging for the voters to believe that they didn't mean it when they voted repeatedly to bring back pre-existing conditions.

That was the culmination of the strategy laid out by Dem leadership:

It was a meeting of House Democrats early in 2017, during Republicans’ drive that March to strike down the Affordable Care Act. Ms. Pelosi and her political lieutenants laid out their counterattack: Democrats would talk about pre-existing conditions and millions of people losing coverage. And they would talk about an “age tax” — a provision in the Obamacare replacement passed by the House, which would have allowed health insurers to widen the premium gap between younger and older customers. . .

That narrow focus on health care and a few economic issues came to define the Democrats’ midterm campaign. It represented a wholesale rejection of Hillary Clinton’s failed strategy in the 2016 campaign, which focused on Mr. Trump’s fitness for office.

A strategy the party executed to win decisively:

The main reason for Democrats’ electoral success this year with older Americans is that in 2018, Democratic candidates stopped seeing health care as a liability and began seeing it as a political weapon.

An analysis of House and Senate campaign ads by the Wesleyan Media Project found that from Sept. 18 to Oct. 15, 2018, a full 54.5 percent of all ads for Democratic House and Senate candidates discussed health care, while only 31.5 percent of pro-Republican ads did the same. It’s a striking reversal from the four election cycles since the 2010 passage of the Affordable Care Act—four elections in which no more than 10 percent of Democratic ads mentioned health care and during which Republicans were several times more likely to discuss the issue.

Health care was the single-most-discussed issue in political ads in 2018. Of the more than 3 million election ads that ran on TV this cycle, at least 1.2 million mentioned health care, according to an analysis by Bloomberg News based on data from Kantar Media/CMAG. Nearly three-fourths of those ads were paid for by Democrats and Democratic-aligned groups. And many of those were aimed squarely at voters over 50—and weren’t particularly subtle about that fact.

Which is why, per the exit polls, health care was the top issue this year, fueling the Dems' wins.

And now the GOP's repeal bullshit is finally put out of its misery for good.

 

[Oldstyle]

I'm amused you think the Democratic campaign was "laser-focused" on health care, Greenie! You know as well as I do that it was laser focused on Trump!

Not sure what election you watched but the one that just happened was an endless parade of GOP candidates begging for the voters to believe that they didn't mean it when they voted repeatedly to bring back pre-existing conditions.

That was the culmination of the strategy laid out by Dem leadership:

It was a meeting of House Democrats early in 2017, during Republicans’ drive that March to strike down the Affordable Care Act. Ms. Pelosi and her political lieutenants laid out their counterattack: Democrats would talk about pre-existing conditions and millions of people losing coverage. And they would talk about an “age tax” — a provision in the Obamacare replacement passed by the House, which would have allowed health insurers to widen the premium gap between younger and older customers. . .

That narrow focus on health care and a few economic issues came to define the Democrats’ midterm campaign. It represented a wholesale rejection of Hillary Clinton’s failed strategy in the 2016 campaign, which focused on Mr. Trump’s fitness for office.

A strategy the party executed to win decisively:

The main reason for Democrats’ electoral success this year with older Americans is that in 2018, Democratic candidates stopped seeing health care as a liability and began seeing it as a political weapon.

An analysis of House and Senate campaign ads by the Wesleyan Media Project found that from Sept. 18 to Oct. 15, 2018, a full 54.5 percent of all ads for Democratic House and Senate candidates discussed health care, while only 31.5 percent of pro-Republican ads did the same. It’s a striking reversal from the four election cycles since the 2010 passage of the Affordable Care Act—four elections in which no more than 10 percent of Democratic ads mentioned health care and during which Republicans were several times more likely to discuss the issue.

Health care was the single-most-discussed issue in political ads in 2018. Of the more than 3 million election ads that ran on TV this cycle, at least 1.2 million mentioned health care, according to an analysis by Bloomberg News based on data from Kantar Media/CMAG. Nearly three-fourths of those ads were paid for by Democrats and Democratic-aligned groups. And many of those were aimed squarely at voters over 50—and weren’t particularly subtle about that fact.

Which is why, per the exit polls, health care was the top issue this year, fueling the Dems' wins.

And now the GOP's repeal bullshit is finally put out of its misery for good.

It was brilliant political strategy to give people things with the ACA that aren't sustainable fiscally and then challenge the GOP to fix the mess that Democrats created! I'll give you that, Greenie! So now you've won back control of the House. That's the good news. The bad news is that now YOU have the problem of fixing the mess that you created! So how are you going to make the numbers work? Have fun with that...

 

[Greenbeard]

It was brilliant political strategy to give people things with the ACA that aren't sustainable fiscally and then challenge the GOP to fix the mess that Democrats created! I'll give you that, Greenie! So now you've won back control of the House. That's the good news. The bad news is that now YOU have the problem of fixing the mess that you created! So how are you going to make the numbers work? Have fun with that...

If only there was some way Obamacare could've cost less than advertised and the savings it achieved could've been even bigger than promised. Wait, that is what happened.

CBO: Obamacare Costing The Feds A Third Less Than Expected

The Congressional Budget Office said Friday that its projections for the federal government’s spending on the Affordable Care Act’s coverage provisions in 2019 are now a third lower than what they were when the law was passed in 2010.

CBO Director Keith Hall said in written responses to questions posed by the House Budget Committee that the CBO expects the federal government to spend $148 billion in 2019 on the law’s coverage provisions, down from the $214 billion estimated when the law was passed.

Medicare’s cost surprise: It’s going down

During the Obama era, Medicare’s per-person spending barely budged, inching up only about 1 percent per year. That’s less than the rate of inflation, meaning that per-person Medicare costs, when adjusted for inflation, have been going down.

Sucks to be the ones who have to figure out this mess!

 

[Flash]

As a real Conservative I hate the filthy ass oppressive government taking my money by force and using it to pay somebody else health care bills.

If that is "not caring about health care" then I am damn proud to be in that group.

 

[Oldstyle]

It was brilliant political strategy to give people things with the ACA that aren't sustainable fiscally and then challenge the GOP to fix the mess that Democrats created! I'll give you that, Greenie! So now you've won back control of the House. That's the good news. The bad news is that now YOU have the problem of fixing the mess that you created! So how are you going to make the numbers work? Have fun with that...

If only there was some way Obamacare could've cost less than advertised and the savings it achieved could've been even bigger than promised. Wait, that is what happened.

CBO: Obamacare Costing The Feds A Third Less Than Expected

The Congressional Budget Office said Friday that its projections for the federal government’s spending on the Affordable Care Act’s coverage provisions in 2019 are now a third lower than what they were when the law was passed in 2010.

CBO Director Keith Hall said in written responses to questions posed by the House Budget Committee that the CBO expects the federal government to spend $148 billion in 2019 on the law’s coverage provisions, down from the $214 billion estimated when the law was passed.

Medicare’s cost surprise: It’s going down

During the Obama era, Medicare’s per-person spending barely budged, inching up only about 1 percent per year. That’s less than the rate of inflation, meaning that per-person Medicare costs, when adjusted for inflation, have been going down.

Sucks to be the ones who have to figure out this mess!

Your own cited article explains why that is, Greenie. Fewer people are using the ACA so it's costing us less. If as many people were using the program the cost would be much higher.

 

[dblack]

I can see how the ACA outlasting the GOP majority and its unified control of government would be bewildering for you.

Not me. I predicted it. GOP politicians are still politicians. And they love power. Congress will never let go of health care.

 

[playtime]

how (R)s would love to go back to the days before obamacare existed.... man, things never change with them.

 

[Dana7360]

20 states can still lose their protections for pre existing conditions because of the lawsuit Republicans have going to end Obamacare and the protections, including protecting those with pre existing conditions.

Now that the elections are over it's clear America wasn't fooled. Everyone knows Republicans are lying when they said they would protect people's healthcare.

It's because of healthcare and Republicans wanting to end it for millions of Americans that so many Republicans lost.

Do Republicans believe it's a winner for the next election to screw over millions of Americans or will they finally work to help those they care nothing about?

It's not just those 20 states. It's the whole nation that will lose protections for preexisting conditions.

They're trying to get Obamacare declared unconstitutional. If the courts agree then no state will ever be able to pass any laws protecting people with preexisting conditions.

 

[edward37]

Obamacare is still moving forward. It never failed. It was misaligned. What else to Republicans have to offer? Seriously, what else?

Seriously, your question assumes ACA is better than nothing. It's not. It's worse. It's a step in the wrong direction. Simple repeal would be an improvement. Then we can look at the other policies that are fucking up the health care market and fix those.

$3500 a night in a hospital

 

[dblack]

Obamacare is still moving forward. It never failed. It was misaligned. What else to Republicans have to offer? Seriously, what else?

Seriously, your question assumes ACA is better than nothing. It's not. It's worse. It's a step in the wrong direction. Simple repeal would be an improvement. Then we can look at the other policies that are fucking up the health care market and fix those.

$3500 a night in a hospital

uh,,, ok