Election 2010

[Foxfyre]

Maybe so, but Huckabee is running 3rd (behind Palin and Romney) in the approval ratings, and he has given absolutely no indication that he is interested in running again in 2012.

 

[Terry]

Maybe so, but Huckabee is running 3rd (behind Palin and Romney) in the approval ratings, and he has given absolutely no indication that he is interested in running again in 2012.

I won't vote for any of these fucks!

 

[Foxfyre]

Maybe so, but Huckabee is running 3rd (behind Palin and Romney) in the approval ratings, and he has given absolutely no indication that he is interested in running again in 2012.

I won't vote for any of these fucks!

Your prerogative of course, but if we had voted for one of these or somebody who shared their views, we would be having a much different debate re energy, healthcare, taxes, education, and foreign policy than what we are now having. We would probably be happy with some things and frustrated with some things, but I think we would be on our way out of a severe recession rather than headed into a prolonged and difficult depression.

 

[Terry]

Maybe so, but Huckabee is running 3rd (behind Palin and Romney) in the approval ratings, and he has given absolutely no indication that he is interested in running again in 2012.

I won't vote for any of these fucks!

Your prerogative of course, but if we had voted for one of these or somebody who shared their views, we would be having a much different debate re energy, healthcare, taxes, education, and foreign policy than what we are now having. We would probably be happy with some things and frustrated with some things, but I think we would be on our way out of a severe recession rather than headed into a prolonged and difficult depression.

I have always held my nose and voted for the lesser of two evils however; I won't be doing that again. I will vote for the person who is best for this country and that person who aligns themselves to serving the Constitution closely has my vote. This X-Republican and I guess you would say gone far RIGHT...and the Republican party has moved way left for my liking.

They Rep and Dem tags have only themselves to thank and I'm not alone. Just what do you think the Tea parties are all about? You think they are to vote Republican? No, They are to vote for anyone adhearing to the Constituiton and this Chick knows BS when she hears it.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

However, with the Republicans in control, we wouldn't have the stimulus, cap and trade or this insane health care bill. Wouldn't that be better?

I think we'd have other stuff that would be as bad, like saber rattling at North Korea and Pakistan and other foreign policy stuff that would be ratcheting up aggression globally. We'd also have continued ignorance of the fact that there are problems in the economy. At least with Obama in office, having run on the economy, attention is on it and so something will be done with it.

Figure it this way, the recession started in 12/07 but Bush did squat to fix it except bail out the banks, and McCain thought it was dandy. I doubt they'd be giving it any attention - except maybe more tax breaks for the wealthy, which doesn't make sense to me.

I like cap and trade, personally, being a Cali-girl. Got to g et off fossil fuels, there's no way around it.

Obama's policies, to the extent he has any, with regard to Pakistan and NK are basically the policies Bush left in place. With respect to the economy, no one understood what was happening until the financial crisis struck with full force, not Geithner, who was president of the New York Federal Reserve Bank with oversight responsibilities over the Wall Street firms that crashed, not the Dems in Congress with oversight responsibilities, not Bernanke, who precipitated the crisis by raising interest rates as a precaution against inflation rather than in response to strong data suggesting inflation was a real danger, and certainly not our slogan meister in chief who has been consistently wrong in everything he has said about the economy and whose policies of reckless borrowing and spending have been cited by the Chinese and Germans as posing a threat to the entire global economy.

It may give you some comfort to imagine that this whole mess was just the result of a Republican blooper, but in fact no one in the administration, in Congress, in the Fed, in the financial community or in any of the other governments in the world was able to put together the very public facts about the financial system and foresee the crisis that was coming. That's why its effects were so widespread throughout the global economy and so deep within each of the developed economies. That's why Congress was dumbfounded when Paulson told them that while they were so busy politicking the economy had fallen into a financial crisis that could wipe out our financial system and wreck the real economy and why they issued a collective gasp when he demanded $700 billion from them to buy up the distressed assets that the markets would not longer touch - as it turned out, a small fraction of what would really have been needed. Everyone knew all the facts, but no one was able to come to the right conclusions.

Even if you believe we are in a continuing process of global warning entirely caused by greenhouse gases due to the use of fossil fuels, this cap and trade bill will have such a minor effect on the global output of these gases or even on the per capita output in the US that it will change nothing about global warming even in the most optimistic scenario, but it will raise the cost of electricity to households and to businesses, giving households less money to spend to help revive the economy and causing businesses to raise prices to account for higher overhead costs, making US businesses less competitive, thus costing US jobs, and raising the cost of living even further. This bill is all about politics and ideology and not at all about good outcomes for either the environment or the economy.

It's not true to say nobody saw this crisis coming. The Austrian economists have been warning this would happen for years.

 

[Foxfyre]

I won't vote for any of these fucks!

Your prerogative of course, but if we had voted for one of these or somebody who shared their views, we would be having a much different debate re energy, healthcare, taxes, education, and foreign policy than what we are now having. We would probably be happy with some things and frustrated with some things, but I think we would be on our way out of a severe recession rather than headed into a prolonged and difficult depression.

I have always held my nose and voted for the lesser of two evils however; I won't be doing that again. I will vote for the person who is best for this country and that person who aligns themselves to serving the Constitution closely has my vote. This X-Republican and I guess you would say gone far RIGHT...and the Republican party has moved way left for my liking.

They Rep and Dem tags have only themselves to thank and I'm not alone. Just what do you think the Tea parties are all about? You think they are to vote Republican? No, They are to vote for anyone adhearing to the Constituiton and this Chick knows BS when she hears it.

Are you familiar with the phrase "cut off your nose to spite your face?"

I am as disgusted with the GOP as you are. I quit the Democrats during the Carter administration when I realized they had sold their souls and stopped representing the American people. I opposed McCain all through the primary as the least acceptable of all the candidates running, but once he won the nomination I supported him because despite my personal convictions, I knew he would do less harm than a Marxist socialist which is what Obama is. And even after Obama was elected, I refused to damn him in any way hoping beyond hope that he would govern by doing his damndest to do the right thing.

He hasn't.

And as we come up on the next elections, I too will be supporting the candidates that most closely represent my personal convictions. But if my candidate of choice does not prevail, once the choices are narrowed down to an either/or status, I will be voting for the one I believe to be the less damning to America and the Republic as the Founders envisioned it.

It is easy to throw in a protest vote and feel rightoeus. But if in so doing, you hand over the country to one who can and will do irreversible harm rather than somebody you simply cannot whole heartedly support, I can't see your action as noble.

 

[Terry]

Your prerogative of course, but if we had voted for one of these or somebody who shared their views, we would be having a much different debate re energy, healthcare, taxes, education, and foreign policy than what we are now having. We would probably be happy with some things and frustrated with some things, but I think we would be on our way out of a severe recession rather than headed into a prolonged and difficult depression.

I have always held my nose and voted for the lesser of two evils however; I won't be doing that again. I will vote for the person who is best for this country and that person who aligns themselves to serving the Constitution closely has my vote. This X-Republican and I guess you would say gone far RIGHT...and the Republican party has moved way left for my liking.

They Rep and Dem tags have only themselves to thank and I'm not alone. Just what do you think the Tea parties are all about? You think they are to vote Republican? No, They are to vote for anyone adhearing to the Constituiton and this Chick knows BS when she hears it.

And as we come up on the next elections, I too will be supporting the candidates that most closely represent my personal convictions. But if my candidate of choice does not prevail, once the choices are narrowed down to an either/or status, I will be voting for the one I believe to be the less damning to America and the Republic as the Founders envisioned it.

It is easy to throw in a protest vote and feel rightoeus. But if in so doing, you hand over the country to one who can and will do irreversible harm rather than somebody you simply cannot whole heartedly support, I can't see your action as noble.

And your reasoning is exactly why we are stuck with bad choices

 

[Soaring]

I won't vote for any of these fucks!

Your prerogative of course, but if we had voted for one of these or somebody who shared their views, we would be having a much different debate re energy, healthcare, taxes, education, and foreign policy than what we are now having. We would probably be happy with some things and frustrated with some things, but I think we would be on our way out of a severe recession rather than headed into a prolonged and difficult depression.

I have always held my nose and voted for the lesser of two evils however; I won't be doing that again. I will vote for the person who is best for this country and that person who aligns themselves to serving the Constitution closely has my vote. This X-Republican and I guess you would say gone far RIGHT...and the Republican party has moved way left for my liking.

They Rep and Dem tags have only themselves to thank and I'm not alone. Just what do you think the Tea parties are all about? You think they are to vote Republican? No, They are to vote for anyone adhearing to the Constituiton and this Chick knows BS when she hears it.

I tend to agree with you. I voted a straight Republican ticket last year, but I am going to study the candidates a little better in 2010. I don't think any Libertarian candidates will interest me, but maybe a few independents may. It really just matters who is running and what their stand on issues are , but it certainly will not be any Democratic liberals.

 

[Foxfyre]

And your reasoning is exactly why we are stuck with bad choices

If everybody had gone with my reasoning last November, we would be bitching about President McCain now instead of President Obama. Do you honestly believe a President McCain would have bought into that deadly Cap & Trade initiative Obama wants? Or would have been pushing for the government to dismantle our healthcare system to mandate Gestapo enforced socialized medicine? Or would have been going about the world denigrating the USA and apologizing for everything from nuclear armaments to hangnails? Would we now be reading Miranda rights to terrorists?

This is what I mean about choosing the bad rather than the irreversibly damning.

Yes, we should be right now putting together a political party that does restore the principles of the Republic as the Founders envisioned them. And we should be raising up leaders to take on the emasculated GOP and the soft facism of th Democrats.

But we should not accept the irreversibly damning if we have a choice between that and somebody who would just be somebody we have to hold our nose to vote for.

 

[Terry]

And your reasoning is exactly why we are stuck with bad choices

If everybody had gone with my reasoning last November

And if everyone had gone by my reasoning, we wouldn't have to hope that McCain wouldn't spend unwisely. Same with Obama.

 

[Foxfyre]

If everybody had gone with my reasoning last November

And if everyone had gone by my reasoning, we wouldn't have to hope that McCain wouldn't spend unwisely. Same with Obama.

No doubt. Neither McCain nor Obama would have been my choice for the last standing candidates to be POTUS. But in the end you and I were overruled by a majority who was buying into a different kind of vision. At least on the Democrat side. For the life of me, I don't know why the GOP picked McCain. That made absolutely no sense of any kind to me. I am pretty sure that I would not have been happy with a President McCain. But nobody will ever make me believe that McCain would have done all damage that Obama is doing and wants to do.

What I am saying is that if we don't get our way, we can't just put on our rubber pants and go home and refuse to play. And if we love our country, we won't vote for somebody who has no chance by anybody's estimation and allow the worst candidate be elected.

But we do have to keep the Tea Party spirit alive, keep beating the drums of freedom and doing the right and best thing until we persuade a majority to get it right and we drown out those who hate and/or are dismantling our great Republic.

 

[Terry]

And if everyone had gone by my reasoning, we wouldn't have to hope that McCain wouldn't spend unwisely. Same with Obama.

No doubt. Neither McCain nor Obama would have been my choice for the last standing candidates to be POTUS. But in the end you and I were overruled by a majority who was buying into a different kind of vision. At least on the Democrat side. For the life of me, I don't know why the GOP picked McCain. That made absolutely no sense of any kind to me. I am pretty sure that I would not have been happy with a President McCain. But nobody will ever make me believe that McCain would have done all damage that Obama is doing and wants to do.

What I am saying is that if we don't get our way, we can't just put on our rubber pants and go home and refuse to play. And if we love our country, we won't vote for somebody who has no chance by anybody's estimation and allow the worst candidate be elected.

But we do have to keep the Tea Party spirit alive, keep beating the drums of freedom and doing the right and best thing until we persuade a majority to get it right and we drown out those who hate and/or are dismantling our great Republic.

The Tea party is all about voting for who is right and to change the mindset if you vote for someone else you are throwing your vote away. Just think if everyone stopped thinking like that poltical figures would be held in check knowing full well they don't have that huge voting block anymore. Our Country would be better for it if this could be brought home to every American.

 

[Foxfyre]

I think we're both preaching to the same choir, Terry, and I think we probably agree on far more than we disagree. I am simply perhaps less idealist and more pragmatic than you. I am looking at it from love of country and not wishing the sins of the fathers to be visited upon the children. Whomever we elected in place of a Barack Obama would have been better than what I think President Obama intends to do to this country.

At the same time I am frustrated and angry at gutless Republicans who have abandoned most of the principles and values that got them into office in the first place. And I fear the far left Democrats who fully intend to dismantle this country and make it into something unrecognizable.

And I fear that President Obama is the messiah to that latter group.

So yes, I am an enthusiastic Tea Party supporter and participant. And I think we very well may need to create a new party committed to freedom and responsibility and all the values intended by our Founders. But I'm not willing to vote in another Obama just because the GOP sucks.

 

[Terry]

I think we're both preaching to the same choir, Terry, and I think we probably agree on far more than we disagree. I am simply perhaps less idealist and more pragmatic than you. I am looking at it from love of country and not wishing the sins of the fathers to be visited upon the children. Whomever we elected in place of a Barack Obama would have been better than what I think President Obama intends to do to this country.

At the same time I am frustrated and angry at gutless Republicans who have abandoned most of the principles and values that got them into office in the first place. And I fear the far left Democrats who fully intend to dismantle this country and make it into something unrecognizable.

And I fear that President Obama is the messiah to that latter group.

So yes, I am an enthusiastic Tea Party supporter and participant. And I think we very well may need to create a new party committed to freedom and responsibility and all the values intended by our Founders. But I'm not willing to vote in another Obama just because the GOP sucks.

I was where you are at two years ago, and never thought I would see it any other way but here I am.

 

[Ralph]

We were ahead in the presidential race until the litmus test of the stimulus plan showed our resident politicos were retards.

If Obama pulls his head out of his ass and mellows his ham-fisted approach the dems will still have a decent chance, and he could even get a 2nd term.

Personally, I think he's looking for kingship. I think he will self-destruct, and the dem party with him.

Of course, that's what both sides have been saying about each other for the last 20 years. Or more.

And they have BOTH imploded...as both are totally controlled by the FEDERAL RESERVE...the true power in the American Government. Notice how the Bubble suddenly decided to burst just a few weeks before the General Election? Convenient, to say the least.....for those who were looking to change the power structure in this nation......The Reserve must change the appearance of the power structure on occasion and have the two core parties pointing fingers. While back on the farm....the Federal Reserve (or those who control it) are buying up PROPERTY left and right...so to speak, at bargain basement prices...and beginning another BUBBLE that will last for a decade or so....WITHOUT investing one RED CENT (no pun intended) of their own capital to make billions more on the MARKET...all on the TAX PAYER DIME. It does not take a rocket scientist to do the math...when anyone buys LOW and SELLS high, especially without investing any or YOUR OWN funds...there is nothing to be made but PROFIT. Thus, the gullible voters of America that toe any party line are the ones that are destroying this REPUBLIC....one in the name of MARXISM...the other group in the name of GREED....WHILE BOTH ARE BEING MANIPULATED AND LAUGHED AT.

 

[garyd]

Terry if evryone played by your rules we'd always hav e the worst availble candidate for president. You can't avoid the fact that about a 1/3 of the voting public in this country are brain dead leftist idiots who march lockstep to the beat of an insane drummer and another 10-20% seem always to vote for the guy who looks young and hip regardless of what the hell his policies are.

We got McCain for a nominee almost entirely because in too many states - all those with so called open primaries - the people making the selection aren't Republicans.

 

[Terry]

Terry if evryone played by your rules we'd always hav e the worst availble candidate for president. You can't avoid the fact that about a 1/3 of the voting public in this country are brain dead leftist idiots who march lockstep to the beat of an insane drummer and another 10-20% seem always to vote for the guy who looks young and hip regardless of what the hell his policies are.

We got McCain for a nominee almost entirely because in too many states - all those with so called open primaries - the people making the selection aren't Republicans.

Well people can start by voting in local election's, this is where they start.

 

[wimpy77]

as the saying goes its the economy stupid. if it doesn't get better by next years elections dems are toast.

 

[Old Rocks]

However, with the Republicans in control, we wouldn't have the stimulus, cap and trade or this insane health care bill. Wouldn't that be better?

I think we'd have other stuff that would be as bad, like saber rattling at North Korea and Pakistan and other foreign policy stuff that would be ratcheting up aggression globally. We'd also have continued ignorance of the fact that there are problems in the economy. At least with Obama in office, having run on the economy, attention is on it and so something will be done with it.

Figure it this way, the recession started in 12/07 but Bush did squat to fix it except bail out the banks, and McCain thought it was dandy. I doubt they'd be giving it any attention - except maybe more tax breaks for the wealthy, which doesn't make sense to me.

I like cap and trade, personally, being a Cali-girl. Got to g et off fossil fuels, there's no way around it.

Obama's policies, to the extent he has any, with regard to Pakistan and NK are basically the policies Bush left in place. With respect to the economy, no one understood what was happening until the financial crisis struck with full force, not Geithner, who was president of the New York Federal Reserve Bank with oversight responsibilities over the Wall Street firms that crashed, not the Dems in Congress with oversight responsibilities, not Bernanke, who precipitated the crisis by raising interest rates as a precaution against inflation rather than in response to strong data suggesting inflation was a real danger, and certainly not our slogan meister in chief who has been consistently wrong in everything he has said about the economy and whose policies of reckless borrowing and spending have been cited by the Chinese and Germans as posing a threat to the entire global economy.

It may give you some comfort to imagine that this whole mess was just the result of a Republican blooper, but in fact no one in the administration, in Congress, in the Fed, in the financial community or in any of the other governments in the world was able to put together the very public facts about the financial system and foresee the crisis that was coming. That's why its effects were so widespread throughout the global economy and so deep within each of the developed economies. That's why Congress was dumbfounded when Paulson told them that while they were so busy politicking the economy had fallen into a financial crisis that could wipe out our financial system and wreck the real economy and why they issued a collective gasp when he demanded $700 billion from them to buy up the distressed assets that the markets would not longer touch - as it turned out, a small fraction of what would really have been needed. Everyone knew all the facts, but no one was able to come to the right conclusions.

Even if you believe we are in a continuing process of global warning entirely caused by greenhouse gases due to the use of fossil fuels, this cap and trade bill will have such a minor effect on the global output of these gases or even on the per capita output in the US that it will change nothing about global warming even in the most optimistic scenario, but it will raise the cost of electricity to households and to businesses, giving households less money to spend to help revive the economy and causing businesses to raise prices to account for higher overhead costs, making US businesses less competitive, thus costing US jobs, and raising the cost of living even further. This bill is all about politics and ideology and not at all about good outcomes for either the environment or the economy.

But on the factory floor of a steel mill in Oregon, the fellows were discussing whether the Depression would hit before or after the 2008 election in 2007. So all of the people that you state were ignorant of the actual state of the economy are either lying, or stupid. There were economists like Krugman that were predicting a major negative move in the economy well before it happened. Then there was a Republican President and Republican Presidential Candidate stating the soundness of the economy on the Sunday before Meltdown Monday.

Out on the factory floor, we well realize the worst is not yet here, and the only good news is that it is getting worse at a slower rate. Will President Obama's policies work? I don't know, but the policies of people that constantly refuse to recognize reality surely will not work.

 

[Old Rocks]

Terry if evryone played by your rules we'd always hav e the worst availble candidate for president. You can't avoid the fact that about a 1/3 of the voting public in this country are brain dead leftist idiots who march lockstep to the beat of an insane drummer and another 10-20% seem always to vote for the guy who looks young and hip regardless of what the hell his policies are.

We got McCain for a nominee almost entirely because in too many states - all those with so called open primaries - the people making the selection aren't Republicans.