Elected Office Doesn't Come With A Crown

[PoliticalChic]

Was there a single Executive Decision Bush made that wasn't threatened and obstructed by Democrats? A single Appointment? A single Recess Appointment. What people does Obama have on his side outside the Locker Room? Imaginary People? He is a dangerous Person.

The OP chides Democrats because one of them is urging President Obama to go forward with his programs in spite of the recent mid-term elections, which would seem to indicate a surge of public opinion against such action by President Obama. So, it would seem, that conservatives feel that President Obama should back off because public opinion has swung against him.

And now here you come, citing the fact that Bush had opposition to his programs as well (which, of course, he did) and conveniently leaving out that Bush went right ahead anyway. Surely no one can accuse Bush of having been shy about going forward with his agenda in spite of the fact that there was opposition to much of it. Remember - the Decider?

Unless I am missing something here, you might want to leave Bush out of the picture when arguing that Obama is a "dangerous person" because he is being advised to go ahead in spite of public opinion to the contrary.

"Unless I am missing something here...

Yeah, you are Georgie.

This is the exact kind of post I expected form apologists for this administration.

 

[PoliticalChic]

http://dailycaller.com/2010/11/17/podesta-calls-on-obama-to-circumvent-congress/#ixzz15lwHByM5

Podesta calls on Obama to circumvent Congress | The Daily Caller - Breaking News, Opinion, Research, and Entertainment

http://dailycaller.com/2010/11/17/podesta-calls-on-obama-to-circumvent-congress/#ixzz15lwHByM5http://dailycaller.com/2010/11/17/podesta-calls-on-obama-to-circumvent-congress/#ixzz15lwHByM5


Much ado about nothing.

Was there a single Executive Decision Bush made that wasn't threatened and obstructed by Democrats? A single Appointment? A single Recess Appointment. What people does Obama have on his side outside the Locker Room? Imaginary People? He is a dangerous Person.

Yes.


Iraqi invasion, Patriot Act?

Remember those?

"How does one “move the country forward”? In the center’s report, Podesta explains that Obama can use executive orders, rulemaking, and even the armed forces “to accomplish important change” and that such means “should not be underestimated.”

What exactly does Podesta think the president should use such powers to “accomplish”? Among others, the report suggests “job creation,“ ”quality affordable health care,“ ”sustainable security,“ and ”a clean energy future.”

The Center for American Progress is funded by liberal billionaire financier George Soros."
Podesta: Obama Can Use ‘Armed Forces’ to Push Progressive Agenda | The Blaze

 

[Madeline]

http://dailycaller.com/2010/11/17/podesta-calls-on-obama-to-circumvent-congress/#ixzz15lwHByM5

Podesta calls on Obama to circumvent Congress | The Daily Caller - Breaking News, Opinion, Research, and Entertainment

http://dailycaller.com/2010/11/17/podesta-calls-on-obama-to-circumvent-congress/#ixzz15lwHByM5http://dailycaller.com/2010/11/17/podesta-calls-on-obama-to-circumvent-congress/#ixzz15lwHByM5


Much ado about nothing.

Was there a single Executive Decision Bush made that wasn't threatened and obstructed by Democrats? A single Appointment? A single Recess Appointment. What people does Obama have on his side outside the Locker Room? Imaginary People? He is a dangerous Person.

Yes.


Iraqi invasion, Patriot Act?

Remember those?

"How does one “move the country forward”? In the center’s report, Podesta explains that Obama can use executive orders, rulemaking, and even the armed forces “to accomplish important change” and that such means “should not be underestimated.”

What exactly does Podesta think the president should use such powers to “accomplish”? Among others, the report suggests “job creation,“ ”quality affordable health care,“ ”sustainable security,“ and ”a clean energy future.”

The Center for American Progress is funded by liberal billionaire financier George Soros."
Podesta: Obama Can Use ‘Armed Forces’ to Push Progressive Agenda | The Blaze

Bullshit, PC. This is dishonest crap and should be beneath you.

Go read the fucking report and come back with a quote to support this hysterical allegation that anyone suggested Obama use the US military on US soil. You can't, ain't there, and I am a tad miffed you would stoop this low to score cool points offa Obama.

 

[PoliticalChic]

"Remember when the term “unitary executive” got thrown around a lot by the Left as a way to argue that the Bush administration thought itself above the law and above Congress? The criticism fundamentally misunderstood the phrase, but that didn’t keep progressives from arguing that a Republican President was making himself into a dictator through bureaucratic fiat. By golly, the Left — and especially the Center for American Progress, headed by John Podesta — didn’t cotton to the notion that a President could bypass Congress and the normal checks and balances of the federal government.

So when a President acts through executive orders in an area that the Constitution clearly leaves to the executive branch (prosecution of war), that’s a nascent dictatorship. When a President acts through EOs and tells executive-branch agencies to circumvent Congress in areas of its jurisdiction, well, that’s just “mov[ing] the country forward.” Good to know for future reference. Thanks, Mr. Podesta!"
Podesta advises Obama to ignore voters, bypass Congress through agency action Hot Air

 

[PoliticalChic]

http://dailycaller.com/2010/11/17/podesta-calls-on-obama-to-circumvent-congress/#ixzz15lwHByM5


Much ado about nothing.



Yes.


Iraqi invasion, Patriot Act?

Remember those?

"How does one “move the country forward”? In the center’s report, Podesta explains that Obama can use executive orders, rulemaking, and even the armed forces “to accomplish important change” and that such means “should not be underestimated.”

What exactly does Podesta think the president should use such powers to “accomplish”? Among others, the report suggests “job creation,“ ”quality affordable health care,“ ”sustainable security,“ and ”a clean energy future.”

The Center for American Progress is funded by liberal billionaire financier George Soros."
Podesta: Obama Can Use ‘Armed Forces’ to Push Progressive Agenda | The Blaze

Bullshit, PC. This is dishonest crap and should be beneath you.

Go read the fucking report and come back with a quote to support this hysterical allegation that anyone suggested Obama use the US military on US soil. You can't, ain't there, and I am a tad miffed you would stoop this low to score cool points offa Obama.

Clearlly obfuscation is not beneath you.

What is dishonest is your pretending that this kind of suggestion coming from the right wouldn't have blood shooting out of your eyes!


But, cheer up...you get full credit for rule 6b and rule 8 in the playbook!


6. Claim to misunderstand, obfuscate, deflect and change the subject, and, if all else fails, allege that you misspoke.
a. Remember, left-wingers may make a ‘mistake,’ for right-wingers, it is a lie!
b. When relating a series of events that lead to a conclusion, if it is a right-wing conclusion, we must never see the connection!
c. Any exposure of detrimental information must be referred to as either ‘fear-tactics,’ or ‘red-baiting.’
d. No matter how strong the opposition argument or data, always respond with “you falsely claimed…” or “I exposed your lies…” of “I destroyed your argument…” or 'that's just your opinion' etc.

8. Remember to spend appropriate time in front of the mirror practicing outrage, shock, and disbelief, or, and best, a sarcastic sneer.

 

[Madeline]

PC, have you actually read even as much as the Summary, or are you simply repeating the hysteria you read in The Daily Caller?

From the Summary, the goals urged on Obama to be pursued are:

Specifically, in the energy and environmental arena, the president can:

Reduce oil imports and make progress toward energy independence.
Progress toward reducing greenhouse gas pollution by 17 percent by 2020.
Conserve federal lands for future generations.
Manage public lands to support a balanced energy strategy.
Convene and engage hunters and anglers in the development of a fish and wildlife climate adaptation plan.
Generate solar energy on U.S. Air Force hangar roofs.

On the domestic economic policy front, President Obama can:

Direct an assessment, strategy, and new policy development to promote U.S. competitiveness.
Launch the new consumer financial protection bureau with an aggressive agenda to protect and empower consumers.
Increase the capacity of small businesses to expand hiring and purchases by accelerating the implementation of the Small Business Jobs Act.
Promote automatic mediation to avoid foreclosure where possible and speed resolution.
Create a web portal to empower housing counselors, reduce burdens on lenders, and speed up home mortgage modifications.
Help stabilize home values and communities by turning “shadow REO” housing inventory into “scattered site” rental housing.
Promote practices that support working families.

Elsewhere on the domestic policy front, the Obama administration can:

Partner with the private sector in health care payment reform.
Focus on health care prevention in implementing the Affordable Care Act.
Streamline and simplify access to federal antipoverty programs.
Replace costly, inhumane immigration detention policies with equally effective measures.

In the education policy arena, the president can:

Launch an “educational productivity” initiative to help school districts spend every dollar wisely to best prepare our children for the 21st century.
Ensure students can compare financial aid offers from different postsecondary institutions.
Improve the quality, standards, and productivity of postsecondary education.

In improving the performance of the federal government, the president can:

Scrutinize federal spending programs and tax expenditures to achieve greater returns on public investment.
Build the next-generation Recovery.gov web site to track all public expenditures and performance in real time.
Use new information technology for faster, more transparent freedom of information.
Create a virtual U.S. statistical agency.
Collect data on lesbian ,gay, bisexual, and transgender Americans in federal data surveys.

And in the foreign policy and national security arena, the president and his administration can:

Rebalance our Afghanistan strategy with greater emphasis on political and diplomatic progress.
Promote domestic revenue generation in Afghanistan and Pakistan.
Appoint a special envoy for the Horn of Africa and the southwest Arabian Peninsula region.
Appoint a special commission to assess contracting practices in national security and foreign affairs.
Use executive branch authority to mitigate the impact of the “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” policy if Congress does not repeal it.
Redouble support for Palestinian state- and institution-building efforts.
Pursue dual-track policy on Iran while sharpening focus on Iranian human rights issues.
Reinvigorate the U.S.-Turkey strategic alliance. Develop a comprehensive policy on the Russia-Georgia conflict.

This is by no means an exhaustive list of the important policy objectives President Obama can pursue over the next two years, but it illustrates the range of important executive branch work beyond proposing and negotiating legislation.

The Power of the President

Did you by chance notice the following comments also made by John Podesta?

I’m convinced that Americans want the president and the Congress to work together to ensure that judges who populate the federal bench and who serve with life tenure are highly qualified men and women whose views are within the constitutional mainstream,” Podesta said in the April 2005 speech, according to a transcript obtained by The Daily Caller. “The filibuster is a means towards that end. Why? Because it encourages presidents to consult with the Senate and to name moderate, mainstream nominees who will judge cases fairly and without bias, and who will have no difficulty garnering the votes of 60 senators that they need to be confirmed. By removing the safeguard offered by the filibuster, the nuclear option would seriously and perhaps irreparably damage an institution that has functioned since its inception under customs and traditions that ensure an atmosphere of careful deliberation and mutual respect.

Podesta calls on Obama to circumvent Congress | The Daily Caller - Breaking News, Opinion, Research, and Entertainment

If you'd like to discuss the proper use of Executive Orders, I am all ears. If instead, you wanna repeat rightwing hysteria about Obama supporters urging him to "circumvent the constitution", I'm less interested.

And if you repeat this nonsense that anyone has urged Obama to use US troops on US soil, I may hunt you down and set your hair on fire (j/k).

 

[xotoxi]

Former President Bill Clinton’s chief of staff John Podesta, now the head of the Center for American Progress, called on President Obama to push forward with his agenda using federal agencies and executive branch power Tuesday, even though Democrats were dealt a blow in the recent midterm elections. Podesta said the American people want the president to move forward with his agenda.

“I think most of the conversation since the election has been about how President Obama adjusts to the new situation on Capitol Hill,” Podesta said. “While that’s an important conversation, it simply ignores the president’s ability to use all levels of his power and authority to move the country forward.”

Citing his experience in Clinton’s White House after the GOP House takeover of 1994, Podesta said Obama’s administration “can and should take” the specific measures detailed in a report released by the Center for American Progress, utilizing all the tools at its disposal to circumvent Congress in a way to keep his agenda moving forward."

Read more: Podesta calls on Obama to circumvent Congress | The Daily Caller - Breaking News, Opinion, Research, and Entertainment

Help me with this one: would the Army be a 'federal agency'?

Better get those brown shirts out of the closet...

Why do you want your liberal friends to defend what someone else said?

 

[PoliticalChic]

PC, have you actually read even as much as the Summary, or are you simply repeating the hysteria you read in The Daily Caller?

From the Summary, the goals urged on Obama to be pursued are:

Specifically, in the energy and environmental arena, the president can:

Reduce oil imports and make progress toward energy independence.
Progress toward reducing greenhouse gas pollution by 17 percent by 2020.
Conserve federal lands for future generations.
Manage public lands to support a balanced energy strategy.
Convene and engage hunters and anglers in the development of a fish and wildlife climate adaptation plan.
Generate solar energy on U.S. Air Force hangar roofs.

On the domestic economic policy front, President Obama can:

Direct an assessment, strategy, and new policy development to promote U.S. competitiveness.
Launch the new consumer financial protection bureau with an aggressive agenda to protect and empower consumers.
Increase the capacity of small businesses to expand hiring and purchases by accelerating the implementation of the Small Business Jobs Act.
Promote automatic mediation to avoid foreclosure where possible and speed resolution.
Create a web portal to empower housing counselors, reduce burdens on lenders, and speed up home mortgage modifications.
Help stabilize home values and communities by turning “shadow REO” housing inventory into “scattered site” rental housing.
Promote practices that support working families.

Elsewhere on the domestic policy front, the Obama administration can:

Partner with the private sector in health care payment reform.
Focus on health care prevention in implementing the Affordable Care Act.
Streamline and simplify access to federal antipoverty programs.
Replace costly, inhumane immigration detention policies with equally effective measures.

In the education policy arena, the president can:

Launch an “educational productivity” initiative to help school districts spend every dollar wisely to best prepare our children for the 21st century.
Ensure students can compare financial aid offers from different postsecondary institutions.
Improve the quality, standards, and productivity of postsecondary education.

In improving the performance of the federal government, the president can:

Scrutinize federal spending programs and tax expenditures to achieve greater returns on public investment.
Build the next-generation Recovery.gov web site to track all public expenditures and performance in real time.
Use new information technology for faster, more transparent freedom of information.
Create a virtual U.S. statistical agency.
Collect data on lesbian ,gay, bisexual, and transgender Americans in federal data surveys.

And in the foreign policy and national security arena, the president and his administration can:

Rebalance our Afghanistan strategy with greater emphasis on political and diplomatic progress.
Promote domestic revenue generation in Afghanistan and Pakistan.
Appoint a special envoy for the Horn of Africa and the southwest Arabian Peninsula region.
Appoint a special commission to assess contracting practices in national security and foreign affairs.
Use executive branch authority to mitigate the impact of the “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” policy if Congress does not repeal it.
Redouble support for Palestinian state- and institution-building efforts.
Pursue dual-track policy on Iran while sharpening focus on Iranian human rights issues.
Reinvigorate the U.S.-Turkey strategic alliance. Develop a comprehensive policy on the Russia-Georgia conflict.

This is by no means an exhaustive list of the important policy objectives President Obama can pursue over the next two years, but it illustrates the range of important executive branch work beyond proposing and negotiating legislation.

The Power of the President

Did you by chance notice the following comments also made by John Podesta?

I’m convinced that Americans want the president and the Congress to work together to ensure that judges who populate the federal bench and who serve with life tenure are highly qualified men and women whose views are within the constitutional mainstream,” Podesta said in the April 2005 speech, according to a transcript obtained by The Daily Caller. “The filibuster is a means towards that end. Why? Because it encourages presidents to consult with the Senate and to name moderate, mainstream nominees who will judge cases fairly and without bias, and who will have no difficulty garnering the votes of 60 senators that they need to be confirmed. By removing the safeguard offered by the filibuster, the nuclear option would seriously and perhaps irreparably damage an institution that has functioned since its inception under customs and traditions that ensure an atmosphere of careful deliberation and mutual respect.

Podesta calls on Obama to circumvent Congress | The Daily Caller - Breaking News, Opinion, Research, and Entertainment

If you'd like to discuss the proper use of Executive Orders, I am all ears. If instead, you wanna repeat rightwing hysteria about Obama supporters urging him to "circumvent the constitution", I'm less interested.

And if you repeat this nonsense that anyone has urged Obama to use US troops on US soil, I may hunt you down and set your hair on fire (j/k).

I'll see your 'hysteria' card, and play the 'chill' card...

What effect on political discussion does it have for a ...I'll inflate his rep nd call Podesta a respected public official to suggest that the armed forces play any role in countering Congress??

I'll tell you: it chills the discussion and adds an un-American element.

Now I'll tell you what you should have written, rather than the knee-jerk obfuscation: 'while it may not actually suggest that the President call out the military and arrest his political opponents, the Postesta report is ill advised and clumsy....

and some permutation of that.

And that goes for and to every one of the respondents in this thread who did not criticize the report.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Former President Bill Clinton’s chief of staff John Podesta, now the head of the Center for American Progress, called on President Obama to push forward with his agenda using federal agencies and executive branch power Tuesday, even though Democrats were dealt a blow in the recent midterm elections. Podesta said the American people want the president to move forward with his agenda.

“I think most of the conversation since the election has been about how President Obama adjusts to the new situation on Capitol Hill,” Podesta said. “While that’s an important conversation, it simply ignores the president’s ability to use all levels of his power and authority to move the country forward.”

Citing his experience in Clinton’s White House after the GOP House takeover of 1994, Podesta said Obama’s administration “can and should take” the specific measures detailed in a report released by the Center for American Progress, utilizing all the tools at its disposal to circumvent Congress in a way to keep his agenda moving forward."

Read more: Podesta calls on Obama to circumvent Congress | The Daily Caller - Breaking News, Opinion, Research, and Entertainment

Help me with this one: would the Army be a 'federal agency'?

Better get those brown shirts out of the closet...

Why do you want your liberal friends to defend what someone else said?

Toxic, did you see that they did!

 

[xotoxi]

Former President Bill Clinton’s chief of staff John Podesta, now the head of the Center for American Progress, called on President Obama to push forward with his agenda using federal agencies and executive branch power Tuesday, even though Democrats were dealt a blow in the recent midterm elections. Podesta said the American people want the president to move forward with his agenda.

“I think most of the conversation since the election has been about how President Obama adjusts to the new situation on Capitol Hill,” Podesta said. “While that’s an important conversation, it simply ignores the president’s ability to use all levels of his power and authority to move the country forward.”

Citing his experience in Clinton’s White House after the GOP House takeover of 1994, Podesta said Obama’s administration “can and should take” the specific measures detailed in a report released by the Center for American Progress, utilizing all the tools at its disposal to circumvent Congress in a way to keep his agenda moving forward."

Read more: Podesta calls on Obama to circumvent Congress | The Daily Caller - Breaking News, Opinion, Research, and Entertainment

Help me with this one: would the Army be a 'federal agency'?

Better get those brown shirts out of the closet...

Why do you want your liberal friends to defend what someone else said?

Toxic, did you see that they did!

Nah...I didn't read the thread.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Man...it is disheartening the number of people that just don't get it.
I don't have the energy to even explain this as it would do no good.

 

[Nosmo King]

Did Bush threaten to use the army against Americans as Podesta is advising Obama to do?

Jump to many conclusions, or do you just manage to hit the most ridiculous ones?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Why do you want your liberal friends to defend what someone else said?

Toxic, did you see that they did!

Nah...I didn't read the thread.

Tox...did you see the vid of the Cornell prof going bananas?

It was you who yawned, wasn't it...

 

[Truthmatters]

Obama is allowed to use his office in any way it is legal.

That is more than Bush did, He lied to the american people and outed our own agents for political gain and to create a war built on lies.

 

[Intense]

Obama is allowed to use his office in any way it is legal.

That is more than Bush did, He lied to the american people and outed our own agents for political gain and to create a war built on lies.

Good one!!!

 

[DaGoose]

Obama is allowed to use his office in any way it is legal.

That is more than Bush did, He lied to the american people and outed our own agents for political gain and to create a war built on lies.

And I'm still waiting for my Conservative friends to defend THAT.

 

[Intense]

Obama is allowed to use his office in any way it is legal.

That is more than Bush did, He lied to the american people and outed our own agents for political gain and to create a war built on lies.

And I'm still waiting for my Conservative friends to defend THAT.

Which part, the part where Bush tripped all over himself like a Jackass trying to satisfy an unsatisfiable Left????? I totally agree, it was a waste of time and effort. Pissing into the wind, for all the good it did. He should have leaned in the Conservative direction. He should have been less intimidated when it came to Appointments as well. He should have ignored the Bullshit accusations and threats coming from the Left in relation to Recess Appointments too. You have put so much effort into criticizing and complaining, yet have no capacity to govern. Jack Ass City.

 

[Care4all]

The OP chides Democrats because one of them is urging President Obama to go forward with his programs in spite of the recent mid-term elections, which would seem to indicate a surge of public opinion against such action by President Obama. So, it would seem, that conservatives feel that President Obama should back off because public opinion has swung against him.

And now here you come, citing the fact that Bush had opposition to his programs as well (which, of course, he did) and conveniently leaving out that Bush went right ahead anyway. Surely no one can accuse Bush of having been shy about going forward with his agenda in spite of the fact that there was opposition to much of it. Remember - the Decider?

Unless I am missing something here, you might want to leave Bush out of the picture when arguing that Obama is a "dangerous person" because he is being advised to go ahead in spite of public opinion to the contrary.

bush had a 28% approval rating and acted like he had a mandate.

i love the double standard.

So....which admin official proposed that he 'circumvent Congress' using all federal agencies?
The Army is a federal agency.

Care to actually refer to the OP?

The Army IS NOT a Federal AGENCY????? It is the Military. Sheesh!

the CIA is an agency, the FBI is an agency, the Office of management and Budget is an agency, the Tennessee Valley Authority is an agency, the Census Bureau is an agency

The Military is not.

FAIL....on that one!

 

[Si modo]

bush had a 28% approval rating and acted like he had a mandate.

i love the double standard.

So....which admin official proposed that he 'circumvent Congress' using all federal agencies?
The Army is a federal agency.

Care to actually refer to the OP?

The Army IS NOT a Federal AGENCY????? It is the Military. Sheesh!

the CIA is an agency, the FBI is an agency, the Office of management and Budget is an agency, the Tennessee Valley Authority is an agency, the Census Bureau is an agency

The Military is not.

FAIL....on that one!

Actually, the Army is part of a department, which in turn is part of the Executive Branch and commanded by that branch, alone.

Around here, agency and department are often interchangeable terms.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Obama is allowed to use his office in any way it is legal.

That is more than Bush did, He lied to the american people and outed our own agents for political gain and to create a war built on lies.

Did President Obama tell fibs?
1. transparency
2. “Lobbyists won’t work in my White House!“
3. signing statements
4. keep unemployment to less than 8% if stimulus passed
5. more jobs will be in the private sector
6. healthcare bill will cost less than $1 trillion
7. bills will be debated on c-span
8. close Gitmo
9. Troops out of Iraq by end of 2009
10. Ban earmarks: The first spending bill he signed had over 9,000 earmarks.
11. Won’t force Americans to buy insurance: “Under my plan, individuals will be required to carry basic health insurance.”
12.Bills will be put on line so you have five days to read them: He broke that promise when he singed his first bill, the Fair Pay Act. He's broken it since, for instance on the Credit Card Bill of Rights and an expansion of the State Children's Health Insurance Program.
13. Cutting spending:
On the campaign trail, Obama promised to cut spending several times. In the second presidential debate, he said that “actually, I am cutting more than I’m spending. So it will be a net spending cut.”
In the third debate, he reiterated: “what I've done throughout this campaign is to propose a net spending cut.”

14. Allow importation of prescription drugs.
15. Support human mission to moon by 2020
16. "I can make a firm pledge. Under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes."

17. “Somebody like Khalid Sheik Mohammad is gonna get basically, a full military trial with all the bells and whistles.” September 27, 2006
18. “Yesterday, Jim, the head of Caterpillar, said that if Congress passes our plan, this company will be able to rehire some of the folks who were just laid off.”


Can you add some more?