Einstein on Corporations

[uscitizen]

"The result of these developments is an oligarchy of private capital the enormous power of which cannot be effectively checked even by a democratically organized political society.

"This is true since the members of legislative bodies are selected by political parties, largely financed or otherwise influenced by private capitalists who, for all practical purposes, separate the electorate from the legislature.

"The consequence is that the representatives of the people do not in fact sufficiently protect the interests of the underprivileged sections of the population.

"Moreover, under existing conditions, private capitalists inevitably control, directly or indirectly, the main sources of information (press, radio, education). It is thus extremely difficult, and indeed in most cases quite impossible, for the intelligent use of his political rights. — Albert Einstein, Monthly Review, May 1949."

"Unequal Protection": The People's Masters | Truthout

If Einstein thought the situation was grim in 1949, what would he have to say about Citizens United or the state of Tennessee's current plot to allow corporations to contribute directly to politicians?

why would anyone listen to what another eggeheade liberal has to say vs what Glenn Beck has to say?

 

[uscitizen]

Einstein's opinions about corporations are about as useful as Michael Jordan's opinions on underwear.

LOL, see what I mean?

 

[bripat9643]

why would anyone listen to what another eggeheade liberal has to say vs what Glenn Beck has to say?

Einstein was a physicist, not an economist. I highly recommend him if you have a question about physics. However, I've read a lot of his ideas about economics and society, and he is a class A numbskull on those subjects.

 

[uscitizen]

why would anyone listen to what another eggeheade liberal has to say vs what Glenn Beck has to say?

Einstein was a physicist, not an economist. I highly recommend him if you have a question about physics. However, I've read a lot of his ideas about economics and society, and he is a class A numbskull on those subjects.

And Beck is what?
An economist?
Experienced politician?
no and no.

Seems like he is an ex alkie college dropout?

 

[bripat9643]

And Beck is what?
An economist?
Experienced politician?
no and no.

Seems like he is an ex alkie college dropout?

Where did I mention Glenn Beck?

 

[georgephillip]

Do you agree with the great physicist when he says that "members of legislative bodies are selected by political parties, largely financed or otherwise influenced by private capitalists"?

If that were true, then we wouldn't have welfare, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid or 10,000 other government programs.

Does that pose any threat to Democracy?

Democracy is a threat to itself. It's a self limiting disease. Every Democracy ever conceived has imploded within a few generations.

When Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid came into existence the US class war looked much different than it does today. The richest 1% of Americans controlled about one-third as much of our national wealth as they currently do, and the crimes of the rich that lead to the Great Depression were still vividly in place in most voters' minds.

Since the passage of Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, along with the demise of organized labor's political influence, Democrats have joined the Republican stampede to make the world safe for capital at the expense of labor.

The Great '08 bail-out being the most glaring and recent example.

Can you site a few examples of Democracy's implosion "within a few generations?"

 

[georgephillip]

Einstein's opinions about corporations are about as useful as Michael Jordan's opinions on underwear.

"Private capital tends to become concentrated in few hands, partly because of competition among the capitalists, and partly because technological development and the increasing division of labor encourage the formation of larger units of production at the expense of the smaller ones.

"The result of these developments is an oligarchy of private capital the enormous power of which cannot be effectively checked even by a democratically organized political society."

Do you see any errors in this example of Einstein's corporate opinions?

btw, Jordan's a rich slave willing to say anything he is paid to say.
Just like Oprah.
Or Obama.

Einstein's opinions were never based on "brand value".

"Unequal Protection": The People's Masters | Truthout

 

[Gadawg73]

Corporations would not exist with out making profits
The Welfare of humanity is for society (all citizens)
Freedom of speech is for all, if unions can run political ads so can corporations

Corporations are creatures of the state.

At the very least you should be willing to look at some corporate history before defending the institution:

"Railroads were the leaders in the movement of monopoly grants, convincing lawmakers to use the government’s power of eminent domain to seize land from farmers and settlers and grant it, free, to the railroads, to provide convenient and financially low-risk rights-of-way.

"In just seven years after 1850, more than 25 million acres of land were given to railroads, and often it was alleged to be the consequence of bribes.

"For example, the LaCrosse and Milwaukee Railroad in Wisconsin passed out $900,000 worth of stocks and bonds to the governor, thirteen senators, and fifty-nine assemblymen...and soon after received a million acres in free land and freedom from competition."

"Unequal Protection": The People's Masters | Truthout

So the State owns my 3 corporations and all others?

 

[Gadawg73]

Do you agree with the great physicist when he says that "members of legislative bodies are selected by political parties, largely financed or otherwise influenced by private capitalists"?

If that were true, then we wouldn't have welfare, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid or 10,000 other government programs.

Does that pose any threat to Democracy?

Democracy is a threat to itself. It's a self limiting disease. Every Democracy ever conceived has imploded within a few generations.

When Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid came into existence the US class war looked much different than it does today. The richest 1% of Americans controlled about one-third as much of our national wealth as they currently do, and the crimes of the rich that lead to the Great Depression were still vividly in place in most voters' minds.

Since the passage of Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, along with the demise of organized labor's political influence, Democrats have joined the Republican stampede to make the world safe for capital at the expense of labor.

The Great '08 bail-out being the most glaring and recent example.

Can you site a few examples of Democracy's implosion "within a few generations?"

Without capital how does one start a business?

 

[georgephillip]

"The result of these developments is an oligarchy of private capital the enormous power of which cannot be effectively checked even by a democratically organized political society.

"This is true since the members of legislative bodies are selected by political parties, largely financed or otherwise influenced by private capitalists who, for all practical purposes, separate the electorate from the legislature.

"The consequence is that the representatives of the people do not in fact sufficiently protect the interests of the underprivileged sections of the population.

"Moreover, under existing conditions, private capitalists inevitably control, directly or indirectly, the main sources of information (press, radio, education). It is thus extremely difficult, and indeed in most cases quite impossible, for the intelligent use of his political rights. — Albert Einstein, Monthly Review, May 1949."

"Unequal Protection": The People's Masters | Truthout

If Einstein thought the situation was grim in 1949, what would he have to say about Citizens United or the state of Tennessee's current plot to allow corporations to contribute directly to politicians?

why would anyone listen to what another eggeheade liberal has to say vs what Glenn Beck has to say?

Beck's a god. Just ask him.

Einstein was a patent clerk.

Chomsky is a language teacher.

Obviously the Know Nothing Movement has staged its renaissance.

 

[bripat9643]

When Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid came into existence the US class war looked much different than it does today. The richest 1% of Americans controlled about one-third as much of our national wealth as they currently do, and the crimes of the rich that lead to the Great Depression were still vividly in place in most voters' minds.

Since the passage of Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, along with the demise of organized labor's political influence, Democrats have joined the Republican stampede to make the world safe for capital at the expense of labor.

Thanks for the libtard propaganda, but we've all heard it 10,000 times already.

The Great '08 bail-out being the most glaring and recent example.

Can you site a few examples of Democracy's implosion "within a few generations?"

Here's a partial list of democracies that collapsed into despotism in a few generations, or in some cases, in a matter of a few months:

Athens, Sparta, all the other Greek democracies, Rome, Venice, Florence, Poland, France,Corsican Republic, Hatia, Russia in 1917, Portugal, Spain, Romania, Austria, Italy, the Wiemar Republic, every country in Latin America, Rhodesia, South Africa, every other former colony in Africa, Indonesia, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh

 

[bripat9643]

"Private capital tends to become concentrated in few hands, partly because of competition among the capitalists, and partly because technological development and the increasing division of labor encourage the formation of larger units of production at the expense of the smaller ones.

"The result of these developments is an oligarchy of private capital the enormous power of which cannot be effectively checked even by a democratically organized political society."

Marxism was exposed as quackery 100 years ago. Yet, here you are regurgitating the theories enunciated in Das Kaptial.

Do you see any errors in this example of Einstein's corporate opinions?

Certainly: they are pure Marxism, just like the idiocy you posted here.

 

[whitehall]

Interesting that the father of the Atomic Bomb considered enormous power to be jobs and money in the hands of corporations. Personally I don't give a damn what Einstein thought about corporations 3/4 of a century ago. I'm interested in what the Obama administration thinks about capitalism. It would be so much easier for Americans to make a choice in 2012 if Obama and Gore and the rest of the neo-socialists just came out and admitted it.

 

[georgephillip]

Corporations would not exist with out making profits
The Welfare of humanity is for society (all citizens)
Freedom of speech is for all, if unions can run political ads so can corporations

Corporations are creatures of the state.

At the very least you should be willing to look at some corporate history before defending the institution:

"Railroads were the leaders in the movement of monopoly grants, convincing lawmakers to use the government’s power of eminent domain to seize land from farmers and settlers and grant it, free, to the railroads, to provide convenient and financially low-risk rights-of-way.

"In just seven years after 1850, more than 25 million acres of land were given to railroads, and often it was alleged to be the consequence of bribes.

"For example, the LaCrosse and Milwaukee Railroad in Wisconsin passed out $900,000 worth of stocks and bonds to the governor, thirteen senators, and fifty-nine assemblymen...and soon after received a million acres in free land and freedom from competition."

"Unequal Protection": The People's Masters | Truthout

So the State owns my 3 corporations and all others?

"A corporation is a legal entity that is created under the laws of a state designed to establish the entity as a separate legal entity having its own privileges and liabilities distinct from those of its members."

Without the state, corporations would not exist.
Corporate ownership is a separate issue.

Corporation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Gadawg73]

Corporations are creatures of the state.

At the very least you should be willing to look at some corporate history before defending the institution:

"Railroads were the leaders in the movement of monopoly grants, convincing lawmakers to use the government’s power of eminent domain to seize land from farmers and settlers and grant it, free, to the railroads, to provide convenient and financially low-risk rights-of-way.

"In just seven years after 1850, more than 25 million acres of land were given to railroads, and often it was alleged to be the consequence of bribes.

"For example, the LaCrosse and Milwaukee Railroad in Wisconsin passed out $900,000 worth of stocks and bonds to the governor, thirteen senators, and fifty-nine assemblymen...and soon after received a million acres in free land and freedom from competition."

"Unequal Protection": The People's Masters | Truthout

So the State owns my 3 corporations and all others?

"A corporation is a legal entity that is created under the laws of a state designed to establish the entity as a separate legal entity having its own privileges and liabilities distinct from those of its members."

Without the state, corporations would not exist.
Corporate ownership is a separate issue.

Corporation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Most importantly, without PRIVATE CAPITAL AND PEOPLE, corporations would not exist.
The state is seperate issue.

 

[georgephillip]

If that were true, then we wouldn't have welfare, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid or 10,000 other government programs.



Democracy is a threat to itself. It's a self limiting disease. Every Democracy ever conceived has imploded within a few generations.

When Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid came into existence the US class war looked much different than it does today. The richest 1% of Americans controlled about one-third as much of our national wealth as they currently do, and the crimes of the rich that lead to the Great Depression were still vividly in place in most voters' minds.

Since the passage of Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, along with the demise of organized labor's political influence, Democrats have joined the Republican stampede to make the world safe for capital at the expense of labor.

The Great '08 bail-out being the most glaring and recent example.

Can you site a few examples of Democracy's implosion "within a few generations?"

Without capital how does one start a business?

You already appreciate the answer to your question far more than I.

How do you start a business without labor.

"Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration.
Abraham Lincoln

Labor is prior to, and... at BrainyQuote

 

[bripat9643]

You already appreciate the answer to your question far more than I.

How do you start a business without labor.

"Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration.
Abraham Lincoln

Labor is prior to, and... at BrainyQuote

Did you know that Joseph Stalin and Adolph Hitler both admired Lincoln? That's because he was a tyrant who made war on his own people, built Gulags and threw innocent civilians into them, and shutdown over 300 newspapers simply for criticizing his administration.

Lincoln was the original totalitarian dictator. He showed them all how to do it.

 

[georgephillip]

Interesting that the father of the Atomic Bomb considered enormous power to be jobs and money in the hands of corporations. Personally I don't give a damn what Einstein thought about corporations 3/4 of a century ago. I'm interested in what the Obama administration thinks about capitalism. It would be so much easier for Americans to make a choice in 2012 if Obama and Gore and the rest of the neo-socialists just came out and admitted it.

If Obama is a socialist, why haven't any Wall Street execs been indicted for securities or control fraud?

Why did Goldman Sachs give a socialist more money in 2008 than it gave his "war hero" opponent?

A socialist would have begun the health care debate by proposing to remove three words from the original 1965 Medicare Act.

Citizens over sixty five
Would have become
Citizens. Period.

Obama's a socialist in the same way John McCain is a war hero.

 

[georgephillip]

You already appreciate the answer to your question far more than I.

How do you start a business without labor.

"Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration.
Abraham Lincoln

Labor is prior to, and... at BrainyQuote

Did you know that Joseph Stalin and Adolph Hitler both admired Lincoln? That's because he was a tyrant who made war on his own people, built Gulags and threw innocent civilians into them, and shutdown over 300 newspapers simply for criticizing his administration.

Lincoln was the original totalitarian dictator. He showed them all how to do it.

How did the "Slave Power" feel about Lincoln?

"The Slave Power was not made up exclusively of slave-holders and slave traders.

"The term referred to the utter domination of the nation's political and economic interests by a cabal of rich planters and merchants profiting off the trade in slaves and slave-produced commodities, along with their henchmen in the courts, executive offices, and legislators at the state and federal level.

"Think of it as the military-industrial complex of its day.

Rich Broderick: Slave Power Shall Rise Again

 

[georgephillip]

So the State owns my 3 corporations and all others?

"A corporation is a legal entity that is created under the laws of a state designed to establish the entity as a separate legal entity having its own privileges and liabilities distinct from those of its members."

Without the state, corporations would not exist.
Corporate ownership is a separate issue.

Corporation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Most importantly, without PRIVATE CAPITAL AND PEOPLE, corporations would not exist.
The state is seperate issue.

Does private capital exist without the state?