Egypt, Iraq and why Republicans should never be involved in US foreign policy

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    Here is a report from the, "Center for Strategic and International Studies" on Iraq all the way back from 2004. Even back then, Iraqis felt humiliated by the invasion. The majority wanted a strong leader for life. They feel the need for a "religious type" government.

    http://csis.org/files/media/csis/pubs/iraq_oneyearon.pdf

    Since that time, working with the Republicans, they have written Islam into the constitution as the national religion (Article 2), codified the law that makes "Islam" the law. And enslaved their women with no hope of freedom for at least generations.

    Once Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani goes, Iraq will once again enter a period of "free for all" until another Ayatollah takes charge.

    You had recent demonstrations in Iran and now Egypt.

    This is the problem with Republicans: They assume that since these people "demonstrate", they must want Democracy like ours.

    First, they didn't in Iraq. If Iraq was such a success, why no "America Appreciation Day"? Why can't the right wing answer that simple, direct and straight forward question? Nearly 50 thousand Americans died and were maimed in Iraq, trillions spent and two countries devastated. Why does Iraq hate our guts? Where is the success?

    Forget why we destroyed Iraq and removed their government. Forget, "Democrats supported the invasion". The "real" question is, "Why no America Appreciation Day" for what the Republican led administration did to Iraq? .

    And now, we have a studied and thoughtful response. There are no demonstrations of "Death to America". Obama has done a great job of "keeping the focus" off us.

    Obama understands that just because Egypt is demonstrating, that doesn't mean they want "US type democracy". Considering his vast experience in both this culture and other cultures around the world, Obama is perfectly suited to manage America's affairs in this situation. Could you imagine "Bomb bomb bomb....bomb bomb Iran" John McCain as president? Or Sarah "I can see Alaska" Palin as president? Or a Republican leadership that believe in "Noah's Ark" and "Magical Creation"? What if they tried to bring about Armageddon to bring Jesus back? If they believe in "Noah's Ark", you can't be sure what they might actually do. People with this kind of religious background will find "logic" if they think they are doing it for "Gawd".

    And that's why it all goes back to in the Middle East - religion.

    So these are the reasons Republicans should not be involved in foreign policy, especially if it's in the Middle East:

    1. They don't really care that they don't know anything or understand the issues.

    2. They believe they know better than those brown sand dwellers, camel jockeys or whatever the Republicans are currently calling them.

    3. They have no respect for Islam.

    4. Republicans never ask, "What do YOU want?", because they are "telling" you what you want.

    5. The Republican answer to everything "foreign policy disputes" is "bomb the hell out of them" and "invade".

    6. Republicans in this country hate our own government. Why they keep trying to "export" it makes no sense at all. That is the real "Number ONE" question. If Republicans hate our own government, why keep trying to make other countries follow the same type of government?
     
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    Good grief, you really don't care how stupid you make yourself look, do you?
     
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    As long as I'm telling the truth, that's all that matters.

    Bomb bomb bomb......bomb bomb Iran
     
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    It's not the truth though. It's partisan hyperbole.... you clearly either didn't read the report or didn't understand it.

    And, FYI, taking a silly joke from a politician as some kind of justification for your stupidity is... well.... just further demonstrating your stupidity. You embarrass the left, rdean.
     
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    Republicans have the answer

    Diplomacy is for pussies
     
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    There is a old old profession that takes the truth and disassembles it to make it more convenient for a preferred position,,, the Greeks called that cult Sophists,,, they knew no truth they only held positions and all truth was made to conform to their "truth".
    Most who post on these forums are sophist in some way,,, my truth is not the only truth,,, but it's probably as close as you are ever going to get from a fine figure of a man of sterling character and impeccable taste,,,, who needs a shower and a shave.
     
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    If you'd like to provide the context for that, I'd like to see it. Personally, I think there is overwhelming evidence to suggest that neither party is exactly great when it comes to diplomacy.
     
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    Republicans have the answer

    Diplomacy is for pussies


    I think he means pat'm on the head til their pants fall off.
     
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    The corollary is American Exceptionalism

    The rest of the world needs to understand that we are inherently good and will do what is best for them. Those who oppose need to be ridiculed as defeatists and cowards
     
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    Why? You rarely provide any context for what you say. It's difficult to read most of the time except when you keep it short. Some of your dissertations tend to meander into delusion bordering on derangement.
     

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