EEOC: High School Diploma Requirement Discriminatory

[JimBowie1958]

EEOC: High school diploma requirement might violate Americans with Disabilities Act - Washington Times

Employers are facing more uncertainty in the wake of a letter from the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission warning them that requiring a high school diploma from a job applicant might violate the Americans with Disabilities Act.

The development also has some wondering whether the agency’s advice will result in an educational backlash by creating less of an incentive for some high school students to graduate.

The “informal discussion letter” from the EEOC said an employer’s requirement of a high school diploma, long a standard criterion for screening potential employees, must be “job-related for the position in question and consistent with business necessity.” The letter was posted on the commission’s website on Dec. 2.

Employers could run afoul of the ADA if their requirement of a high school diploma “‘screens out’ an individual who is unable to graduate because of a learning disability that meets the ADA’s definition of ‘disability,’” the EEOC explained.

Are these people absolutely INSANE?

No, it is the logical consequence of denying the principle of justifiable discrimination. If I have a serious health problem, I look for the best doctor and so I discriminate on the basis of the doctors education level, his specialisation, and other less objective things like how he talks to me. That is discriminating against rude, uneducated doctors of specialties other than what I want. No one seems, at least today, to cast doubt on the right to be discriminatory in that sense.

But the prevailing view of discrimination is that there should be none on the part of employers, and that is stupid. If they discriminate on the basis of things that are not relevant to the job considered, then that is wrong. But if the factor they discriminate with regard to does have relevance to the job at hand, then they *should* discriminate.

Taking this logic to further extremes, it wont be long till medical schools cant discriminate against poor students because they dont have the same mental capabilities as those who do have the grades needed.

Again, to require employers tro hire high school drop outs is INSANE and another example of when the government should butt out of peoples business.

 

[Charles_Main]

EEOC: High school diploma requirement might violate Americans with Disabilities Act - Washington Times

Employers are facing more uncertainty in the wake of a letter from the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission warning them that requiring a high school diploma from a job applicant might violate the Americans with Disabilities Act.

The development also has some wondering whether the agency’s advice will result in an educational backlash by creating less of an incentive for some high school students to graduate.

The “informal discussion letter” from the EEOC said an employer’s requirement of a high school diploma, long a standard criterion for screening potential employees, must be “job-related for the position in question and consistent with business necessity.” The letter was posted on the commission’s website on Dec. 2.

Employers could run afoul of the ADA if their requirement of a high school diploma “‘screens out’ an individual who is unable to graduate because of a learning disability that meets the ADA’s definition of ‘disability,’” the EEOC explained.

Are these people absolutely INSANE?

yes

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Wouldn't it be nice having a d student performing your open heart surgery. Yep, just what we need, the dullest of the dull.

 

[jillian]

since the wash times and rev moon never get anything right, i'd put money on this being mischaracterized and this being more fauxrage from the right.

i'd assume that the letter, which is for discussion purposes only and not binding, might have said that such a requirement *might* be considered discriminatory under certain circumstances. not having seen the letter and reading only the moonie's assertions, it's impossible to tell what was actually said.

loons.

 

[Full-Auto]

EEOC: High school diploma requirement might violate Americans with Disabilities Act - Washington Times

Employers are facing more uncertainty in the wake of a letter from the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission warning them that requiring a high school diploma from a job applicant might violate the Americans with Disabilities Act.

The development also has some wondering whether the agency’s advice will result in an educational backlash by creating less of an incentive for some high school students to graduate.

The “informal discussion letter” from the EEOC said an employer’s requirement of a high school diploma, long a standard criterion for screening potential employees, must be “job-related for the position in question and consistent with business necessity.” The letter was posted on the commission’s website on Dec. 2.

Employers could run afoul of the ADA if their requirement of a high school diploma “‘screens out’ an individual who is unable to graduate because of a learning disability that meets the ADA’s definition of ‘disability,’” the EEOC explained.

Are these people absolutely INSANE?

No, it is the logical consequence of denying the principle of justifiable discrimination. If I have a serious health problem, I look for the best doctor and so I discriminate on the basis of the doctors education level, his specialisation, and other less objective things like how he talks to me. That is discriminating against rude, uneducated doctors of specialties other than what I want. No one seems, at least today, to cast doubt on the right to be discriminatory in that sense.

But the prevailing view of discrimination is that there should be none on the part of employers, and that is stupid. If they discriminate on the basis of things that are not relevant to the job considered, then that is wrong. But if the factor they discriminate with regard to does have relevance to the job at hand, then they *should* discriminate.

Taking this logic to further extremes, it wont be long till medical schools cant discriminate against poor students because they dont have the same mental capabilities as those who do have the grades needed.

Again, to require employers tro hire high school drop outs is INSANE and another example of when the government should butt out of peoples business.

My first reaction was laughter..............

Oh brother.....


About 6 years ago I hired a young carpenter, wore glasses. We were sheeting a deck, walking across open Joist. The guy miss stepped and experienced the nut crusher. I let him shake it off and about 20 minutes latter, the nut crusher again. I asked him if he could see alright, when he responded he was legally blind.

 

[JimBowie1958]

since the wash times and rev moon never get anything right, i'd put money on this being mischaracterized and this being more fauxrage from the right.

i'd assume that the letter, which is for discussion purposes only and not binding, might have said that such a requirement *might* be considered discriminatory under certain circumstances. not having seen the letter and reading only the moonie's assertions, it's impossible to tell what was actually said.

loons.

Wow, you really do seem to have a deep-seated bigotry against the Reve Moon's denomination of faith.

How long have you been such a hater?

 

[occupied]

since the wash times and rev moon never get anything right, i'd put money on this being mischaracterized and this being more fauxrage from the right.

i'd assume that the letter, which is for discussion purposes only and not binding, might have said that such a requirement *might* be considered discriminatory under certain circumstances. not having seen the letter and reading only the moonie's assertions, it's impossible to tell what was actually said.

loons.

Wow, you really do seem to have a deep-seated bigotry against the Reve Moon's denomination of faith.

How long have you been such a hater?

Reverend Moon is one of the most heinous scumbags the world has ever known. Bigotry? No, it is not possible to despise that man and his cult enough.

 

[DaGoose]

EEOC: High school diploma requirement might violate Americans with Disabilities Act - Washington Times

Employers are facing more uncertainty in the wake of a letter from the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission warning them that requiring a high school diploma from a job applicant might violate the Americans with Disabilities Act.

The development also has some wondering whether the agency’s advice will result in an educational backlash by creating less of an incentive for some high school students to graduate.

The “informal discussion letter” from the EEOC said an employer’s requirement of a high school diploma, long a standard criterion for screening potential employees, must be “job-related for the position in question and consistent with business necessity.” The letter was posted on the commission’s website on Dec. 2.

Employers could run afoul of the ADA if their requirement of a high school diploma “‘screens out’ an individual who is unable to graduate because of a learning disability that meets the ADA’s definition of ‘disability,’” the EEOC explained.

Are these people absolutely INSANE?

No, it is the logical consequence of denying the principle of justifiable discrimination. If I have a serious health problem, I look for the best doctor and so I discriminate on the basis of the doctors education level, his specialisation, and other less objective things like how he talks to me. That is discriminating against rude, uneducated doctors of specialties other than what I want. No one seems, at least today, to cast doubt on the right to be discriminatory in that sense.

But the prevailing view of discrimination is that there should be none on the part of employers, and that is stupid. If they discriminate on the basis of things that are not relevant to the job considered, then that is wrong. But if the factor they discriminate with regard to does have relevance to the job at hand, then they *should* discriminate.

Taking this logic to further extremes, it wont be long till medical schools cant discriminate against poor students because they dont have the same mental capabilities as those who do have the grades needed.

Again, to require employers tro hire high school drop outs is INSANE and another example of when the government should butt out of peoples business.

That's good news for the typical red state GOP voter!!

 

[The Rabbi]

Tom Lehrer joked in one of his albums that the Army reached the pinnacle in not only not discriminating based on race creed and color but also ability.
Yesterday's joke is today's Leftism.

 

[The Rabbi]

since the wash times and rev moon never get anything right, i'd put money on this being mischaracterized and this being more fauxrage from the right.

i'd assume that the letter, which is for discussion purposes only and not binding, might have said that such a requirement *might* be considered discriminatory under certain circumstances. not having seen the letter and reading only the moonie's assertions, it's impossible to tell what was actually said.

loons.

Wow, you really do seem to have a deep-seated bigotry against the Reve Moon's denomination of faith.

How long have you been such a hater?

Reverend Moon is one of the most heinous scumbags the world has ever known. Bigotry? No, it is not possible to despise that man and his cult enough.

We said the same about Jesus.

 

[occupied]

Wow, you really do seem to have a deep-seated bigotry against the Reve Moon's denomination of faith.

How long have you been such a hater?

Reverend Moon is one of the most heinous scumbags the world has ever known. Bigotry? No, it is not possible to despise that man and his cult enough.

We said the same about Jesus.

Make a topic defending Rev. Moon if you are willing to defend him because I absolutely love tearing into him.

 

[pegwinn]

since the wash times and rev moon never get anything right, i'd put money on this being mischaracterized and this being more fauxrage from the right.

i'd assume that the letter, which is for discussion purposes only and not binding, might have said that such a requirement *might* be considered discriminatory under certain circumstances. not having seen the letter and reading only the moonie's assertions, it's impossible to tell what was actually said.

loons.

Good point. It might be worth a minute to google it up and see what else there is. Edited to add: Google is done. I found out that it's ok to discriminate against smokers but not stupid people.

Wow, you really do seem to have a deep-seated bigotry against the Reve Moon's denomination of faith.

How long have you been such a hater?

That was funny.

Tom Lehrer joked in one of his albums that the Army reached the pinnacle in not only not discriminating based on race creed and color but also ability.
Yesterday's joke is today's Leftism.

Marines use a lot of Army and Air Force TM''s/TO's. I was told that they were deliberately written at about a third grade level from back in the day when a HS diploma was not required. Because that was the average reading comprehension level.

In all seriousness, the .gov gets too deep into the "discrimination" game. It seems to hurt the ones they want to protect as well by continuing the whole bad vibes thing.

To hire someone you can beat the .gov by using tests with objective scoring. Simply interview the top 10% scoring applicants and make the call.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Are these people absolutely INSANE?

No, but you’re exhibiting your ignorance of the issue.

As I noted in the other thread on the same subject:

The ADA requires that ‘reasonable accommodations’ be made in the workplace to allow those with disabilities employment, it’s doesn’t require employers to change hiring standards. This could include making sure the workplace is wheelchair accessible, that chairs, workstations, and the like can be designed to address a given disability, or working hours adjusted to allow the employee to realize needed treatment with medical providers.

And there must be documentation with regard to disability.

Consequently, employers may continue the high school diploma/GED requirement. Should someone with a learning disability unable to obtain a high school diploma apply for a job, the employer need only accommodate that condition. Since the learning disability can be documented by medical professionals, the high school requirement can be waived for that candidate.

Indeed, those with learning disabilities are likely in a special or alternate education program designed to provide them the best education possible their condition can accommodate. Records and documents with regard to attendance in such a program may be used in place of a high school diploma.

Again, to require employers tro hire high school drop outs is INSANE and another example of when the government should butt out of peoples business.

As you can see that’s not the case. And the government isn’t requiring employers to hire high school drop outs, as the issue pertains only to those who may not be able to obtain a diploma due to a learning disability.

As in the other thread, this is a non-issue.

 

[pegwinn]

Consequently, employers may continue the high school diploma/GED requirement. Should someone with a learning disability unable to obtain a high school diploma apply for a job, the employer need only accommodate that condition. Since the learning disability can be documented by medical professionals, the high school requirement can be waived for that candidate.

How does one accommodate someone who isn't intellectually able to do the job?

I'm not trying to start any shit here.

My job requires that you be able to read and write at a certain level to document equipment operating parameters in detail. You have to understand the physics of heat transfer above and beyond HS but not quite college degree level.

If we rearrange the job to accommodate someone who could not graduate high school for whatever reason then the efficiency of the plant as well as safety could be compromised.

 

[JimBowie1958]

since the wash times and rev moon never get anything right, i'd put money on this being mischaracterized and this being more fauxrage from the right.

i'd assume that the letter, which is for discussion purposes only and not binding, might have said that such a requirement *might* be considered discriminatory under certain circumstances. not having seen the letter and reading only the moonie's assertions, it's impossible to tell what was actually said.

loons.

Wow, you really do seem to have a deep-seated bigotry against the Reve Moon's denomination of faith.

How long have you been such a hater?

Reverend Moon is one of the most heinous scumbags the world has ever known. Bigotry? No, it is not possible to despise that man and his cult enough.

When someone extends that hatred to third parties not in that cult, but whose business Moon only has minority stock in, that is irrational hatred.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Consequently, employers may continue the high school diploma/GED requirement. Should someone with a learning disability unable to obtain a high school diploma apply for a job, the employer need only accommodate that condition. Since the learning disability can be documented by medical professionals, the high school requirement can be waived for that candidate.

How does one accommodate someone who isn't intellectually able to do the job?

It wont matter because to these PC goons, all that matters is trying to do good (in their view) and as long as you try, even if reality says it wont work, magic unicorns will come along a poop dazzling bits of multi-colored skittles all over the problem and it will go away like in an old Hollywood movie.

/sarcasm

To people likeJones, allowing someone unqualified to do a job that a qualified person could do (all in the name of equal opportunity) does not matter. They want a society of not only equal opportunity but also of equal results. So to the PC its all about intent, not effectiveness.

This is where the equal rights movement departed from reality; equal opportunity means nonequal results because people have different abilities. The only way to have equal results is if the government dictates who wins and who loses.

Complete government control of every endeavor in life is what EEOC has come to and it is why it will eventually be dumped as an intellectual cancer on our nation. Equal opportunity is good and ideal, but equal results is fascism by another name.