Education vs. Indoctrination

i think skull nailed it, but i would also say that as a parent one has a responsibility to do some of both.


I would agree that we need to "indoctrinate" them into keeping clean, and proper etiquette and manners, but that's just me :D
ONly until they're old enough to be taught to keep clean (do they want to be sick and be teased for being the stinky kid?) and have proper etiquette and manners(do they want to insult someone by being an idiot and a slob- and risk that person smacking them in the head?)
 
Education: Teaching one how to think

Indoctrination: Teaching one what to think.

And this is the major problem with schools today. Parent have the responsibility to make sure their children are taught right and unteach the propoganda that is indoctrinated into them at school. This is the best reason to home school your child, and the main reason the schools and government are against home schooling.
 
Odd, I had a dream about young school children being indoctrinated a few days ago.

I recall 7th grade super clearly. I had some really great teachers and a few really scuzzy teachers. The ones I actually learn the most from were the ones who gave you actual information to study and then they let you come to your own conclusions concerning english, history/social studies, politics/government and art. The few I considered scuzzy and did not get along with had stringent ideals of their own they were pushing and I normally skip most of their classes.

It was the era where drugs really came in strong. One of my English teachers in 7th grade handed me a book one day that was not in the school library, "Needle nose park". He said I think you should read this and asked me to bring it back to him when I was done with it. It was obvious to me at that point due to what I knew about the older kids I did not want much to do with drugs but that book gave me a little more insight to the trap that people can get into with drugs.

Basic manners should be taught at home but if they are not I would expect that schools would have the right to set rules to live by while students are there. We're talking well over thirty years ago when I was in school and I don't recall ever asking anyone what their sexual orientation was. My goodness I would have not even considered asking. Just a bit too personal for me. TMI, keep it to yourself. We all knew one friends brother was different but again no one cared because that is a personal thing. We went to school because it was mandatory and our parents would kick our asses if we did not have decent grades. That meant we had certain obligations at school and we did not have a lot of time for all the extra shit kids today are seemingly taught today. We did have a few documentaries from time to time that the whole school would watch that showed lifestyles of the not so rich and famous that ended up in bad situations from the choices they made. Those did get your attention or well they did mine. Straight jackets and the looney wards just did not look appealing at all.
 
Education is something that will:
Help you grow as a person
Help you to succeed in the world.
Make you independent.

Indoctrination is something that will:
Control you mind.

That's the entire reason behind indoctrination. Take evolution for instance. The reason many religious fight the science of evolution isn't because they don't believe it. It's because it threatens their idea of a God.
 
Education is something that will:
Help you grow as a person
Help you to succeed in the world.
Make you independent.

Indoctrination is something that will:
Control you mind.

That's the entire reason behind indoctrination. Take evolution for instance. The reason many religious fight the science of evolution isn't because they don't believe it. It's because it threatens their idea of a God.
Guess which one he does most of the time.
 
☭proletarian☭;2035687 said:
Education: facts presented. Theories presented. Thinking encouraged.

Indoctrination: brainwashing. Do not challenge or think for self.

To bad the Public School System does not present True Facts, Legitimate Theories, or Encourage Thinking. The Public School System is a cesspool of Communist Marxist Socialist Indoctrination. The main goal is promote brand Obama making him hip & cool.
 
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A poster in another thread commented that parents do not have the right to indoctrinate their children. I kind of think they do, at least to some extent, since what one views as indoctrination can easily be seen as education by another. And I don't think too many people would argue that a parents don't have the right to educate their children.

So what is the difference between education and indoctrination anyway?

Please discuss.
An education is knowledge a person seeks to accumulate.Like a kid that learns guitar or learns to draw well.
Indoctrination is being taught to worship an imaginary being or, in the case of Murkinz,a flag.
 

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☭proletarian☭;2035687 said:
Education: facts presented. Theories presented. Thinking encouraged.

Indoctrination: brainwashing. Do not challenge or think for self.

To bad the Public School System does not present True Facts, Legitimate Theories, or Encourage Thinking. The Public School System is a cesspool of Communist Marxist Socialist Indoctrination. The main goal is promote brand Obama making him hip & cool.

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...children are taught that that homosexuality is normal, is that education or indoctrination?

Neither. It's "brain washing."

So what's the difference between brain washing and indoctrination?
Doesn't 'brain washing' include hypnosis or psychotropic drugs or some other form of coercion? See The Manchurian Candidate. And the Frank Sinatra, Laurence Harvey version, not the lame remake!
 
Neither. It's "brain washing."

So what's the difference between brain washing and indoctrination?
Doesn't 'brain washing' include hypnosis or psychotropic drugs or some other form of coercion? See The Manchurian Candidate. And the Frank Sinatra, Laurence Harvey version, not the lame remake!
Or just go to church one Sunday and find out you'll go to hell if you don't follow church doctrine. Brainwashing and indoctrination are the same thing, in the end.

:lol:
 
So what's the difference between brain washing and indoctrination?
Doesn't 'brain washing' include hypnosis or psychotropic drugs or some other form of coercion? See The Manchurian Candidate. And the Frank Sinatra, Laurence Harvey version, not the lame remake!
Or just go to church one Sunday and find out you'll go to hell if you don't follow church doctrine. Brainwashing and indoctrination are the same thing, in the end.

:lol:

Yep, because all churches preach that, right Rav?
 
Doesn't 'brain washing' include hypnosis or psychotropic drugs or some other form of coercion? See The Manchurian Candidate. And the Frank Sinatra, Laurence Harvey version, not the lame remake!
Or just go to church one Sunday and find out you'll go to hell if you don't follow church doctrine. Brainwashing and indoctrination are the same thing, in the end.

:lol:

Yep, because all churches preach that, right Rav?
No, but I didn't say that...did I? Most preach that you won't please God...and basically it amounts to the same thing in the end.
 
Or just go to church one Sunday and find out you'll go to hell if you don't follow church doctrine. Brainwashing and indoctrination are the same thing, in the end.

:lol:

Yep, because all churches preach that, right Rav?
No, but I didn't say that...did I? Most preach that you won't please God...and basically it amounts to the same thing in the end.

Mine doesn't.

My pastor HAS told us that we are living in fornication, but he doesn't judge us on it, and he certainly doesn't tell us we're going to hell.

You've got a lot of narrow minded views on a lot of things.
 
Yep, because all churches preach that, right Rav?
No, but I didn't say that...did I? Most preach that you won't please God...and basically it amounts to the same thing in the end.

Mine doesn't.

My pastor HAS told us that we are living in fornication, but he doesn't judge us on it, and he certainly doesn't tell us we're going to hell.

You've got a lot of narrow minded views on a lot of things.
Do I?

You must belong to one of those branches that allow you to do whatever you want as long as you accept Jesus. Not exactly a tough religion.
 
My church doesn't tell you what to do.

We go over a section in the bible and discuss how it relates to life today.

No one is judged, no one is brainwashed. It's a laid back church. They don't care if you don't, or haven't yet, accepted Jesus. They encourage it of course, but there's members there who have been going for over a year and haven't yet given their lives to god. Everyone is accepted there equally.

Now the Methodist church I used to go to, they were strange like that. Very judgmental.

I've found that the non-denominational churches are the most accepting and least judgmental.
 
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And btw, my church is the most popular church around here. If you don't get there early for a service, you're sitting in the overflow room and watching the pastor on the monitor.

Casual dress, live band, refreshments, and the pastor is about as cool it gets.
 
hmm... big tent, they won't condemn your sin, they don't tell you how God's law tells you to live...

Sounds like the deceiver at work.
 

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