Education vs Indoctrination: FDR's Depression

[G.T.]

Do you think the mood landing was also a hoax, Francis?

 

[mal]

Do you think the mood landing was also a hoax, Francis?

The Mood Landing?...

Frustrated Wigger is Frustrated.



peace...

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Do you think the mood landing was also a hoax, Francis?

Not at all.

Did you know the astronauts talked in code back to Mission Control?

Also, the sesimomoters left by Apollo 12 showed the Moon ringing like a bell for 3 1/2 hours when the Apollo 13 booster dropped on it

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Yea, all of the astro-physicists miss this, but some internetz guy named Crusaderfrank who also believes in the magic sky fairy and is a birther.............has the science down.

I know you couldn't be bothered to read any of it but know that a prominent astrophysicist said that the only explanation for the Moon was "observational error" just assume its' not there.

Prominent in what sort of circles? Cuz someone in a blog said "prominent," and you took the bait?

It's 2012 genius. It's established fact that the moon is real, put your tin-foil hat(e) down.

I don't doubt the Moon is real, Genius, the point was that there is no known, rational, won't make me laugh explanation as to how it got there without an assist

 

[mal]

I know you couldn't be bothered to read any of it but know that a prominent astrophysicist said that the only explanation for the Moon was "observational error" just assume its' not there.

Prominent in what sort of circles? Cuz someone in a blog said "prominent," and you took the bait?

It's 2012 genius. It's established fact that the moon is real, put your tin-foil hat(e) down.

I don't doubt the Moon is real, Genius, the point was that there is no known, rational, won't make me laugh explanation as to how it got there without an assist

The Moon's Real!?...



peace...

 

[G.T.]

I know you couldn't be bothered to read any of it but know that a prominent astrophysicist said that the only explanation for the Moon was "observational error" just assume its' not there.

Prominent in what sort of circles? Cuz someone in a blog said "prominent," and you took the bait?

It's 2012 genius. It's established fact that the moon is real, put your tin-foil hat(e) down.

I don't doubt the Moon is real, Genius, the point was that there is no known, rational, won't make me laugh explanation as to how it got there without an assist

there is, except you apparently laugh at your own ignorance.

there is no known, rational, won't make me laugh explanation explanation about how the moon was purposely "put there."

 

[ConservaDerrps]

Wow. So much lol-worthiness in this thread.

1. Hearty-LOLs to defending Joseph McCarthy
2. Hearty-LOLs to believing in the Red Scare
3. Gut-busting LOLs to thinking the moon was "put" there by anything other than natural universal physics
4. LOL to a Conservative trying to teach indoctrination vs. education
5. Massive LOLs to Conservatives claiming FDR wasn't a brilliant President, and the standard by which all modern Presidents have been judged and fail MISERABLY in comparison to.

Maybe FDR did borrow from Hoover to write the New Deal. So what? The fact is that after FDR's policies were put in place, our country boomed like no other country had before. What's the Conservative rationale for that, exactly? Taxes were way higher than they were right now, and regulations on business were the highest they've ever been. And we still prospered at a rate we've never seen since.

It's one thing to re-write history, but to re-write it into such craziness is well...Conservative.

 

[G.T.]

Do you think the mood landing was also a hoax, Francis?

Not at all.

Did you know the astronauts talked in code back to Mission Control?

Also, the sesimomoters left by Apollo 12 showed the Moon ringing like a bell for 3 1/2 hours when the Apollo 13 booster dropped on it

Let me google that for you.

Moonquakes - NASA Science

 

[G.T.]

NASA - NASA Chat: The Moon's Earth-like Core

 

[ConservaDerrps]

Yeah, whatever. NASA's just a hate site under Kenyan Obama's control, dude.

 

[G.T.]

Yeah, whatever. NASA's just a hate site under Kenyan Obama's control, dude.

Yea, NASA's lying about it all, lying to Humanity! And the fact that independant cosmologists and astrophysicists don't go around getting accepted main-stream with "moon was put there" theory is because..........................they're all being black-mailed by a shadow space gubbamint.

Yet Frank supports NASA, which is iconically ironic.

Birfers have interesting thought patterns though. I can diggit.

 

[Polk]

One of the differences between education and indoctrination is that education is subject to scrutiny, to thought, to defending its propositions; with indoctrination, things are just so, they are given as facts and not subject to question.

Take FDR's handling of the economy from 1933 on. We are told that Hoover was a lassiez faire capitalist who ruined the economy and FDR's New Deal saved the economy and rescued Capitalism. All total bullshit.

FDR Campaigned against Hoover saying he was a Big Government Socialist (funny, right?) The Federal Reserve actually tanked the economy by sucking out 1/3 of the money supply and started to restore it when FDR was inaugurated. The reality is that FDR did not rescue anything, he oversaw an economy worse than the 7 Biblical Lean Years.

FDR's Imaginary Economic Greatness is taught as an article of faith, not subject to question. He is given full credit for the economic growth that occurred as the Fed restored the money it stole from the economy but his Soviet style Central planning of the economy lead to 7 1/2 years of 20% unemployment never dipping below 14%. Only abating when Hitler conquered France and USA enter into WWII was all but certain.

When there's no thinking involved you can use FDR's as a base for greatness instead of record incompetence and, if not questioned, it's an error that carries through for generations!

Educated people see FDR's New Deal was a failure, the indoctrinated take it as an article of Faith that he was great and should be imitated.

See the difference?

So was it 7.5 years of 20% unemployment, or did unemployment never dip below 14%? You can't even keep this kooky story straight for an entire sentence. And your argument that government spending prolonged the Depression seems odd when you also claim that government spending ended the Depression.

 

[Polk]

wasting money, on (un-productive) speculation, on stocks & real-estate, generated a bubble, whose collapse bankrupted many people & businesses.

Fiscal stimulus, specifically per the advice of a leading economist of the day (Keynes), helped the US economy recover.

blame -- (un-productive) speculation
credit -- Fiscal stimulus (& Keynes)​

(everything else is logically extraneous, not directly relevant; and, by distracting from the central issues, resembles "flak" or "fans waving streamers behind the goal-posts")

What year did this imaginary "recovery" occur, can you point it out?

Also, in the 1930's the US economy was just beginning to see the effects of transformative technologies of electricity, wireless communication and mass production. There's no excuse for FDR's failure

The economy grew like wildfire from the 1933 to 1937. Industrial and agricultural output had rebounded to close to pre-crash levels.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Wow. So much lol-worthiness in this thread.

1. Hearty-LOLs to defending Joseph McCarthy
2. Hearty-LOLs to believing in the Red Scare
3. Gut-busting LOLs to thinking the moon was "put" there by anything other than natural universal physics
4. LOL to a Conservative trying to teach indoctrination vs. education
5. Massive LOLs to Conservatives claiming FDR wasn't a brilliant President, and the standard by which all modern Presidents have been judged and fail MISERABLY in comparison to.

Maybe FDR did borrow from Hoover to write the New Deal. So what? The fact is that after FDR's policies were put in place, our country boomed like no other country had before. What's the Conservative rationale for that, exactly? Taxes were way higher than they were right now, and regulations on business were the highest they've ever been. And we still prospered at a rate we've never seen since.

It's one thing to re-write history, but to re-write it into such craziness is well...Conservative.

Again, another teaching moment.

American were indoctrinated into "McCarthy's Red Scare" (odd that McCarthy would pick a time a few months after the Russians tried to start WWIII with the Berlin Blockade and a few months before the ChiComs started a real War in Korea killing Americans to pick on Communists and launch his "Red Scare", but when you accept indoctrination and never ask question, those are the lies you can accept as fact). McCarthy was correct that the US government, WH and State were infiltrated by Communist spies. Indoctrination tells us he a drunk, crazy man; education tells us he was accurate and actually understated

How is 20% unemployment for 7 1/2 years "booming"? Can you explain that to me?

 

[ConservaDerrps]

Yeah, whatever. NASA's just a hate site under Kenyan Obama's control, dude.

Yea, NASA's lying about it all, lying to Humanity! And the fact that independant cosmologists and astrophysicists don't go around getting accepted main-stream with "moon was put there" theory is because..........................they're all being black-mailed by a shadow space gubbamint.

Yet Frank supports NASA, which is iconically ironic.

Birfers have interesting thought patterns though. I can diggit.

But the question on everyone's mind is: Is President Kenyan OTraitorBama going to divvy up the cheese the moon is made of into the welfare system? Will we in fact see Government Moon Cheese?

 

[ConservaDerrps]

Wow. So much lol-worthiness in this thread.

1. Hearty-LOLs to defending Joseph McCarthy
2. Hearty-LOLs to believing in the Red Scare
3. Gut-busting LOLs to thinking the moon was "put" there by anything other than natural universal physics
4. LOL to a Conservative trying to teach indoctrination vs. education
5. Massive LOLs to Conservatives claiming FDR wasn't a brilliant President, and the standard by which all modern Presidents have been judged and fail MISERABLY in comparison to.

Maybe FDR did borrow from Hoover to write the New Deal. So what? The fact is that after FDR's policies were put in place, our country boomed like no other country had before. What's the Conservative rationale for that, exactly? Taxes were way higher than they were right now, and regulations on business were the highest they've ever been. And we still prospered at a rate we've never seen since.

It's one thing to re-write history, but to re-write it into such craziness is well...Conservative.

Again, another teaching moment.

American were indoctrinated into "McCarthy's Red Scare" (odd that McCarthy would pick a time a few months after the Russians tried to start WWIII with the Berlin Blockade and a few months before the ChiComs started a real War in Korea killing Americans to pick on Communists and launch his "Red Scare", but when you accept indoctrination and never ask question, those are the lies you can accept as fact). McCarthy was correct that the US government, WH and State were infiltrated by Communist spies. Indoctrination tells us he a drunk, crazy man; education tells us he was accurate and actually understated

How is 20% unemployment for 7 1/2 years "booming"? Can you explain that to me?

I think you keep misspelling education. The word you're looking for "history revision." Shit, that's two words. I guess you're just dumb.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

wasting money, on (un-productive) speculation, on stocks & real-estate, generated a bubble, whose collapse bankrupted many people & businesses.

Fiscal stimulus, specifically per the advice of a leading economist of the day (Keynes), helped the US economy recover.

blame -- (un-productive) speculation
credit -- Fiscal stimulus (& Keynes)​

(everything else is logically extraneous, not directly relevant; and, by distracting from the central issues, resembles "flak" or "fans waving streamers behind the goal-posts")

What year did this imaginary "recovery" occur, can you point it out?

Also, in the 1930's the US economy was just beginning to see the effects of transformative technologies of electricity, wireless communication and mass production. There's no excuse for FDR's failure

The economy grew like wildfire from the 1933 to 1937. Industrial and agricultural output had rebounded to close to pre-crash levels.

The economy grew when the Fed started to put back the money the siphoned out of the economy, no doubt.

Here are the US unemployment stats now think before you answer, but in light of Harding and Coolidge dropping US from 12% to 2% in 1 1/2 years, how is FDR's record anything but a failure?

1933: 24.9%
1934: 21.7%
1935: 20.1%
1936: 16.9%
1937: 14.3%

 

[ConservaDerrps]

What year did this imaginary "recovery" occur, can you point it out?

Also, in the 1930's the US economy was just beginning to see the effects of transformative technologies of electricity, wireless communication and mass production. There's no excuse for FDR's failure

The economy grew like wildfire from the 1933 to 1937. Industrial and agricultural output had rebounded to close to pre-crash levels.

The economy grew when the Fed started to put back the money the siphoned out of the economy, no doubt.

Here are the US unemployment stats now think before you answer, but in light of Harding and Coolidge dropping US from 12% to 2% in 1 1/2 years, how is FDR's record anything but a failure?

1933: 24.9%
1934: 21.7%
1935: 20.1%
1936: 16.9%
1937: 14.3%

INCREDIBLE. It's the same argument you guys make about Obama. So your main argument is that he improved the economy but not fast enough, is that it? Because I look at those numbers and see the unemployment rate drop by almost 50%. That's called "good" in just about every circle except the jerking one you and fellow NeoCons are in over this shit.

Just like Obama's record actually shows about his performance, the numbers you cited show that under FDR, there was vast improvement. And again, if he was so terrible, why was he elected four times again? Let me guess: because the American people were indoctrinated into believing he was doing the good job that they clearly all saw he was doing, right?

Shut it down, dude. This thread is just all sort of fail.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

One of the differences between education and indoctrination is that education is subject to scrutiny, to thought, to defending its propositions; with indoctrination, things are just so, they are given as facts and not subject to question.

Take FDR's handling of the economy from 1933 on. We are told that Hoover was a lassiez faire capitalist who ruined the economy and FDR's New Deal saved the economy and rescued Capitalism. All total bullshit.

FDR Campaigned against Hoover saying he was a Big Government Socialist (funny, right?) The Federal Reserve actually tanked the economy by sucking out 1/3 of the money supply and started to restore it when FDR was inaugurated. The reality is that FDR did not rescue anything, he oversaw an economy worse than the 7 Biblical Lean Years.

FDR's Imaginary Economic Greatness is taught as an article of faith, not subject to question. He is given full credit for the economic growth that occurred as the Fed restored the money it stole from the economy but his Soviet style Central planning of the economy lead to 7 1/2 years of 20% unemployment never dipping below 14%. Only abating when Hitler conquered France and USA enter into WWII was all but certain.

When there's no thinking involved you can use FDR's as a base for greatness instead of record incompetence and, if not questioned, it's an error that carries through for generations!

Educated people see FDR's New Deal was a failure, the indoctrinated take it as an article of Faith that he was great and should be imitated.

See the difference?

So was it 7.5 years of 20% unemployment, or did unemployment never dip below 14%? You can't even keep this kooky story straight for an entire sentence. And your argument that government spending prolonged the Depression seems odd when you also claim that government spending ended the Depression.

Both, unemployment averaged 20% and never dipped below 14%.

That help?

 

[Polk]

That's not a hard source, it's a source with a point of view.

Even taking the numbers as valid, it doesn't really show anything unless you live under the false belief that all recessions are the same. The early 1920s slump was a typical post-war collapse in demand caused by reductions in armament production. The bounce from those is typically pretty quick. The Great Depression was the result of a global financial crisis.