Education vs Indoctrination: FDR's Depression

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    One of the differences between education and indoctrination is that education is subject to scrutiny, to thought, to defending its propositions; with indoctrination, things are just so, they are given as facts and not subject to question.

    Take FDR's handling of the economy from 1933 on. We are told that Hoover was a lassiez faire capitalist who ruined the economy and FDR's New Deal saved the economy and rescued Capitalism. All total bullshit.

    FDR Campaigned against Hoover saying he was a Big Government Socialist (funny, right?) The Federal Reserve actually tanked the economy by sucking out 1/3 of the money supply and started to restore it when FDR was inaugurated. The reality is that FDR did not rescue anything, he oversaw an economy worse than the 7 Biblical Lean Years.

    FDR's Imaginary Economic Greatness is taught as an article of faith, not subject to question. He is given full credit for the economic growth that occurred as the Fed restored the money it stole from the economy but his Soviet style Central planning of the economy lead to 7 1/2 years of 20% unemployment never dipping below 14%. Only abating when Hitler conquered France and USA enter into WWII was all but certain.

    When there's no thinking involved you can use FDR's as a base for greatness instead of record incompetence and, if not questioned, it's an error that carries through for generations!

    Educated people see FDR's New Deal was a failure, the indoctrinated take it as an article of Faith that he was great and should be imitated.

    See the difference?
     
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    wasting money, on (un-productive) speculation, on stocks & real-estate, generated a bubble, whose collapse bankrupted many people & businesses.

    Fiscal stimulus, specifically per the advice of a leading economist of the day (Keynes), helped the US economy recover.
    blame -- (un-productive) speculation
    credit -- Fiscal stimulus (& Keynes)​
    (everything else is logically extraneous, not directly relevant; and, by distracting from the central issues, resembles "flak" or "fans waving streamers behind the goal-posts")
     
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    What year did this imaginary "recovery" occur, can you point it out?

    Also, in the 1930's the US economy was just beginning to see the effects of transformative technologies of electricity, wireless communication and mass production. There's no excuse for FDR's failure
     
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    :lol: Before you take the citizenship test, you have a lot to learn.
     
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    Never doubt Frankie Boy, he obtained his information directly from the inhabitants of our hollow moon.
     
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    Nope. I see a partisan hack who has consumed so much kool-aid his blood sugar has caused mental impairment.
     
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    Up for the challenge?

    Tell us when the New Deal saved the US economy, can you pick out any specific year or years?
     
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    Topic: Here

    Old Rocks: Not Here

    See the problem?
     
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    1. In your educated opinion, what year did FDR's New Deal rescue the US economy? Did you research it at all?

    2. McCarthy found geniune Verona certified Communist spies throughout the US government and the WH.
     
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    Can it be done? Make FDR, rated by 238 noted historians and presidential scholars, less than great by simply repeating he was not great? Since historians began rating presidents FDR has been in the top three greatest presidents, and the question is why?
    In a way the people of that generation also rated FDR as the greatest, electing him four times, a record likely now to stand for a long time. So both the experts and the people rated FDR as great, so the problem for conservatives is how to bring FDR down from that number one position?
    Well one thing conservatives could do is elect someone better, say a Bush, Reagan, Harding, or other, but that hasn't worked yet, so they say it the great conservative president is in the future, say a Romney or even a Palin. In this area they have been pretty inept.
    So the conservative campaign against FDR, usually ends up with: historians are liberal, colleges are liberal, educated people are liberal, poor people are liberal, Americans are liberal, so what does one expect from all those liberals?
    But conservatives have one more big gun: liberals are like socialists, and socialists are like communists.
     
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