Education simplified: Republican freedom versus liberal status quo

[daveman]

Our kids are about the dumbest in the civilized world. The treasonous liberals and their unions want the status quo while Republicans want freedom and vouchers. What more is there to say?

Republicans also want corporate-sponsored schools which will turn kids into even dumber sheep consumers for those same corporations WHILE making sure that an education is only attainable if you have money. I guess you've got to determine what is worse...

You really need to provide a credible link for this asinine claim.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Republicans also want corporate-sponsored schools which will turn kids into even dumber sheep ...

actually they are already about the dumbest in the civilized world so an argument for the status quo is very liberal and very stupid

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

many of them, don't give a crap about learning the fundamentals

yes this represents a failure of the liberal teachers. As in private business failure should mean death, not an opportunity to make excuses.

It is amazing what capitalism encourages people to do, and what liberal socialism discourages them from doing. Why did you think Red China switched to capitalism??

 

[regent]

many of them, don't give a crap about learning the fundamentals

yes this represents a failure of the liberal teachers. As in private business failure should mean death, not an opportunity to make excuses.

It is amazing what capitalism encourages people to do, and what liberal socialism discourages them from doing. Why did you think Red China switched to capitalism??

You're forgetting the unions, remember the teachers unions and communism and socialism and they don't eat their veggies.
China is switching to a mixture, as most nations have done, to a mixture of regulated capitalism and socialism. Few, if any, nations practice pure or laissez faire capitalism or pure socialism. There was a tribe, the Mbuti in Africa that almost practiced pure socialism at one time but I don't know that they still do. Do you know of any nations that practice pure capitalism or pure socialism and not a mixture? There might be some?

 

[blimpo]

many of them, don't give a crap about learning the fundamentals

yes this represents a failure of the liberal teachers. As in private business failure should mean death, not an opportunity to make excuses.QUOTE]


This ain't a private business. It is reality teachers (liberal and conservative) deal with on a daily basis.

If you have the answers I'm sure your theory would be welcome and if they work, you'll be a millionaire almost instantly.

The reason you aren't a millionaire over this is no one has the answer. To blame lack of student motivation on liberal teachers is about the most ignorant post I've read on this or any other public forum.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

The reason you aren't a millionaire over this is no one has the answer.

actually dear the answers come with capitalist experimentation. Now you know an essential difference between capitalism and socialism. Socialism doesn't produce innovation because a government monopoly does not experiment.

Welcome to kindergarten

 

[starcraftzzz]

Our kids are about the dumbest in the civilized world. The treasonous liberals and their unions want the status quo while Republicans want freedom and vouchers. What more is there to say?

Republicans also want corporate-sponsored schools which will turn kids into even dumber sheep consumers for those same corporations WHILE making sure that an education is only attainable if you have money. I guess you've got to determine what is worse...

You really need to provide a credible link for this asinine claim.

Here you go.
About Those Milwaukee Vouchers | ThinkProgress
^Milwaukee students who take vouchers and go to private schools score anywhere from 10-30% lower on standardized tests.

Here's another
Public Schools Outperform Private Schools in Math Instruction
^ILL researchers have found that public school students outscore private score students in math.

And another
GOP Defends Higher Education Profiteers As They Line Their Pockets With Taxpayer Dollars | ThinkProgress
---^Private for profit colleges have a graduation rate of 22% compared to 55% at state colleges. For profit colleges account for 26% of federal student loans while accounting for 43% of defaults. For profit colleges are also lining their pockets paying themselves tens of millions in compensation.
And another

^A Standard study on charter schools found 37% of charter schools saw less educational gain then public schools compared to 17% that did better., meaning if you were to extrapolate the data turning all charter schools to public schools would increase educational quality by 20%.
New Stanford Report Finds Serious Quality Challenge in National Charter School Sector - SmartBrief

 

[daveman]

Republicans also want corporate-sponsored schools which will turn kids into even dumber sheep consumers for those same corporations WHILE making sure that an education is only attainable if you have money. I guess you've got to determine what is worse...

You really need to provide a credible link for this asinine claim.

Here you go.
About Those Milwaukee Vouchers | ThinkProgress
^Milwaukee students who take vouchers and go to private schools score anywhere from 10-30% lower on standardized tests.

Here's another
Public Schools Outperform Private Schools in Math Instruction
^ILL researchers have found that public school students outscore private score students in math.

And another
GOP Defends Higher Education Profiteers As They Line Their Pockets With Taxpayer Dollars | ThinkProgress
---^Private for profit colleges have a graduation rate of 22% compared to 55% at state colleges. For profit colleges account for 26% of federal student loans while accounting for 43% of defaults. For profit colleges are also lining their pockets paying themselves tens of millions in compensation.
And another

^A Standard study on charter schools found 37% of charter schools saw less educational gain then public schools compared to 17% that did better., meaning if you were to extrapolate the data turning all charter schools to public schools would increase educational quality by 20%.
New Stanford Report Finds Serious Quality Challenge in National Charter School Sector - SmartBrief

Those aren't corporate-sponsored schools. Fail.

Have you noticed that it's only people with no class fighting the class war?

 

[editec]

Our kids are about the dumbest in the civilized world. The treasonous liberals and their unions want the status quo while Republicans want freedom and vouchers. What more is there to say?

I find it amusing that people who notoriously hate education and educators also happen to pose on this board as experts in education.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Our kids are about the dumbest in the civilized world. The treasonous liberals and their unions want the status quo while Republicans want freedom and vouchers. What more is there to say?

I find it amusing that people who notoriously hate education and educators also happen to pose on this board as experts in education.

hate education? do you have an example or are you just being liberal, i.e., very very stupid??

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Republicans also want corporate-sponsored schools .

corporations got us from the stone age to here in 200 years. Government held back the process for 5 million years. It stands to reason that liberals would like government. They seem to have no brains whatsoever. What other conclusion is possible?

 

[blimpo]

The reason you aren't a millionaire over this is no one has the answer.

actually dear the answers come with capitalist experimentation. Now you know an essential difference between capitalism and socialism. Socialism doesn't produce innovation because a government monopoly does not experiment.

Welcome to kindergarten

That shows how out of the loop you are. The last 20 years have been nothing but experimentation. Go to any bookstore and look at the books about learning. They are a dime a dozen.

School systems are so desperate for results, they jump on any new bandwagon that comes along. Education today is working their way out of the 'group work' fad and now in the depths of 'reflecting' on everything.

If you were involved you would have known this and lived through some of these insane experimental phases.

Case closed...

 

[rdean]

Republicans also want corporate-sponsored schools .

corporations got us from the stone age to here in 200 years. Government held back the process for 5 million years. It stands to reason that liberals would like government. They seem to have no brains whatsoever. What other conclusion is possible?

Wow, this certainly stands among one of the most stupid things I ever read on this site. And Daveman agrees. With you.

 

[daveman]

Republicans also want corporate-sponsored schools .

corporations got us from the stone age to here in 200 years. Government held back the process for 5 million years. It stands to reason that liberals would like government. They seem to have no brains whatsoever. What other conclusion is possible?

Wow, this certainly stands among one of the most stupid things I ever read on this site. And Daveman agrees. With you.

With the last three sentences.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Republicans also want corporate-sponsored schools .

corporations got us from the stone age to here in 200 years. Government held back the process for 5 million years. It stands to reason that liberals would like government. They seem to have no brains whatsoever. What other conclusion is possible?

Wow, this certainly stands among one of the most stupid things I ever read on this site. And Daveman agrees. With you.

of course if it was stupid the liberal would not be so afraid to present a reason to think it was stupid. A liberal will lack the IQ to need a reason.

 

[florida.runner]

I wholeheartedly agree. Young people of today are not having the value of an education instilled in them. Undoubtedly, the government needs to have more standards and incentives for having well-educated college graduates. I propose lowering the Department of Education to the state-level and imposing regular evaluations on the competence of our teachers (both of which are included in Mitt Romney's educational reform plans if elected for Presidency).

The lowering of the Department to state-level makes the monitoring and improvement of our students and teachers much more efficient, due to the ability to impose effective changes on a state-by-state basis according to the needs of the state's students. Likewise, it makes it easier to evaluate teachers regularly and assure they are meeting certain standards set by the state. Not only does this assure the presence of effective teaching procedures, but it likewise gives the teachers to teach well.