economy. vs. environment

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    Can the economy and earth coexist?? Talk amongst your selves
     
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    Absolutely. Everything in moderation and don't get stupid.
     
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    Lazy sod.


    Trying to get your post count up or something?
     
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    No not lazy. I have posted before on some economy tioics. My theory. Is that our economy is tied to mass production an mass consumption. In order to create jobs we must be constantly expanding an developing , an new constuction. Union jobs in construction require extreme production. So many doors , paint , electrical outlets, roofs etc. Need to be installes in a day in order to give a trades person high nwage an benifits. I feel our sysyem is unsustainable. Just a theory, but I know many trdes people wh are layedoff ban those high pay jobs mot coming back , seems like. I think the economy can not continue to require this mass production. Also USA has a car culture, we do not like public transit. My question is,, is th reason for the current economic problems only a symtom of the reall problem. That earth can not absorb this sytem we have invented??? Every time I post seems like this angle is avoided and people get involved in n economic only debate and or political. ???
     
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    Where public transportation makes sense it is well used. Look at New York and Chicago for examples of that. However, when criminals are allowed to run amock the public will avoid those modes of transport. Also we have a car culture because we are a hell of a lot bigger than any European Country. Take France as an example. We are going to be staying at our place in Paris and visiting relatives in Toulon, nearly all the way across the country.

    The distance is roughly what you get from San Francisco to San Diego all within the state of California. You are comparing an apple with a 800 pound pumpkin. It is flawed from the beginning.
     
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    It is not what I am comparing, size of france to usa. What I am saying is the amount of production needed to fuel jobs ,, to fuel our economy. Is it sustainable?? USA can build cities and high speed rail to eliminate cars it chooses not to, or should I say the oil an car companies choose not to. They are to big to fail. We can keep going as we are but a collapse is coming. So why not plan for it or take a different direction right now? The original question, once again, is our economy collapsing because earth will not support our sytem?
     
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    Yes, you are. You are asking a question that is loaded. You allready have a preconceived notion as you just stated. Defend it. I merely pointed out that one of your observations was inherently flawed. You need to figure out a different tact.

    You mention high speed rail and I bet you don't know that only TWO high speed rail lines in the ENTIRE world are self sustaining. Environmentally rail lines are more damaging than roadways as well. Also what do you do when someone wants to travel from Los Angeles to Bishop? You going to build a high speed rail line for the 2,000 people who want to do that every year?

    Rail is horribly expensive. I think you need to learn more about the various subjects before you waste time on philosophical discussions. Don't you?
     
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    Don't want to get off topic. My question is for opinions and everyone is entitled to one. Don't have to give proof. If you think that are econmy can self sustain you can say so. My opinion is it can not an will not. I can not believe how many trades people who work on a high volume high production pace are out of work. To name one example. PS gas is close to $5 per gallon.
     
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    What you are ignoring is most of the economic problems are driven by the government. The price of gas could drop to 2 bucks a gallon almost overnight if the Obama admin wished it to. They don't. In fact they want it higher. Their goal is over 8 dollars a gallon.
    You want a viable robust economy? Get government out of it.
     

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