Economics lession For Liberials

[flacaltenn]

While y'all are fighting over "sources".. Big pencil is being erased by the Chinese who plan to DUMP and drive this business into the ground. THEN -- when there are no more American sources and the Chi-Coms start charging $2.33 a pencil --- maybe we can all reminisce about I, Pencil and how we should have paid attention...

 

[Jroc]

if it was on levin, it's not worth bothering with. *shrug*

but if it's simplistic, it explains why it would appeal to rightwingnuts.

So you would be that closed minded as to not even bother to read it? I must say I'm disappointed you my friend.

why would i waste my time reading something that's BS?

How about watching Melton Freedman? Do you hate him too?

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5Gppi-O3a8&playnext=1&list=PL3275F747C501FE8D]YouTube - ‪Power of the Market - The Pencil‬‏[/ame]

 

[edthecynic]

While y'all are fighting over "sources".. Big pencil is being erased by the Chinese who plan to DUMP and drive this business into the ground. THEN -- when there are no more American sources and the Chi-Coms start charging $2.33 a pencil --- maybe we can all reminisce about I, Pencil and how we should have paid attention...

But isn't that exactly how the free market system works? Capitalists try to undercut their competition and take over a market to maximize their profits in the long run.
You must be some kind of Socialist Marxist anti-Capitalist bleeding heart!

 

[Moonglow]

The principles are still valid it's politicians and big government that get in the way of the free market.

No it is not. You can still operate a business that caters to the populace ,and you can still earn a living. The free market is in more danger from corporations trying to monopolize than govt. regs.
But then again monopolies have advantages and disdvantages, which is true about any condition.

There is a limited role for government but it's not the government’s job to run business. Tell them what kind of cars they have to drive ,what kind of light bulb they have to use, what kind of health insurance they have to buy, what kind of toilette they must use ect.. They are killing the free market

What does a toilet have to do with free trade, u doing Cot carls? Steamin' Clevelands?
Light bulbs how does that stop sales and production? health insurance(still private insurers), it's about time, the govt. is tired of paying for non-insured people using hospitals for routine doctor office visits.
Car to drive? all models are still available.

 

[Moonglow]

So you would be that closed minded as to not even bother to read it? I must say I'm disappointed you my friend.

why would i waste my time reading something that's BS?

How about watching Melton Freedman? Do you hate him too?

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5Gppi-O3a8&playnext=1&list=PL3275F747C501FE8D]YouTube - ‪Power of the Market - The Pencil‬‏[/ame]

I do need to take a nap.

 

[Jroc]

No it is not. You can still operate a business that caters to the populace ,and you can still earn a living. The free market is in more danger from corporations trying to monopolize than govt. regs.
But then again monopolies have advantages and disdvantages, which is true about any condition.

There is a limited role for government but it's not the government’s job to run business. Tell them what kind of cars they have to drive ,what kind of light bulb they have to use, what kind of health insurance they have to buy, what kind of toilette they must use ect.. They are killing the free market

What does a toilet have to do with free trade, u doing Cot carls? Steamin' Clevelands?
Light bulbs how does that stop sales and production? health insurance(still private insurers), it's about time, the govt. is tired of paying for non-insured people using hospitals for routine doctor office visits.
Car to drive? all models are still available.

Low-flow toilets cause a stink in SF

San Francisco's big push for low-flow toilets has turned into a multimillion-dollar plumbing stink.

Skimping on toilet water has resulted in more sludge backing up inside the sewer pipes, said Tyrone Jue, spokesman for the city Public Utilities Commission. That has created a rotten-egg stench near AT&T Park and elsewhere, especially during the dry summer months.

The city has already spent $100 million over the past five years to upgrade its sewer system and sewage plants, in part to combat the odor problem.

Now officials are stocking up on a $14 million, three-year supply of highly concentrated sodium hypochlorite - better known as bleach - to act as an odor eater and to disinfect the city's treated water before it's dumped into the bay. It will also be used to sanitize drinking water.

That translates into 8.5 million pounds of bleach either being poured down city drains or into the drinking water supply every year.



Read more: Low-flow toilets cause a stink in SF

 

[Jroc]

No it is not. You can still operate a business that caters to the populace ,and you can still earn a living. The free market is in more danger from corporations trying to monopolize than govt. regs.
But then again monopolies have advantages and disdvantages, which is true about any condition.

There is a limited role for government but it's not the government’s job to run business. Tell them what kind of cars they have to drive ,what kind of light bulb they have to use, what kind of health insurance they have to buy, what kind of toilette they must use ect.. They are killing the free market

What does a toilet have to do with free trade, u doing Cot carls? Steamin' Clevelands?
Light bulbs how does that stop sales and production? health insurance(still private insurers), it's about time, the govt. is tired of paying for non-insured people using hospitals for routine doctor office visits.
Car to drive? all models are still available.

Light bulb factory closes; End of era for U.S. means more jobs overseas

By Peter Whoriskey
Wednesday, September 8, 2010; 9:48 PM

WINCHESTER, VA. - The last major GE factory making ordinary incandescent light bulbs in the United States is closing this month, marking a small, sad exit for a product and company that can trace their roots to Thomas Alva Edison's innovations in the 1870s.

The remaining 200 workers at the plant here will lose their jobs.

"Now what're we going to do?" said Toby Savolainen, 49, who like many others worked for decades at the factory, making bulbs now deemed wasteful.

During the recession, political and business leaders have held out the promise that American advances, particularly in green technology, might stem the decades-long decline in U.S. manufacturing jobs. But as the lighting industry shows, even when the government pushes companies toward environmental innovations and Americans come up with them, the manufacture of the next generation technology can still end up overseas.

What made the plant here vulnerable is, in part, a 2007 energy conservation measure passed by Congress that set standards essentially banning ordinary incandescents by 2014. The law will force millions of American households to switch to more efficient bulbs.


Light bulb factory closes; End of era for U.S. means more jobs overseas

 

[Jroc]

No it is not. You can still operate a business that caters to the populace ,and you can still earn a living. The free market is in more danger from corporations trying to monopolize than govt. regs.
But then again monopolies have advantages and disdvantages, which is true about any condition.

There is a limited role for government but it's not the government’s job to run business. Tell them what kind of cars they have to drive ,what kind of light bulb they have to use, what kind of health insurance they have to buy, what kind of toilette they must use ect.. They are killing the free market

What does a toilet have to do with free trade, u doing Cot carls? Steamin' Clevelands?
Light bulbs how does that stop sales and production? health insurance(still private insurers), it's about time, the govt. is tired of paying for non-insured people using hospitals for routine doctor office visits.
Car to drive? all models are still available.

Feds To Mandate Up To 62 MPG By 2025; What Does It Mean For You?

Two days ago, the NHTSA said that it would require annual gas-mileage improvements of somewhere between 2 and 7 percent each year between 2017 and 2025.

Corporate average fuel economy requirements have already been set through 2016, an action facilitated by the Obama Administration soon after taking office.

In 2016, across the entire vehicle fleet weighted by sales, new-vehicle gas mileage will have to average 34.1 miles per gallon.

47 to 62 mpg?



Now, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration has issued a notice in the Federal Register on its rulemaking for the period after that, for model years 2017 through 2025.

Final rules will be issued next year.

The notice says the agency won't require less than 2 percent increase in gas mileage each year, but it said it has "tentatively concluded" that the maximum possible improvement that automakers could achieve would be 7 percent.

That would mean average fuel efficiency reaching 47 to 62 miles per gallon by 2025--though the agency said it would assess the progress of technology in about 2020 before finalizing numbers for 2022-2025.

Costs and payback periods

The NHTSA is now researching the impacts of the different improvement levels, including the environmental benefits, the costs--to automakers and consumers--and the effects on auto safety.



Depending on the final level, vehicle cost would increase from $770 to $3,500, the agency said. Consumers would see a payback on the higher cost of a 6-percent improvement within four years, according to its modeling.

Projections from the Center for Automotive Research in Ann Arbor, Michigan, are more dire. A fleet average of 60 mpg, it says, would raise vehicle prices 22 percent, slash sales 25 percent, and cost hundreds of thousands of auto-industry jobs.

Unfortunately, retail car buyers historically overweight the initial puchase price and undervalue the impact of total ownership cost, including fuel expenses.

In other words, lower price is always more important than running costs--even if it doesn't make economic sense.

http://www.greencarreports.com/news...p-to-62-mpg-by-2025-what-does-it-mean-for-you

 

[Colin]

Economics lession For Liberials

Perhaps you should be thinking about a spelling lesson for yourself before you advocate any sort of lesson for others!

 

[editec]

If an economics lesson is valid, it will be valid for all of us. not just liberals.

More partisan crap.

Grow up.

 

[Jroc]

If an economics lesson is valid, it will be valid for all of us. not just liberals.

More partisan crap.

Grow up.

It seems big government types have a problem with the free market..."Grow up"? There has not been a descent response and most won't even read the original OP piece, who needs to grow up?

 

[editec]

Oh incidently?

Spelling lesson for you

It's spelled L I B E R A L.

The second i is not necessary.

Of course if one makes a typo in the title, and then discovers it after posting, one cannot fix it, so ... if that happened to you, please disregard the spelling lesson.

 

[flacaltenn]

While y'all are fighting over "sources".. Big pencil is being erased by the Chinese who plan to DUMP and drive this business into the ground. THEN -- when there are no more American sources and the Chi-Coms start charging $2.33 a pencil --- maybe we can all reminisce about I, Pencil and how we should have paid attention...

But isn't that exactly how the free market system works? Capitalists try to undercut their competition and take over a market to maximize their profits in the long run.
You must be some kind of Socialist Marxist anti-Capitalist bleeding heart!

It's been awhile since anyone's confused me with a Marxist. No Edthecynic -- DUMPING usually takes GOVT collusion to accomplish it. Because a corporation cannot sustain the short term losses required to completely wipe out the competition (on a continental scale anyway).. It's like why the doctor tells you to finish the antibiotics. Because if you don't take out ALL the bastard germs. The ones you leave -- you leave stronger..

 

[sjay]

Oh incidently?

Spelling lesson for you

It's spelled L I B E R A L.

The second i is not necessary.

Of course if one makes a typo in the title, and then discovers it after posting, one cannot fix it, so ... if that happened to you, please disregard the spelling lesson.

Before you critique others why don't you correct you're own stupid constant misspelling of banksters with bansters.

 

[edthecynic]

While y'all are fighting over "sources".. Big pencil is being erased by the Chinese who plan to DUMP and drive this business into the ground. THEN -- when there are no more American sources and the Chi-Coms start charging $2.33 a pencil --- maybe we can all reminisce about I, Pencil and how we should have paid attention...

But isn't that exactly how the free market system works? Capitalists try to undercut their competition and take over a market to maximize their profits in the long run.
You must be some kind of Socialist Marxist anti-Capitalist bleeding heart!

It's been awhile since anyone's confused me with a Marxist. No Edthecynic -- DUMPING usually takes GOVT collusion to accomplish it. Because a corporation cannot sustain the short term losses required to completely wipe out the competition (on a continental scale anyway).. It's like why the doctor tells you to finish the antibiotics. Because if you don't take out ALL the bastard germs. The ones you leave -- you leave stronger..

So basically you are saying the Chinese government is beating the American government at Capitalism.

 

[Jroc]

Notice no good points from any lib on this...That says a lot.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5Gppi-O3a8&playnext=1&list=PL3275F747C501FE8D]YouTube - ‪Power of the Market - The Pencil‬‏[/ame]