Economic Freedom

[Old Rocks]

The loss of the talents of our youth of all races and creeds is the greatest tragedy today in this nation.

 

[midcan5]

This is an interesting thread as it posits a great many of the modern concepts that lead eventually to third world status or revolution. The OWS phenom grows out of this very self centered attitude. Does business have a responsibility to the place that started it, for it sure as hell didn't start all on its own out of thin air. Two thousand years of other people helped it, and the society the owners grew up and were educated in provided the means to create it. Show me a business other than prostitution that carries with it all the means and personnel for success. One reason the Asian nations will one day overshadow us is they include the social concern and reciprocity. Look up keiretsu. Even European nations, so called socialism, are doing well. Communist China is growing too, and according to many Communism doesn't work?

Immigration does bring in bright students but that should be obvious, only the best apply and move through the system and the work. We have several science teachers in the family and all say the same thing: Most American students are not interested in the tough topics, be they any race, class, ethnic group, or whatever. We worship money and sports and entertainment in America, those are the gawds of America. My wife has taught math for twenty five years and says our students get dumber every year. One son taught HS math and gave up to program as the troublesome classes far outweighed the interested classes. Not everyone can do advanced math either, we seem to forget that in these rants on achievement and motivation and the usual finger pointing.

But Americans could change all this but they won't, why, because they like cheap and cheap comes from third world nations mainly. Consider as one example Nike who make nothing here but profit, or the big tech and communications companies that outsource thousands of jobs to India, or Walmart which costs the nation money as they become billionaires and their employees become modern wage slaves, stop supporting these companies and they will change. And without regulatory structure and personnel, government can't manage the corruption of modern business, but no one wants to support that aspect of the modern world either. So in the end the enemy is within as it often or always is, and that is where it fails.

"There is no need to sally forth, for it remains true that those things which make us human are, curiously enough, always close at hand. Resolve, then, that on this very ground, with small flags waving and tiny blasts of tiny trumpets, we shall meet the enemy, and not only may he be ours, he may be us." Pogo

http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/190306-economic-freedom-2.html#post4295283

 

[Wiseacre]

Corrupt business grows out of corrupt and ineffective government, not the other way around. We can never clean up corruption in business without first cleaning up the government that allows it and even fosters it. And don't give me this crap that it's only the repubs. Bullshit, it's both sides giving breaks and cutting deals to feather their own nests.

 

[Dragon]

Corrupt business grows out of corrupt and ineffective government, not the other way around. We can never clean up corruption in business without first cleaning up the government that allows it and even fosters it. And don't give me this crap that it's only the repubs. Bullshit, it's both sides giving breaks and cutting deals to feather their own nests.

I completely agree with all of this. Nevertheless, we must also recognize that the form the corruption takes is one of politicians receiving wealth from business in return for concessions and service to their interest. We will never be able to recognize what is going on or to deal with it as long as we are lionizing business or giving business a pass.

Or, to put it another way: the responsibility lies with government. But the blame falls on both.

 

[flacaltenn]

Midcan:

But Americans could change all this but they won't, why, because they like cheap and cheap comes from third world nations mainly. Consider as one example Nike who make nothing here but profit, or the big tech and communications companies that outsource thousands of jobs to India, or Walmart which costs the nation money as they become billionaires and their employees become modern wage slaves, stop supporting these companies and they will change. And without regulatory structure and personnel, government can't manage the corruption of modern business, but no one wants to support that aspect of the modern world either. So in the end the enemy is within as it often or always is, and that is where it fails.

Actually cheap foreign labor is a passing phase in the 21st Century manufacturing paradigm. NO ONE is investing more in automation, robotics and artificial intelligience as the Chinese are. THEY realize that new industries will look COMPLETELY different from old 20th Century models. I did a thread on how the largest Chinese assembler (the one that makes Iphones) is about to build 1 MILLION robotic assemblers.

This is what AMERICA should be doing -- before it's too late. Automation is LESS of threat for labor because it OPENS opportunities for labor. Look at the way supermarkets have added specialty shops like florists, deli counters, custom butchers, pharmacies IN STORE once the "self-checkout" lanes cut into the number of clerks required at the cash registers. Or the numbers and types of jobs in 20th century automated agriculture versus the 18th Century way of farming..

We are not getting this direction from politicians. We get partial gimmicky guidance like "Green Jobs". We need to look elsewhere for REAL direction and guidance in keeping America prosperous...

 

[william the wie]

All the thinking in this thread is with the assumption that the US government will just keep shoveling out unemployment from now till the end of time.

Reality is the socailist state is coming to an end, we cant afford it. Its time to remove the market manipulation on wages and let market values go where they must. Its better to have a job and make a little, then to not work, and not eat.

No, if it comes to that, the nation will sink into a Second Great Depression, one worse than the first. We either create jobs, or we perish.

The massive expansion of government going back to at least LBJ has certainly created a paradise:

No one is in debt.

Poverty was eradicated decades ago.

And the multiplication of laws and regulations is the cause of this happy outcome.

By the way you do realize that the misery index today is greater than in 1931?