Dumbass Alert: Do not pawn the laptop on which you keep child porn

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    Do not pawn the laptop on which you keep child porn


    MILFORD, Conn. A Milford pawn shop owner is credited with directing police to an alleged child porn suspect.

    Police say a 43-year-old New Haven man left 304 images of child pornography on a computer he brought into a pawn shop. Gary Bremer was arrested over the weekend.

    Police say Bremer was trying to get cash when he sold his laptop to National Pawn in November of 2003. The store's owner spotted child pornography on the laptop last June.

    Milford police were contacted and Bremer was arrested on child pornography charges Saturday, ending a nine-month investigation.

    Bremer faces charges of possession of child pornography and importing child pornography.

    He was released from police custody on a written promise to appear April 26th in Milford Superior Court.



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    Here's my problem with this. What did the guy do wrong? Did he take the pictures of the children themselves? Did he do the acts to the children? No! He looked at the pictures that are so readily availble on the internet and now he is going to jail for it. A 9 month investigation because the guy had pictures? For something he did in the privacy of his own home, he gets tried and convicted. Who knows what goes on in peoples homes? The people and thats all it should be.

    Now this guy to me has a screw loose but where do they stop. They arrest you for having child porn on your own private computer today. Whats to say they dont start arresting people for pictures of porn in general? Then whats to say police cant just barge into your house and find a gun in your closet or weed in your drawer or you having sex with your wife in all sorts of freaky positions and decide that your under arrest?

    People have to think before they judge. You give the government power over privacy in our homes and they will take it further then you ever contemplated.

    This guy was a moron for not formating his harddrive before trading it in, but it is a dangerous slope we're heading down.
     
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    Umm.. there's a PROFOUND difference between 'looking at porn' and having child porn - one is between consenting adults, the other is a FEDERAL CRIME - you're free to do whatever you want in the privacy of your own home, just as long as it's not illegal.. duh.. :p
     
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    Thats my point. Who deems things illegal? Politicians that are just as fallable if not more so then the rest of us. 100 years ago, cocaine was legal. 35 years ago marijuana was legal. Overnight those drugs became crimes and the people that used them became criminals. Whose to say that people staring at standard porn wont be considered "illegal" 20 years from now? People are harping on MCDonalds for being harmful to people. What if they start banning McDonalds food. You see where this is going?

    The reason you think it unconscienable is because of the nature of this individual's personal problems. He does things that we consider taboo. But whose to say our doings arent taboo to someone else who might want them banned. Thats what worries me. Every law that takes something away over the last 100 years was created because someone thought it wasnt right to do that. Then everyday people became criminals. You cant speak out against it because then you are considered to be an advocate of that behavior and thus treated the same.

    People need to be careful about the "Dont do illegal stuff" mantra because one day the everday things you do might be considered illegal and then your a criminal.
     
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    It is the will of the majority of citizens of the USA that child Porn is illegal.

    (shrug).
     
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    Child porn is not victimless. Those that traffic and keep such pictures have taken advantage of at least one victim, if not more than one for each child pictured. (Sometimes the parents have no idea that their child is being molested in this way, that is why there can be more than one victim for each child pictured).

    Therefore trafficking in child porn is a Federal Crime.

    If you turn in a laptop with evidence of your drug ring on it to a pawn shop you can expect to be arrested, the same as trafficking such sick crap as child porn.

    The investigation likely was to find where the source of this porn so that they could save some children from being molested.

    There is no way you will convince me that it is wrong to arrest people that take part in child pornography in any way, even purchasing or downloading you have participated in the victimization of children and families. I am largely Libertarian, but do believe that where there is so clearly a victim law should be made and enforced.
     
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    See this is the problem of relativism. People cannot identify "right" and "wrong," "truth" and "lie."

    Once again, the slippery slope of relativism. Every law that has ever been made was done because "somebody thought it wasn't right to do that." Laws reflect our morality. Where there is no consensus in morality, problems crop up, thick and rank. This country and its law were founded on Christian morality, whether an individual believes in Christ or not. When we step away from that moral code, we find people, who know things like child pornography are wrong actually defending them. They know these things are wrong, but they feel guilty about holding "their" morality over someone else. This is why the founding fathers stated again and again that should we err from our Christian heritage, the country will not stand.
     
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    Good call, no1. While one can make insein's argument regarding marijuana use or other "victimless" crimes, I find it very hard to apply that argument to child porn.
     
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    Exactly! It is a matter of priority. What deserves protection? The innocence of children or the privacy of sick perverts? That is the moral judgment we are called to make in law.
     
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    I personally believe that people should be able to do any action they want so long as they do not create a victim of another. Consenting adults working in porn are not victims, children cannot consent to such action and by even the fact that they have sexual pictures taken of them it becomes clear that they have been molested. Thus we have a victim, now you have crossed a clear line where government intervention is not only expected but needed in order to enforce the freedom we hold so dear.

    So in answer to insein, the line crossed is the victimization of another.
     

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