Dumb and Dumber team up

[Foxfyre]

If she is like McCarthy because she wants the government that she wants, then so are all the rest of us. That is the most inane analogy anybody has given to justify a comparison today.

And no, your quotes are still just quotes plucked out of their full context. I want the full context and any qualifying statements that go along with them. You see I am not the least bit homophobic, have friends, associates, family members, and have had employees who happen to be gay, and I would object to the schools teaching kids about homosexuality or heterosexuality in any context than a purely clinical biology class or routine sex education. But gay activists don't always agree with my point of view and are unlikely to urge that schools teach the joys and benefits of heterosexuality right along with homosexuality. So until I know what Michele is actually objecting to, I won't make a judgment about that. And neither should you if you are fair minded.

Any one of us could pull a sentence of of context in almost any day's posting on the internet and make it look like something quite different than was intended.

I'm not going to do the research for you on the McCarthy comparison. I can't spoon feed you information.

And honestly? I gave you an entire lines of quotes, I even gave you where she said them. If you want the transcripts then google it, but I doubt you'll find the entire transcripts. You're asking for too much, these quotes are all over the internet.

Some of them are in wikiquote:

Michele Bachmann - Wikiquote

I have given you more than enough evidence to attest that she said those things. The burden is now on you to prove that she didn't.

And I love the whole "I have friends, family, associates" who are gay. As if that justifies your next statement. I think teaching kids to not throw stones at little Johnny because he's gay isn't a bad thing to do. Kids are some of the most cruel people, and if you don't teach them that being gay is not wrong, then they're going to act out on that behavior. It's like not teaching them that stealing is wrong. You're going to wait until they go too far.

And then you try to act like you're being fair minded when I give you line after line of quote.

Listen, I get it, you'll defend Michele no matter what batshit insane statements she makes. However, even as you had to admit, she's a Christian Fundamentalist. I wouldn't want any sort of Fundamentalist in office whether they be Christian, Mormon, or Atheist. And you shouldn't either.

However, don't waste my time and act like you're being fair minded on this. I have given you evidence, you have given me rhetoric.

I'm off to watch Cowboy Bebop. So don't expect a answer if you reply anytime tonight.

I don't know why some of you have such a difficult time understanding what 'in context' means. You can post quote after quote after quote after quote and it will not put them into context unless you put them into context. It doesn't matter what source the quotation came from, or how many times it has been used. If it isn't in its full context, it isn't in its full context. If the full context does not change the meaning inferred from the stand alone quote, then fine. But there is no way to know that without knowing the full context. And since I am not the one throwing the quotes out there to condemn somebody, it isn't incumbant on me to research the context. If you choose not to do that, fine. I will just conclude that you pulled the quotes off some hate site and threw them out to condemn somebody and don't give a damn whether they are a fair representation of her intent or not. You just want everybody to believe that they are.

I am quite well schooled in McCarthy and McCarthyism and I can assure you, I don't see any comparison between him and Michele Bachmann. I assume you don't know of any comparisons either or you would have provided them when asked. So we can agree that I was right that you just plucked somebody unattractive off a leftwing site to compare her to without any knowledge of why she should be compared to that person.

Do have a good time at your party. I'm going to bed.

 

[Sarah G]

She has no clue of how ridiculous some of her claptrap is for instance, she speaks of Liberals and supposed socialistic policy. This story however was swept under the carpet by her.

Republicans put her out there front and center to spread their lies and hate and she takes the beating when they're exposed. She is very dumb to allow herself to be their test dummie. Testing which lie will stick, that's her job within the party.

She isn't however any worse than others in her party. I say yes, she's insane tho. She keeps yapping like a little ole lapdog.

Anti-socialist Bachmann got $250K in federal farm subsidies

Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.) — so fond of accusing the Obama administration of foisting socialism on an unwilling America — has apparently been the recipient of about a quarter of million bucks in government handouts.

Liberal site Truthdig links to an Environmental Working Group analysis of federal agricultural subsidies and found that the Bachmann family farm, managed by her father-in-law until his recent death, received $251,000 in farm payments between 1995 and 2006.

Bachmann’s financial disclosure forms indicate her stake in the Wisconsin farm is worth up to $250,000. Her income from the farm has grown from $2,000 a year a few years back to as much as $50,000 for 2008.

Truthdig calls her a "Welfare Queen":

Bachmann's family farm received $251,973 in federal subsidies between 1995 and 2006. The farm had been managed by Bachmann's recently deceased father-in-law and took in roughly $20,000 in 2006 and $28,000 in 2005, with the bulk of the subsidies going to dairy and corn. Both dairy and corn are heavily subsidized — or "socialized" — businesses in America (in 2005 alone, Washington spent $4.8 billion propping up corn prices) and are subject to strict government price controls.

Bachmann isn't alone in her selective socialism: EWG found that the top four districts receiving the largest ag payments are represented by conservative Republicans.

1. 3rd district of Nebraska (Rep. Adrian Smith - Republican) - $1,736,923,011 in subsidies go to 51,702 recipients.

2. 1st district of Kansas (Rep. Jerry Moran - Republican) - $1,315,979,151 in subsidies go to 75,802 recipients.

3. 4th district of Iowa (Rep. Tom Latham - Republican) - $1,288,622,912 in subsidies go to 35,696 recipients.

4. 9th district of Texas (Rep. Randy Neugebauer - Republican) - $1,227,192,312 in subsidies go to 21,290 recipients

Anti-socialist Bachmann got $250K in federal farm subsidies - Glenn Thrush - POLITICO.com

 

[Rinata]

I was introduced to Michelle Bachmann on Hardball in October 2008. This appearance was what got everybody talking about her. She told Chris Matthews that Barack Obama and his wife Michelle held anti-American views and couldn't be trusted in the White House. She even called for the major newspapers of the country to investigate other members of Congress to "find out if they are pro-America or anti-America."

Chris Matthews didn't even know what to say. She caught him completely by surprise. I have never seen him flustered like that.

That was a little strange, I thought. Investigate every member of Congress???

 

[Conspiracist]

Fuck all these b*tches...

Martha Stewart/Rachel Ray 2012!!

ROFL town meetings could consist of making a Gay Marriage pie or a Healthcare Lemonade made with wild Turkey! LOL

 

[Conspiracist]

I'll believe you if you can find those quotes anywhere but on leftwing hate sites and provide them here in their full context. As Michele Bachmann has a voting record disallowing discrimination against gays, I do not believe she said that at least in the context with which you posted it.

Please specify three things promoted by McCarthy that she also promotes that you find objectionable. Let's see if you're just making up somebody unpopular to compare her to.

She is a fundamentalist Christian and as such almost certainly holds views that you disagree with and she holds some views that I disagree with. But as long as her focus as a Congresswoman is to hold the line on spending, maintain a strong national defense, and as long as she is an advocate for free markets, pro business, private sector prosperity, and personal freedoms, I don't have any serious problem with her.

I doubt I agree with every point of view of any member of Congress.

She is a fundamentalist Christian who is the Mrs. Carmody of the GOP. For those of you who haven't read "The Mist" or seen the movie:

The Mist - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And I'm saying she's the Joseph McCarthy of this generation because she acts like she's for small government when in reality she's for her sort of government. As are all fundamentalists whether they be Christian or not. You cannot trust them on any issue that has to deal with religion in some way because their mind is already made up. And it doesn't matter whether the opposing view would actually be Conservative or better for this country.

On what will happen if her same-sex marriage ban amendment fails to pass in 2004: “It isn’t that some gay will get some rights. It’s that everyone else in our state will lose rights. For instance, parents will lose the right to protect and direct the upbringing of their children. Because our K-12 public school system, of which ninety per cent of all youth are in the public school system, they will be required to learn that homosexuality is normal, equal and perhaps you should try it. And that will occur immediately, that all schools will begin teaching homosexuality.” -- Senator Michele Bachmann, appearing as guest on radio program “Prophetic Views Behind The News”, hosted by Jan Markell, KKMS 980-AM, March 6, 2004.

On a leader of a teacher training workshop who cites discrimination as a cause of suicide among homosexual youth: “(He) also fails to acknowledge other psychological factors that could contribute to homosexual youth committing suicide, like family problems or abuse or maybe the fact of what they’re doing.” — Senator Michele Bachmann, speaking at EdWatch National Education Conference, November 6, 2004.

On homosexuality as a mental disorder: “Don’t misunderstand. I am not here bashing people who are homosexuals, who are lesbians, who are bisexual, who are transgender. We need to have profound compassion for people who are dealing with the very real issue of sexual dysfunction in their life and sexual identity disorders.” — Senator Michele Bachmann, speaking at EdWatch National Education Conference, November 6, 2004.

And that's just her quotes on Gays, want to keep going Fox?

I don't see the hate or insanity tht you see in those quotes and I believe gay marriage should be legal. Would I be proud if she were representing my state? Yes on some issues, no on others. I really do not see her as hateful but passionate.

 

[sitarro]

But hey, I wonder if that speaks volumes for people who support a woman who said and I quote:

"Our children...are the prize for this community."

She said that statement when referring to the Gay Community who supposedly are targeting children.

And she's real Conservative when trying to ban Abortion, the rights of Homosexuals (1,100+ and counting) that married couples are given. And she's real Conservative when trying to ban Online Poker. And trying to force public schools to teach Creationism. And supporting that cigarette surcharge in 2005 after saying she wouldn't and condemned it in the first place.

The woman is this generation's Joseph McCarthy. To take her seriously is dangerous.

But hey, just make sure to not have any views she may consider "Anti-American" or she may want you investigated.

Tell us kid, what do you know about Senator McCarthy? Or should I ask, who has told you about Senator McCarthy? What do they actually know, did they get their opinions from watching "The Way We Were"?

 

[Conspiracist]

I was introduced to Michelle Bachmann on Hardball in October 2008. This appearance was what got everybody talking about her. She told Chris Matthews that Barack Obama and his wife Michelle held anti-American views and couldn't be trusted in the White House. She even called for the major newspapers of the country to investigate other members of Congress to "find out if they are pro-America or anti-America."

Chris Matthews didn't even know what to say. She caught him completely by surprise. I have never seen him flustered like that.

That was a little strange, I thought. Investigate every member of Congress???

It is not uncommon for people to hold anti American views on some subjects and I think many in Congress could be nailed to the cross, just depends on the spin they put on everything. I personally feel that Barack Obama does have issue with the USA but find it not worth talking about. He is president and all that is left is to argue is policy.

 

[sitarro]

What a surprise. From the title of the thread, I thought it was just going to be another thread about what stupid shits the President and VP are.

 

[RadiomanATL]

Palin to campaign for Bachmann in her run for 3rd term | StarTribune.com

--Here again we witness the liberal mentality--of one of them--that do not have the reading comprehension skills or the attention span of a nat to get through a 413 page book--but think they know something anyway--

hey bucko.




I'm not liberal.

 

[RadiomanATL]

What a surprise. From the title of the thread, I thought it was just going to be another thread about what stupid shits the President and VP are.

No, if I were to start a thread about them, it would be Pinky and the Brain.

Bumbling pair, one of them smart, one of them moronic, who can't seem to do anything right...but have aspirations of leading the world.

 

[logical4u]

Hate politics is on it's way out. Vote for anybody but a demoncrap will be the 2010/2012 Rally Poster.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuMXa1qJW_M]YouTube - Chris Matthews Interviews Rep. Michele Bachmann, The New-Old Face of the Republican Party: Watch Her Reveal Herself at the End[/ame]

....and she turned out to be.....right.....

 

[logical4u]

I'll believe you if you can find those quotes anywhere but on leftwing hate sites and provide them here in their full context. As Michele Bachmann has a voting record disallowing discrimination against gays, I do not believe she said that at least in the context with which you posted it.

Please specify three things promoted by McCarthy that she also promotes that you find objectionable. Let's see if you're just making up somebody unpopular to compare her to.

She is a fundamentalist Christian and as such almost certainly holds views that you disagree with and she holds some views that I disagree with. But as long as her focus as a Congresswoman is to hold the line on spending, maintain a strong national defense, and as long as she is an advocate for free markets, pro business, private sector prosperity, and personal freedoms, I don't have any serious problem with her.

I doubt I agree with every point of view of any member of Congress.

She is a fundamentalist Christian who is the Mrs. Carmody of the GOP. For those of you who haven't read "The Mist" or seen the movie:

The Mist - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And I'm saying she's the Joseph McCarthy of this generation because she acts like she's for small government when in reality she's for her sort of government. As are all fundamentalists whether they be Christian or not. You cannot trust them on any issue that has to deal with religion in some way because their mind is already made up. And it doesn't matter whether the opposing view would actually be Conservative or better for this country.

On what will happen if her same-sex marriage ban amendment fails to pass in 2004: “It isn’t that some gay will get some rights. It’s that everyone else in our state will lose rights. For instance, parents will lose the right to protect and direct the upbringing of their children. Because our K-12 public school system, of which ninety per cent of all youth are in the public school system, they will be required to learn that homosexuality is normal, equal and perhaps you should try it. And that will occur immediately, that all schools will begin teaching homosexuality.” -- Senator Michele Bachmann, appearing as guest on radio program “Prophetic Views Behind The News”, hosted by Jan Markell, KKMS 980-AM, March 6, 2004.

On a leader of a teacher training workshop who cites discrimination as a cause of suicide among homosexual youth: “(He) also fails to acknowledge other psychological factors that could contribute to homosexual youth committing suicide, like family problems or abuse or maybe the fact of what they’re doing.” — Senator Michele Bachmann, speaking at EdWatch National Education Conference, November 6, 2004.

On homosexuality as a mental disorder: “Don’t misunderstand. I am not here bashing people who are homosexuals, who are lesbians, who are bisexual, who are transgender. We need to have profound compassion for people who are dealing with the very real issue of sexual dysfunction in their life and sexual identity disorders.” — Senator Michele Bachmann, speaking at EdWatch National Education Conference, November 6, 2004.

And that's just her quotes on Gays, want to keep going Fox?

Has any of those statements been "proven" wrong? They are opinion (like BClinton saying B Obama would have been getting him coffee a couple of years ago or H Reid talking about a light-skinned black man with no negro dialect).

 

[logical4u]

If she is like McCarthy because she wants the government that she wants, then so are all the rest of us. That is the most inane analogy anybody has given to justify a comparison today.

And no, your quotes are still just quotes plucked out of their full context. I want the full context and any qualifying statements that go along with them. You see I am not the least bit homophobic, have friends, associates, family members, and have had employees who happen to be gay, and I would object to the schools teaching kids about homosexuality or heterosexuality in any context than a purely clinical biology class or routine sex education. But gay activists don't always agree with my point of view and are unlikely to urge that schools teach the joys and benefits of heterosexuality right along with homosexuality. So until I know what Michele is actually objecting to, I won't make a judgment about that. And neither should you if you are fair minded.

Any one of us could pull a sentence of of context in almost any day's posting on the internet and make it look like something quite different than was intended.

I'm not going to do the research for you on the McCarthy comparison. I can't spoon feed you information.

And honestly? I gave you an entire lines of quotes, I even gave you where she said them. If you want the transcripts then google it, but I doubt you'll find the entire transcripts. You're asking for too much, these quotes are all over the internet.

Some of them are in wikiquote:

Michele Bachmann - Wikiquote

I have given you more than enough evidence to attest that she said those things. The burden is now on you to prove that she didn't.

And I love the whole "I have friends, family, associates" who are gay. As if that justifies your next statement. I think teaching kids to not throw stones at little Johnny because he's gay isn't a bad thing to do. Kids are some of the most cruel people, and if you don't teach them that being gay is not wrong, then they're going to act out on that behavior. It's like not teaching them that stealing is wrong. You're going to wait until they go too far.

And then you try to act like you're being fair minded when I give you line after line of quote.

Listen, I get it, you'll defend Michele no matter what batshit insane statements she makes. However, even as you had to admit, she's a Christian Fundamentalist. I wouldn't want any sort of Fundamentalist in office whether they be Christian, Mormon, or Atheist. And you shouldn't either.

However, don't waste my time and act like you're being fair minded on this. I have given you evidence, you have given me rhetoric.

I'm off to watch Cowboy Bebop. So don't expect a answer if you reply anytime tonight.

WEAK. I was reading your post to see if I had missed something with her (MB), nothing to find here.

 

[logical4u]

I was introduced to Michelle Bachmann on Hardball in October 2008. This appearance was what got everybody talking about her. She told Chris Matthews that Barack Obama and his wife Michelle held anti-American views and couldn't be trusted in the White House. She even called for the major newspapers of the country to investigate other members of Congress to "find out if they are pro-America or anti-America."

Chris Matthews didn't even know what to say. She caught him completely by surprise. I have never seen him flustered like that.

That was a little strange, I thought. Investigate every member of Congress???

She told the media to do their 'job', wow, that is radical.

 

[logical4u]

Palin to campaign for Bachmann in her run for 3rd term | StarTribune.com

We were promised 'intellect' in the 2008 campaigns. Sorry, right now would be willing to elect someone with a loss less 'intellect' and a lot more "get 'er done".

 

[RadiomanATL]

More on Bachman:


GOP reps to Bachmann: STFU

GOP Colleagues Ask Rep. Bachmann to End Census Boycott - Washington Wire - WSJ Three Republicans on the House panel that oversees the Census Bureau have asked fellow GOP Rep. Michele Bachmann of Minnesota to end her plans to boycott next year’s count.

Reps. Patrick McHenry of North Carolina, Lynn Westmoreland of Georgia and John Mica of Florida issued a statement saying every elected representative has a “responsibility” to encourage participation in the 2010 Census. “Boycotting the constitutionally mandated census is illogical, illegal and not in the best interest of our country,” they stated.

Bachmann has said she will answer only certain questions on the 2010 Census form because the Census Bureau has signed up Acorn, the liberal-leaning community group, to help publicize the census and recruit enumerators. The group, she has said, will skew the results. Click here for a Wall Street Journal article on the census fight.

McHenry, Westmoreland and Mica – no fans of Acorn – pointed out an “unfortunate irony” in Bachmann’s boycott, saying it “only increases the likelihood that Acorn-recruited census takers will be dispatched to her constituents’ homes. Anyone who completes and returns their census form will remove any need for a census taker to visit their residence.”

Also, Bachmann claims that the census doesn't even ask if a person is a US citizen.

*ahem* Question #8, page 27, Question has been asked since 1890:

http://www.census.gov/acs/www/Downloads/Questions_Planned_for_the_2010_Census_and_American_Community_Survey.pdf

Bachmann thinks that Obama's plan for volunteer community service for young people will lead to liberal re-education camps:

I believe that there is a very strong chance that we will see that young people will be put into mandatory service. And the real concerns is that there are provisions for what I would call re-education camps for young people, where young people have to go and get trained in a philosophy that the government puts forward and then they have to go to work in some of these politically correct forums.
Bachmann fears ‘politically correct re-education camps for young people’ Minnesota Independent: News. Politics. Media.

Bachmann blames FDR's "Smoot-Hawley" act for causing or lengthening the Depression.

*ahem* It was passed under Hoover. And reps Smoot and Hawley were both republicans as well.

Bachmann Blames FDR For 1930 Tariffs

Bachmann thinks that if Healthcare reform passes, it will mean in-school abortions:

Bachmann warns of abortions at school - The Hill's Blog Briefing Room

Michelle Bachmann believes that the only people bringing up the Obama birther issue or the people on the left (Who knew that Orly Taitz was a leftist?):

I have no reason to doubt that he wasn't born in the United States. I have none. The only place that this issue comes up is on the left. You don't hear people on the right bringing this issue up. Honest... CNN.com - Transcripts

Then there's her claim that the constitution and BoR were signed on the same day, the fake Washington prayer that she claims George Washington used in his first inaugural in 1783 (Washington wasn't inaugurated until 1789), her railing against socialism, while collecting $250K in government subsidies for her farm, her claim that we're losing our country because of immigration (not illegal immigration mind you, just immigration period...I wonder if she from the Lakota or Souix Bachmanns?), and in her continued ignorance of history, literature, or just plain common sense, she compared the Tea Party movement to the Charge of the Light Brigade (hey michelle...the charge is analogous to a hopeless cause).

The lady is at best, an ignorant buffoon. At worst, an example of what *exactly* is wrong in DC these days. A tell any lie, stretch any truth, ignore all facts politician as long as it might advance that politicians agenda.

 

[RadiomanATL]

Palin to campaign for Bachmann in her run for 3rd term | StarTribune.com

We were promised 'intellect' in the 2008 campaigns. Sorry, right now would be willing to elect someone with a loss less 'intellect' and a lot more "get 'er done".

Sorry, I tend to hold my elected representatives to a higher standard than "Hey, she has an (R) after her name!"

 

[kyzr]

Lets see. Comparing Palin's record and popularity as governor and Obama's record after one year of being president, I don't see the correlation/reasoning of referring to Palin as dumb.

I don't know Bachmann, but again, by comparing total records of Bachmann to Pelosi, I know which one would be considered dumber by most critical-thinkers.

 

[RadiomanATL]

Lets see. Comparing Palin's record and popularity as governor and Obama's record after one year of being president, I don't see the correlation/reasoning of referring to Palin as dumb.

No one is comparing Palin to Obama. It is entirely possible that people can be dumb completely independent of Obama. Shocking. I know.

I don't know Bachmann, but again, by comparing total records of Bachmann to Pelosi, I know which one would be considered dumber by most critical-thinkers.

You don't know Bachmann, but yet you are comparing the (unknown to you) record of Bachmann to Pelosi, and you say that Pelosi is still dumber?

Critical thinking ain't yer strong suit there Einstein.

Bachmann is moonbat and a ball of stupid all rolled into one. Pelosi is just a moonbat.

 

[Liability]

Lets see. Comparing Palin's record and popularity as governor and Obama's record after one year of being president, I don't see the correlation/reasoning of referring to Palin as dumb.

No one is comparing Palin to Obama. It is entirely possible that people can be dumb completely independent of Obama. Shocking. I know.

I don't know Bachmann, but again, by comparing total records of Bachmann to Pelosi, I know which one would be considered dumber by most critical-thinkers.

You don't know Bachmann, but yet you are comparing the (unknown to you) record of Bachmann to Pelosi, and you say that Pelosi is still dumber?

Critical thinking ain't yer strong suit there Einstein.

Bachmann is moonbat and a ball of stupid all rolled into one. Pelosi is just a moonbat.

Please.

We all say stupid things from time to time. You have. I have. Even Congresswomen and Congressmen do it. Certainly our President does it often enough. Our Vice President is famed for it.

But you haven't substantiated your contention that Congressperson Bachmann is either stupid or a moonbat.