Trump Due Process

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    Trump likes to raise the issue of "due process" when talking about his staffers, i.e., Rob Porter, et al, forced to resign over improprieties. And, by doing so he solidifies the widely held belief that he ain't as smart as he claims and he certainly isn't as well educated as he would like to be.

    Due process applies in a legal case, which the Porter situation ain't. According to Merriam-Webster's definition of due process "as the official and proper way of doing things in a legal case." Porter's case isn't legal since no charges have been filed, and the case isn't being investigated by law enforcement.

    The "due process" Trump craves should have been performed by his administration, in originally vetting Porter and by taken seriously the allegations raised against him by the FBI last fall. As usual, Trump is just looking to blame others for his own shortcomings. And, had he cleaned house of Porter last fall, he would not be dealing with this issue now.
     
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    Since when does due process matter in politics? This is all about political advantage.

    Both parties take every last morsel of potential scandal, add some of their own bullshit and hyperbole, and push it 24/7 like it's fact.

    Due process. What a joke.
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    Trump whining about ‘due process’ is yet another example of his ignorance of the law, and the fact he’s unfit to be president.
     
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    If we take Due Process off the table (as what the women are alleging would be a crime), you're left with he said, she said.

    Not having pursued these cases AND the women did not offer up any complaints until a guy is about to get a really good gig, one could argue this is all sour grapes and relegate this kind of crap to fake news tabloids.

    Whether a matter of law or not, I support the idea that a man has the presumption of innocence. It's way to easy to get believable sounding people to spew skeet about anyone else.
     
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    Good points, but they don't apply in this case. The Trump Admin.had plenty of abuse information about this guy from the FBI going back to March of 2017. If they failed to act because of a "presumption of innocence," and failed to investigate further, in the face of very strong evidence, then they are negligent and now suffering a situation of their own making.

    The FBI had this abuser nailed. The Trump Admin. was duly informed. Protestations of innocence and "you have to remember the abuser's denials" don't get it.
     
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    Evidence of what? Were criminal charges filed? Did he serve time? Did the complainants face any kind of cross examination to the allegations? Accusations don't get it either.

    What if the rest of the story is that a woman was drunk, on drugs, or just plain mean and instigated an altercation? Just yesterday, on Dr. Phil, a man admitted to more violence on his part than his girlfriend did. She said he threw her out of the house. He said he choked her while getting her out the door. She was the one who attacked him according to both accounts. He was physically assaulted and he stopped the altercation by getting her out the door.

    The problem is there are two sides to every story. And we've created this situation whereby we say there is no excuse for violence, but if a cop is physically assaulted by a woman, he is authorized to use force and they sometimes even taze females with a stun gun to subdue them. Why don't we require a policy to force a male cop to get a female cop on the scene and diffuse it instead of it escalating?

    That is a rhetorical question and we both know the answer. And many women, being fully aware of the law, push the envelope as far as they can, knowing that this so political they can get away with everything short of murder.

    Unless the guy has been convicted of a crime of violence, then the past should be just that - the past. If those women considered the act a crime, they should have reported it or now be charged with failure to report a crime. If it was reported and a police report generated... and they guy did not go to jail, well you got your answer.
     
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    If there are no charges, no legal proceedings and no criminal case, Porter has done nothing wrong and should not be fired.

    The effect of this punishment upon allegation is to turn the entire nation into one huge college campus where social wrongs can result in expulsion. It's not a legal proceeding right, so the social justice activists can do anything they want. How about this? We put social justice back into the churches and require wrong doers to wear a scarlet letter. Only instead of sewing in on their clothing, we tattoo it on their faces.
     
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    Doesn't matter. The FBI did their job and informed Trump & Co. that they had a potential problem in placing a possible abuser on the WH staff. Hiring the "very best people" certainly didn't happen in this case. And, you don't need formal criminal charges to render the abuser guilty in the eyes of the WH. Every abuser, including Trump, will protest their "innocence." It's what they do. You might have not had enough to obtain a criminal conviction in a court of law, but you certainly had enough to keep this guy off of the WH payroll. So where is the Trump WH now? Dealing with a public relations crisis of their own making and an ongoing conundrum for Trump. Being an admitted abuser himself, and with more credible charges of abuse following him around, he has to profess innocence and also defend those also accused, regardless of the evidence or credibility of the accusers. BTW, Trump sure has been deficient in defending Harvey Weinstein, who has also claimed innocence.
     
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    You have not shown any proof of any abuse. Period.

    You should really consider what it would feel like to have your life ripped apart just because someone else could make legions of people believe a twisted version of events. And make them believe it AFTER the matter was investigated when it took place by competent investigators.
     
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    Innocent people also protest their innocence.
     
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