Drug cartels and politics

[Votto]

Mexican Drug Cartels and the Art of Political Puppetry | HuffPost

It is no secret that drug cartels have had and continue to have a strong influence on governments, such as the one in Mexico as this article gives evidence for.

But what of the rest of the world? Are we to believe that other governments around the world are not influenced in a similar way?

HSBC scandal: Britain's biggest bank let drug gangs launder millions - and faces a £640million fine | Daily Mail Online

Money laundering schemes like the one above show otherwise. This article discusses how a bank in England was involved in helping drug cartels launder money.

But as far as finding articles linking US politicians directly to the drug cartels, good luck. With both parties refusing to secure the border one can only speculate as to the influence of these drug cartels with about 200 American dying every day from drug overdoses.

 

[Votto]

 

[JLW]

Your own OP shows the waste of spending 24 billion dollars for a wall. Walls and physical barriers can't stop the movement of money and drugs. We need strong border security, but to put all that money in one ill-conceived basket, called a useless wall, is folly. We need smart action not action that reeks of pandering to a political base.

 

[NightFox]

It is no secret that drug cartels have had and continue to have a strong influence on governments.
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Other way around, the drug cartels learned their methods of violence, corruption and extortion from governments, after all, what better role model than institutions that have been practicing at it for 1000's of years.

 

[Votto]

Operation Fast and Furious was an Obama scheme to help arm the drug cartels.

From Wiki:






Weapons recovered by Mexican military in Naco, Sonora, Mexico on November 20, 2009. They include weapons bought two weeks earlier by Operation Fast and Furious suspect Uriel Patino, who bought 723 guns during the operation.[1]
"Gunwalking", or "letting guns walk", was a tactic of the Arizona Field Office of the United States Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), which ran a series of sting operations[2][3] between 2006[4] and 2011[2][5] in the Tucson and Phoenix area where the ATF "purposely allowed licensed firearms dealers to sell weapons to illegal straw buyers, hoping to track the guns to Mexican drug cartel leaders and arrest them".[6] These operations were done under the umbrella of Project Gunrunner, a project intended to stem the flow of firearms into Mexico by interdicting straw purchasers and gun traffickers within the United States.[7] The Jacob Chambers Case began in October 2009 and eventually became known in February 2010 as "Operation Fast and Furious" after agents discovered Chambers and the other suspects under investigation belonged to a car club.[1]

The stated goal of allowing these purchases was to continue to track the firearms as they were transferred to higher-level traffickers and key figures in Mexican cartels, with the expectation that this would lead to their arrests and the dismantling of the cartels.[6][8][9] The tactic was questioned during the operations by a number of people, including ATF field agents and cooperating licensed gun dealers.[10][11][12][13][14] During Operation Fast and Furious, the largest "gunwalking" probe, the ATF monitored the sale of about 2,000[1]:203[15] firearms, of which only 710 were recovered as of February 2012[update].[1]:203 A number of straw purchasers have been arrested and indicted; however, as of October 2011, none of the targeted high-level cartel figures had been arrested.[6]

Guns tracked by the ATF have been found at crime scenes on both sides of the Mexico–United States border, and the scene where United States Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry was killed in December 2010. The "gunwalking" operations became public in the aftermath of Terry's murder.[2] Dissenting ATF agents came forward to Congress in response.[16][17] According to Humberto Benítez Treviño, former Mexican Attorney General and chair of the justice committee in the Chamber of Deputies, related firearms have been found at numerous crime scenes in Mexico where at least 150 Mexican civilians were maimed or killed.[18] Revelations of "gunwalking" led to controversy in both countries, and diplomatic relations were damaged.[2]

As a result of a dispute over the release of Justice Department documents related to the scandal, Attorney General Eric Holder became the first sitting member of the Cabinet of the United States to be held in contempt of Congress on June 28, 2012.[19][20] At Holder's request, President Barack Obama had invoked executive privilege for the first time in his presidency in order to withhold documents that "were not generated in the course of the conduct of Fast and Furious."[21][22]

So as we see, the arming of criminals across the border only resulted in innocent people dying and no one arrested.

Funny that.

In fact, to this very day the Obama administration refuses to surrender details of the operation even though they were in contempt of Congress for not doing so.

Where is Mueller when you actually need him?

 

[Votto]

Your own OP shows the waste of spending 24 billion dollars for a wall. Walls and physical barriers can't stop the movement of money and drugs. We need strong border security, but to put all that money in one ill-conceived basket, called a useless wall, is folly. We need smart action not action that reeks of pandering to a political base.

I see, so the wall won't stop all drugs coming across the border so why bother?

Well guess what, no matter what methods are used they will keep coming across the border, but a wall is definitely a good first step.

Republicans, why is it that your part REFUSED to build the wall the 2 years they were in power?

Answer: Because they don't want a wall and neither do the Dims who are both in the back pockets of these drug lords.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

Operation Fast and Furious was an Obama scheme to help arm the drug cartels.

From Wiki:






Weapons recovered by Mexican military in Naco, Sonora, Mexico on November 20, 2009. They include weapons bought two weeks earlier by Operation Fast and Furious suspect Uriel Patino, who bought 723 guns during the operation.[1]
"Gunwalking", or "letting guns walk", was a tactic of the Arizona Field Office of the United States Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), which ran a series of sting operations[2][3] between 2006[4] and 2011[2][5] in the Tucson and Phoenix area where the ATF "purposely allowed licensed firearms dealers to sell weapons to illegal straw buyers, hoping to track the guns to Mexican drug cartel leaders and arrest them".[6] These operations were done under the umbrella of Project Gunrunner, a project intended to stem the flow of firearms into Mexico by interdicting straw purchasers and gun traffickers within the United States.[7] The Jacob Chambers Case began in October 2009 and eventually became known in February 2010 as "Operation Fast and Furious" after agents discovered Chambers and the other suspects under investigation belonged to a car club.[1]

The stated goal of allowing these purchases was to continue to track the firearms as they were transferred to higher-level traffickers and key figures in Mexican cartels, with the expectation that this would lead to their arrests and the dismantling of the cartels.[6][8][9] The tactic was questioned during the operations by a number of people, including ATF field agents and cooperating licensed gun dealers.[10][11][12][13][14] During Operation Fast and Furious, the largest "gunwalking" probe, the ATF monitored the sale of about 2,000[1]:203[15] firearms, of which only 710 were recovered as of February 2012[update].[1]:203 A number of straw purchasers have been arrested and indicted; however, as of October 2011, none of the targeted high-level cartel figures had been arrested.[6]

Guns tracked by the ATF have been found at crime scenes on both sides of the Mexico–United States border, and the scene where United States Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry was killed in December 2010. The "gunwalking" operations became public in the aftermath of Terry's murder.[2] Dissenting ATF agents came forward to Congress in response.[16][17] According to Humberto Benítez Treviño, former Mexican Attorney General and chair of the justice committee in the Chamber of Deputies, related firearms have been found at numerous crime scenes in Mexico where at least 150 Mexican civilians were maimed or killed.[18] Revelations of "gunwalking" led to controversy in both countries, and diplomatic relations were damaged.[2]

As a result of a dispute over the release of Justice Department documents related to the scandal, Attorney General Eric Holder became the first sitting member of the Cabinet of the United States to be held in contempt of Congress on June 28, 2012.[19][20] At Holder's request, President Barack Obama had invoked executive privilege for the first time in his presidency in order to withhold documents that "were not generated in the course of the conduct of Fast and Furious."[21][22]

So as we see, the arming of criminals across the border only resulted in innocent people dying and no one arrested.

Funny that.

In fact, to this very day the Obama administration refuses to surrender details of the operation even though they were in contempt of Congress for not doing so.

Where is Mueller when you actually need him?

Fast and Furious was a scheme to facilitate gun control.

 

[Votto]

Operation Fast and Furious was an Obama scheme to help arm the drug cartels.

From Wiki:






Weapons recovered by Mexican military in Naco, Sonora, Mexico on November 20, 2009. They include weapons bought two weeks earlier by Operation Fast and Furious suspect Uriel Patino, who bought 723 guns during the operation.[1]
"Gunwalking", or "letting guns walk", was a tactic of the Arizona Field Office of the United States Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), which ran a series of sting operations[2][3] between 2006[4] and 2011[2][5] in the Tucson and Phoenix area where the ATF "purposely allowed licensed firearms dealers to sell weapons to illegal straw buyers, hoping to track the guns to Mexican drug cartel leaders and arrest them".[6] These operations were done under the umbrella of Project Gunrunner, a project intended to stem the flow of firearms into Mexico by interdicting straw purchasers and gun traffickers within the United States.[7] The Jacob Chambers Case began in October 2009 and eventually became known in February 2010 as "Operation Fast and Furious" after agents discovered Chambers and the other suspects under investigation belonged to a car club.[1]

The stated goal of allowing these purchases was to continue to track the firearms as they were transferred to higher-level traffickers and key figures in Mexican cartels, with the expectation that this would lead to their arrests and the dismantling of the cartels.[6][8][9] The tactic was questioned during the operations by a number of people, including ATF field agents and cooperating licensed gun dealers.[10][11][12][13][14] During Operation Fast and Furious, the largest "gunwalking" probe, the ATF monitored the sale of about 2,000[1]:203[15] firearms, of which only 710 were recovered as of February 2012[update].[1]:203 A number of straw purchasers have been arrested and indicted; however, as of October 2011, none of the targeted high-level cartel figures had been arrested.[6]

Guns tracked by the ATF have been found at crime scenes on both sides of the Mexico–United States border, and the scene where United States Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry was killed in December 2010. The "gunwalking" operations became public in the aftermath of Terry's murder.[2] Dissenting ATF agents came forward to Congress in response.[16][17] According to Humberto Benítez Treviño, former Mexican Attorney General and chair of the justice committee in the Chamber of Deputies, related firearms have been found at numerous crime scenes in Mexico where at least 150 Mexican civilians were maimed or killed.[18] Revelations of "gunwalking" led to controversy in both countries, and diplomatic relations were damaged.[2]

As a result of a dispute over the release of Justice Department documents related to the scandal, Attorney General Eric Holder became the first sitting member of the Cabinet of the United States to be held in contempt of Congress on June 28, 2012.[19][20] At Holder's request, President Barack Obama had invoked executive privilege for the first time in his presidency in order to withhold documents that "were not generated in the course of the conduct of Fast and Furious."[21][22]

So as we see, the arming of criminals across the border only resulted in innocent people dying and no one arrested.

Funny that.

In fact, to this very day the Obama administration refuses to surrender details of the operation even though they were in contempt of Congress for not doing so.

Where is Mueller when you actually need him?

Fast and Furious was a scheme to facilitate gun control.

Facilitate gun control?

What does that mean?

Not one drug lord was stopped with the scheme while thousands of innocent people lay dead because of it.

Meanwhile, they spend all their time hatching schemes to take guns away from law abiding American citizens.

This is yet more proof that Obama and Eric Holder were having their pockets greased by these drug lords.

Obama went into office worth around a million dollars. He left office x 30 that amount.

I wonder how that works.......................

 

[Tijn Von Ingersleben]

Every state is controlled by a mafia. These mafias just have different forms/names.

 

[Votto]

Every state is controlled by a mafia. These mafias just have different forms/names.

Well with about 200 Americans dying every day, we must target securing the border to help end this madness as a first step.

I'm not sure how mafias around the US are contributing to more deaths every day, do you?

 

[danielpalos]

Mexican Drug Cartels and the Art of Political Puppetry | HuffPost

It is no secret that drug cartels have had and continue to have a strong influence on governments, such as the one in Mexico as this article gives evidence for.

But what of the rest of the world? Are we to believe that other governments around the world are not influenced in a similar way?

HSBC scandal: Britain's biggest bank let drug gangs launder millions - and faces a £640million fine | Daily Mail Online

Money laundering schemes like the one above show otherwise. This article discusses how a bank in England was involved in helping drug cartels launder money.

But as far as finding articles linking US politicians directly to the drug cartels, good luck. With both parties refusing to secure the border one can only speculate as to the influence of these drug cartels with about 200 American dying every day from drug overdoses.

there is no drug war clause in our federal Constitution and the right wing refuses to pay for that policy. it should be abolished on those grounds alone.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

You meme is a lie. Comey was not a member of the board till 2013, the laundering took place prior to 2012.

 

[Tijn Von Ingersleben]

Every state is controlled by a mafia. These mafias just have different forms/names.

Well with about 200 Americans dying every day, we must target securing the border to help end this madness as a first step.

I'm not sure how mafias around the US are contributing to more deaths every day, do you?

My point escapes you. Mafia's are in reference to controlling entities who utilize criminal and non-criminal means to maintain the reins of power. Mexico has their cartels who bribe and kill, we have ours as well. Ours are just a little more polished.

 

[NightFox]

Every state is controlled by a mafia. These mafias just have different forms/names.

Well with about 200 Americans dying every day, we must target securing the border to help end this madness as a first step.

I'm not sure how mafias around the US are contributing to more deaths every day, do you?

My point escapes you. Mafia's are in reference to controlling entities who utilize criminal and non-criminal means to maintain the reins of power. Mexico has their cartels who bribe and kill, we have ours as well. Ours are just a little more polished.

Yep, ours are just a little more polished because Crime Family-R and Crime Family-D have the veneer of legitimacy that huge marketing and public relations machinery lends them. Strip that away and it's readily apparent that in method and practice they're no different than the Cali Cartel.

 

[Votto]

You meme is a lie. Comey was not a member of the board till 2013, the laundering took place prior to 2012.

You meme is a lie. Comey was not a member of the board till 2013, the laundering took place prior to 2012.

Good catch. This is from wiki

He was also appointed to the board of directors of the London-based financial institution HSBC Holdings,[71] to improve the company's compliance program after its $1.9 billion settlement with the Justice Department for failing to comply with basic due diligence requirements for money laundering regarding Mexican drug cartels and terrorism financing.[72][73] Since 2012, he has also served on the Defense Legal Policy Board.[74]

So essentially Comey was put in place to "clean up" and "hide" their past sins.

Not much better really.