Draft: Right or Wrong?

[Muhammed]

In my opinion we have not had one necessary war since WW2.

I have to disagree with that. US involvement in WWII was totally unnecessary and a huge mistake.

FDR and the 77th congress drug us into that bloodbath for no good reason.

 

[Cain]

Volunteer army has been so much better than the armies before. And there has never been a time when the draft here was anything but disgraceful.

Volunteer means more committed, better disciplined, smarter, better trained.

The only problem with the all volunteer force is that it looks as if it is going to create a sort of aristocracy. A kid goes in for three years, his college is paid for, so he does that. He has the military on his resume, and employers see getting out of the military with an E4 or better as a huge positive. So anyone who has done a tour in the military and then done college is going to have the pick of the cream of occupations when he gets out.

Every time you write something, I realize how little you understand how things work.

I was in the military. Rich people do not go into the military unless they have committed some crime and the judge gave them a choice. It's supposed to be illegal, but it happens all the time.

People go in to escape poverty, get a guaranteed home loan, and get the GI Bill. No one goes to live in a trench because they love a country that turns it's back on them unless they're rich.

Besides, if rich people love this country so damn much, how come they don't serve? Duh! They don'e even want to pay taxes.

After you get that education and that home and start a family, THEN you realize how much you love this country because you were able to do something here that you couldn't do someplace or even anyplace else. No one loves anything for no reason.

Being overseas and seeing what it's like in other countries helps.

In fact, because of the wars, the military as accepted a bunch of felons that otherwise never would have gotten in. They raised the age to be a private to what? Forty or something outrageous? Do you even need a high school diploma anymore?

We should have a draft. Give EVERYONE the chance to really love this country. Let's see how fast those rich assholes in congress would be willing to send their kids off to some place like Iraq.

Do you want me to pm you the stuff you go through to get into the USAF currently? (July 11th 2010 is as current as I can be). It isn't exactly 'easy'.

 

[Granny]

Volunteer army has been so much better than the armies before. And there has never been a time when the draft here was anything but disgraceful.

Volunteer means more committed, better disciplined, smarter, better trained.

The only problem with the all volunteer force is that it looks as if it is going to create a sort of aristocracy. A kid goes in for three years, his college is paid for, so he does that. He has the military on his resume, and employers see getting out of the military with an E4 or better as a huge positive. So anyone who has done a tour in the military and then done college is going to have the pick of the cream of occupations when he gets out.

I agree on some parts of your post but not on others. I'm not certain I agree that our draft system has always been disgraceful - different eras, different outlooks at those times. I more or less look at the Vietnam era draft as a "breaking point" - bravery vs. cowardice.

I also don't see a situation of aristocracy being created. Not all service personnel take up the college option even though it's offered in their contract. Rank is something they have to work for - it's not automatically granted because of years of service or anything else.

I think we should have a draft but we need better draftees before we go back to that - and that's going to take some doing.

 

[rightwinger]

We have a voluntary Military for 35 years. We also have the most powerful military in the history of mankind. There is no threat to our power. Why change?

Ever heard of CHINA?

Seriously, how do you manage such ignorance?

Man Child

You are showing your ignorance of military and global affairs once again. China has 1.5 billion people...impressive, isn't it?

They also have a three million man Army, whose primary focus is controlling those 1.5 billion people. In 60 years, they have been unable to mount an invasion of Taiwan which is 90 miles away. You think they could invade the US?

The US Defense budget is greater than the next 20 nations combined which includes China. They lack the Navy, intercontenental missile strength, intelligence, air power and international bases to threaten US superiority

That belt of false victories is getting pretty heavy isn't it man-child?

 

[(R)IGHTeous 1]

We have a voluntary Military for 35 years. We also have the most powerful military in the history of mankind. There is no threat to our power. Why change?

Ever heard of CHINA?

Seriously, how do you manage such ignorance?

Man Child

You are showing your ignorance of military and global affairs once again. China has 1.5 billion people...impressive, isn't it?

They also have a three million man Army, whose primary focus is controlling those 1.5 billion people. In 60 years, they have been unable to mount an invasion of Taiwan which is 90 miles away. You think they could invade the US?

The US Defense budget is greater than the next 20 nations combined which includes China. They lack the Navy, intercontenental missile strength, intelligence, air power and international bases to threaten US superiority

That belt of false victories is getting pretty heavy isn't it man-child?

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Thank you for pwning yourself for me. If you read, for once, and stopped pathologically lyin....for once You'd see that the obvious reason China continues to build up its military is to CHALLENGE US IN THE WESTERN PACIFIC.

Why don't you actually try reading news for once, like yesterday, where I pointed that out, along with a prominent U.S. Admiral, that that's the whole point behind their new carrier killer missle.

WHO ELSE'S CARRIERS WOULD THEY FEEL THEY MIGHT NEED TO SINK? WHO ELSE COULD EVEN POSSIBLY CHALLENGE THEM?

I could go on, but I sense that common sense is lost on someone like you, a certifiably pwned, fake profile, faker with no credibility to talk bout anyone else's, especially their sigs.

Keep finding new, obvious ways to stay on my pwned belt tho, aint my fault you put yourself there. I can tell teh real is hurting you.

 

[High_Gravity]

In my opinion we have not had one necessary war since WW2.

I have to disagree with that. US involvement in WWII was totally unnecessary and a huge mistake.

FDR and the 77th congress drug us into that bloodbath for no good reason.

You are an idiot Abu, the US was attacked and had no choice but to get involved in WW2. You are a dumb ass, read something else besides the Quran.

 

[rightwinger]

Ever heard of CHINA?

Seriously, how do you manage such ignorance?

Man Child

You are showing your ignorance of military and global affairs once again. China has 1.5 billion people...impressive, isn't it?

They also have a three million man Army, whose primary focus is controlling those 1.5 billion people. In 60 years, they have been unable to mount an invasion of Taiwan which is 90 miles away. You think they could invade the US?

The US Defense budget is greater than the next 20 nations combined which includes China. They lack the Navy, intercontenental missile strength, intelligence, air power and international bases to threaten US superiority

That belt of false victories is getting pretty heavy isn't it man-child?

^^^^^^^

Thank you for pwning yourself for me. If you read, for once, and stopped pathologically lyin....for once You'd see that the obvious reason China continues to build up its military is to CHALLENGE US IN THE WESTERN PACIFIC.

Why don't you actually try reading news for once, like yesterday, where I pointed that out, along with a prominent U.S. Admiral, that that's the whole point behind their new carrier killer missle.

WHO ELSE'S CARRIERS WOULD THEY FEEL THEY MIGHT NEED TO SINK? WHO ELSE COULD EVEN POSSIBLY CHALLENGE THEM?

I could go on, but I sense that common sense is lost on someone like you, a certifiably pwned, fake profile, faker with no credibility to talk bout anyone else's, especially their sigs.

Keep finding new, obvious ways to stay on my pwned belt tho, aint my fault you put yourself there. I can tell teh real is hurting you.

Lets see Man-Child

The US has 10 Super Carrier task forces.....China has.......None
The US has the most dominant international submarine fleet....China just patrols locally
There is no current navy on earth capable of competing with the US

China is using its newfound wealth to build up its military, but unlike the US, China's military must remain focused on maintaining internal control over its population. China's influence on the region is increasing...but for you to somehow put them on par with a superpower such as ourselves once again reveals your simplistic views of world afairs

 

[Muhammed]

In my opinion we have not had one necessary war since WW2.

I have to disagree with that. US involvement in WWII was totally unnecessary and a huge mistake.

FDR and the 77th congress drug us into that bloodbath for no good reason.

You are an idiot Abu, the US was attacked and had no choice but to get involved in WW2. You are a dumb ass, read something else besides the Quran.

Actually, you are the one that needs to hit the books. The USA got involved in the war and took sides before we were attacked.

But you are obviously too uneducated to know that.

 

[High_Gravity]

I have to disagree with that. US involvement in WWII was totally unnecessary and a huge mistake.

FDR and the 77th congress drug us into that bloodbath for no good reason.

You are an idiot Abu, the US was attacked and had no choice but to get involved in WW2. You are a dumb ass, read something else besides the Quran.

Actually, you are the one that needs to hit the books. The USA got involved in the war and took sides before we were attacked.

But you are obviously too uneducated to know that.

You are a fucking idiot and liar abu.

Answers.com - Why did the US initially stay neutral in World War 2

American Isolationism Before World War II

 

[(R)IGHTeous 1]

rightwinger wrote:

The US has 10 Super Carrier task forces.....China has.......None
The US has the most dominant international submarine fleet....China just patrols locally
There is no current navy on earth capable of competing with the US

Irrelevant deflection, as is typical from your oblivious self. Our obvious military superiority wasn't my point, MY POINT IS CHINA'S RAPIDLY GROWING MILITARY MIGHT AND ASSERTIVENESS IS A THREAT TO US, they don't even really deny their new power projections are meant as a threat anymore.

By Bill Gertz
The Washington Times Online Edition

China's military is deploying a new anti-ship ballistic missile that can sink U.S. aircraft carriers, a weapon that specialists say gives Beijing new power-projection capabilities that will affect U.S. support for its Pacific allies.

Adm. Robert F. Willard, commander of the U.S. Pacific Command, disclosed to a Japanese newspaper on Sunday that the new anti-ship ballistic missile (ASBM) is now in the early stages of deployment after having undergone extensive testing.

The four-star admiral, who has been an outspoken skeptic of China's claims that its large-scale military buildup is peaceful, said the U.S. deployment assessment is based on China's press reports and continued testing.

"Anti-access/area denial, which is a term that was relatively recently coined, is attempting to represent an entire range of capabilities that China has developed and that other countries have developed," he said.

The new weapons can threaten "archipelagos" in Asia, such as Japan and Philippines, as well as Vietnam and other states that "are falling within the envelope of this, of an A2/AD capability of China," Adm. Willard said.

"That should be concerning - and we know is concerning - to those countries," he said.

Adm. Willard said the new weapons are "an expanded capability that ranges beyond the first island chain and overlaps countries in the region."

"For that reason, it is concerning to Southeast Asia, [and] it remains concerning to the United States."

Wallace "Chip" Gregson, assistant defense secretary for Asian and Pacific security affairs, said in a speech earlier this month that China's new anti-access and area-denial weapons, including the DF-21D, "threaten our primary means of projecting power: our bases, our sea and air assets, and the networks that support them."

He warned that China's military buildup could "upend the regional security balance."

Richard Fisher, a China military-affairs specialist, said the new ASBM is only one part of a series of new Chinese weapons that threaten the region.

China has carrier-killer missile, U.S. admiral says - Washington Times

Reeeeal big for your clueless self. Get it now?

The facts really speak for themselves, this is the obvious, common sense assessment. How DO you manage such continued ignorance?

China is using its newfound wealth to build up its military, but unlike the US, China's military must remain focused on maintaining internal control over its population. China's influence on the region is increasing...but for you to somehow put them on par with a superpower such as ourselves once again reveals your simplistic views of world afairs.

Keep repeating the same old, irrelevant, obvious points I never denied in the 1st place, it's really helping your credibility.

 

[rightwinger]

rightwinger wrote:

The US has 10 Super Carrier task forces.....China has.......None
The US has the most dominant international submarine fleet....China just patrols locally
There is no current navy on earth capable of competing with the US

Irrelevant deflection, as is typical from your oblivious self. Our obvious military superiority wasn't my point, MY POINT IS CHINA'S RAPIDLY GROWING MILITARY MIGHT AND ASSERTIVENESS IS A THREAT TO US, they don't even really deny their new power projections are meant as a threat anymore.

By Bill Gertz
The Washington Times Online Edition

China's military is deploying a new anti-ship ballistic missile that can sink U.S. aircraft carriers, a weapon that specialists say gives Beijing new power-projection capabilities that will affect U.S. support for its Pacific allies.

Adm. Robert F. Willard, commander of the U.S. Pacific Command, disclosed to a Japanese newspaper on Sunday that the new anti-ship ballistic missile (ASBM) is now in the early stages of deployment after having undergone extensive testing.

The four-star admiral, who has been an outspoken skeptic of China's claims that its large-scale military buildup is peaceful, said the U.S. deployment assessment is based on China's press reports and continued testing.

"Anti-access/area denial, which is a term that was relatively recently coined, is attempting to represent an entire range of capabilities that China has developed and that other countries have developed," he said.

The new weapons can threaten "archipelagos" in Asia, such as Japan and Philippines, as well as Vietnam and other states that "are falling within the envelope of this, of an A2/AD capability of China," Adm. Willard said.

"That should be concerning - and we know is concerning - to those countries," he said.

Adm. Willard said the new weapons are "an expanded capability that ranges beyond the first island chain and overlaps countries in the region."

"For that reason, it is concerning to Southeast Asia, [and] it remains concerning to the United States."

Wallace "Chip" Gregson, assistant defense secretary for Asian and Pacific security affairs, said in a speech earlier this month that China's new anti-access and area-denial weapons, including the DF-21D, "threaten our primary means of projecting power: our bases, our sea and air assets, and the networks that support them."

He warned that China's military buildup could "upend the regional security balance."

Richard Fisher, a China military-affairs specialist, said the new ASBM is only one part of a series of new Chinese weapons that threaten the region.

China has carrier-killer missile, U.S. admiral says - Washington Times

Reeeeal big for your clueless self. Get it now?

The facts really speak for themselves, this is the obvious, common sense assessment. How DO you manage such continued ignorance?

China is using its newfound wealth to build up its military, but unlike the US, China's military must remain focused on maintaining internal control over its population. China's influence on the region is increasing...but for you to somehow put them on par with a superpower such as ourselves once again reveals your simplistic views of world afairs.

Keep repeating the same old, irrelevant, obvious points I never denied in the 1st place, it's really helping your credibility.

My eyes!....My eyes!

Look at that font size!

Man-child obviously subtitutes size of font for size of logic


Come back when you have an understanding of what you cut and paste

 

[(R)IGHTeous 1]

rightwinger wrote:

The US has 10 Super Carrier task forces.....China has.......None
The US has the most dominant international submarine fleet....China just patrols locally
There is no current navy on earth capable of competing with the US

Irrelevant deflection, as is typical from your oblivious self. Our obvious military superiority wasn't my point, MY POINT IS CHINA'S RAPIDLY GROWING MILITARY MIGHT AND ASSERTIVENESS IS A THREAT TO US, they don't even really deny their new power projections are meant as a threat anymore.

By Bill Gertz
The Washington Times Online Edition

China's military is deploying a new anti-ship ballistic missile that can sink U.S. aircraft carriers, a weapon that specialists say gives Beijing new power-projection capabilities that will affect U.S. support for its Pacific allies.

Adm. Robert F. Willard, commander of the U.S. Pacific Command, disclosed to a Japanese newspaper on Sunday that the new anti-ship ballistic missile (ASBM) is now in the early stages of deployment after having undergone extensive testing.

The four-star admiral, who has been an outspoken skeptic of China's claims that its large-scale military buildup is peaceful, said the U.S. deployment assessment is based on China's press reports and continued testing.

"Anti-access/area denial, which is a term that was relatively recently coined, is attempting to represent an entire range of capabilities that China has developed and that other countries have developed," he said.

The new weapons can threaten "archipelagos" in Asia, such as Japan and Philippines, as well as Vietnam and other states that "are falling within the envelope of this, of an A2/AD capability of China," Adm. Willard said.

"That should be concerning - and we know is concerning - to those countries," he said.

Adm. Willard said the new weapons are "an expanded capability that ranges beyond the first island chain and overlaps countries in the region."

"For that reason, it is concerning to Southeast Asia, [and] it remains concerning to the United States."

Wallace "Chip" Gregson, assistant defense secretary for Asian and Pacific security affairs, said in a speech earlier this month that China's new anti-access and area-denial weapons, including the DF-21D, "threaten our primary means of projecting power: our bases, our sea and air assets, and the networks that support them."

He warned that China's military buildup could "upend the regional security balance."

Richard Fisher, a China military-affairs specialist, said the new ASBM is only one part of a series of new Chinese weapons that threaten the region.

China has carrier-killer missile, U.S. admiral says - Washington Times

Reeeeal big for your clueless self. Get it now?

The facts really speak for themselves, this is the obvious, common sense assessment. How DO you manage such continued ignorance?

China is using its newfound wealth to build up its military, but unlike the US, China's military must remain focused on maintaining internal control over its population. China's influence on the region is increasing...but for you to somehow put them on par with a superpower such as ourselves once again reveals your simplistic views of world afairs.

Keep repeating the same old, irrelevant, obvious points I never denied in the 1st place, it's really helping your credibility.

My eyes!....My eyes!

Look at that font size!

Man-child obviously subtitutes size of font for size of logic


Come back when you have an understanding of what you cut and paste

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Annnnd no legit rebuttal. AGAIN.

Your spamming aside. It's obvious to me, you, and now the whole forum, board, shit world that you can't refute SHIT, none of that article, so you resort to pot shots.

Thank you again for being a shining testament to how accurate my pwned belt is, I might be causing a fad.

You're done, beat, next time, actually try to debate instead of irrelevant deflections, petty pot shots, etc. Know your betters fakewinger.

 

[rightwinger]

Man child

You have to understand what you post. Just using large fonts does not help your case. You continue to show your immaturity and superficial understanding of what you look up. ASBMs have been around since before the Falklands War. I know you have only been following the news for a few years and your knowledge of history is limited, but the Falklands demonstrated the impact of ASBMs and the US Navy has always been aware of the threat for decades
Having anti-ship missiles does not make China a superpower.
You honestly need to do a better job of researching your case. Your posturing does not make up for your lack of experience

 

[Shooter]

I have no problem with the draft. It's your price of admission to live in this country.

That being said you will NEVER see another draft in this country. Ever.

 

[rightwinger]

I have no problem with the draft. It's your price of admission to live in this country.

That being said you will NEVER see another draft in this country. Ever.

It would take a WWII sized conflict

 

[Big Black Dog]

I think any male living in America should be required to do at least two years in any branch of the military he would see fit to join. I think this should be before college - right out of high school. In order to enroll in any college, proof of the fulfillment of two years military service should be required to be provided. There are exceptions to everything such as health conflicts, and such but other than that - get in line.

 

[rightwinger]

I think any male living in America should be required to do at least two years in any branch of the military he would see fit to join. I think this should be before college - right out of high school. In order to enroll in any college, proof of the fulfillment of two years military service should be required to be provided. There are exceptions to everything such as health conflicts, and such but other than that - get in line.

Problem is most of those males are fat asses whose best skills involve playing video games

 

[AquaAthena]

I would be for the draft combined with a strong missile defense system, which we just lost.

 

[Muhammed]

You are an idiot Abu, the US was attacked and had no choice but to get involved in WW2. You are a dumb ass, read something else besides the Quran.

Actually, you are the one that needs to hit the books. The USA got involved in the war and took sides before we were attacked.

But you are obviously too uneducated to know that.

You are a fucking idiot and liar abu.

You are ignorant of US history.

If you freeze their assets and institute a boycott against one party in a conflict, and at the same time you start giving armaments to the other party, you are no longer neutral. You have officially taken sides in the conflict.

And that is exactly how FDR and the 77th congress dragged us into WWII.

Concerning the Sino-Japanese conflict, the US aggressively moved the Pacific fleet from San Diego to Pearl Harbor, extended the so called "lend-lease Act" to include sending armaments to China, implimented a boycott of petroleum products and scrap metal exports to Japan, and froze Japanese assets in the US. In other words we were not neutral, we actively took sides in the conflict.

And in regards to the European conflict, the US froze all German and Italian assets in the US and started giving massive amounts of military equipment to Great Britian. We actively took sides in the war.

Again, you need to hit the history books.

 

[(R)IGHTeous 1]

Actually, you are the one that needs to hit the books. The USA got involved in the war and took sides before we were attacked.

But you are obviously too uneducated to know that.

You are a fucking idiot and liar abu.

You are ignorant of US history.

If you freeze their assets and institute a boycott against one party in a conflict, and at the same time you start giving armaments to the other party, you are no longer neutral. You have officially taken sides in the conflict.

And that is exactly how FDR and the 77th congress dragged us into WWII.

Concerning the Sino-Japanese conflict, the US aggressively moved the Pacific fleet from San Diego to Pearl Harbor, extended the so called "lend-lease Act" to include sending armaments to China, implimented a boycott of petroleum products and scrap metal exports to Japan, and froze Japanese assets in the US. In other words we were not neutral, we actively took sides in the conflict.

And in regards to the European conflict, the US froze all German and Italian assets in the US and started giving massive amounts of military equipment to Great Britian. We actively took sides in the war.

Again, you need to hit the history books.

^^^^^^^

If you want ignorance, look in a mirror dude. My boy HG can pwn you no problem.

WE ARE NEVER OFFICIALLY @ WAR UNTIL CONGRESS OFFICIALLY DECLARES SUCH. THAT IS ITS DUTY ENSHRINED IN OUR CONSTITUTION.

The actions you detailed were NOTHING MORE THAN UNofficial support.

You clearly know next to NOTHIN bout U.S. government, history, or, obviously the Constitution.

Hence why you still have NO rep. points.