Dr George Miley Gets 1st US Patent for a LENR/"Cold Fusion" Device

[JimBowie1958]

George Miley’s LENR Patent | LENR - COLD FUSION

George Miley has been granted a patent on LENR-related technology. I’m not sure of the full implications of this patent, but it would seem to be good news for Dr. Miley and the LENR/CF fields. It seems that Dr. Miley’s patent mentions a range of possible applications of the technology, and this may be part of the way he was able to get it through the USPTO...

What is fascinating about Miley’s work is that he is able to generate heat without heating the device with electrical resistance. Readers may recall that Miley started a commercial venture in Champaign, IL, earlier this year called Lenuco. We’ve not heard much from Dr. Miley since that time, but hopefully we’ll hear more from him soon.

The patent
Patent US8227020 - Dislocation site formation techniques - Google Patents

A theory of how it works....
Is the “Weak Force” the Key to LENR?

 

[ScienceRocks]

At least there's one piece of hard evidence support LENR. About time...

I think it is a few decades off from being integrated into society.

 

[JimBowie1958]

At least there's one piece of hard evidence support LENR. About time...

I think it is a few decades off from being integrated into society.

So the demo that has been running at MIT for the last 9 months with a COP of 20+ doesnt count?

I am fascinated at how much grip the science establishment has on peoples thinnking when the trend has always been that the more disruptive a new technology is, the less likely the scientific establishment is to accepting it as legit. This goes back to the Wright brothers, mechanical harvesters and steam powered ships.

At least continue to keep an open mind.

BTW, if Rossi is not a fraud, and I seriously doubt that he is, his 1MW units are going on sale now. In three months his first nonmilitary customer will have the unit installed and open to potential customers for inspection. How long do you think it will take for companies to start buying those units?

I suspect it will be like the spread of most new tech these past twelve years or so, like the iphone. By 2015 these things will be all over the place, and by 2020 most US homes will have some kind of LENR device providing some amount of power. It will catch on even faster in Europe where the EU has been quick to look hard at this new technology.

 

[mamooth]

So where's the gamma, with either Rossi or Miley or Hagelstein's MIT demo? If there's no gamma radiation emitted, then there's no fusion going on.

Before these guys talk about commercializing it, it would be nice if they could simply make it reproducable. Explaining that lack of any gamma radiation would be another plus, given that the gamma (or possibly neutron) radiation is how fusion makes heat. Just what is the physical mechanism of heat creation if no radiation is being emitted?

 

[JimBowie1958]

So where's the gamma, with either Rossi or Miley or Hagelstein's MIT demo? If there's no gamma radiation emitted, then there's no fusion going on.

That is right BECAUSE THERE IS NO FUSION GOING ON!

It is something nuclear, but not fusion, probably so kind of neutron capture. If you would read a bit on the theories for LENR you would have answers, dude.

Before these guys talk about commercializing it, it would be nice if they could simply make it reproducable.

It *is* reproducable now, bubba.

Explaining that lack of any gamma radiation would be another plus, given that the gamma (or possibly neutron) radiation is how fusion makes heat. Just what is the physical mechanism of heat creation if no radiation is being emitted?

There are a number of theories and Widom Larsen is the most popular at the moment, but other things could explain it as well.

New Energy Times - Widom-Larsen Theory Portal

Allan Widom and Lewis Larsen propose that, in condensed matter, local breakdown of the Born-Oppenheimer approximation occurs in homogeneous, many-body, collectively oscillating patches of protons, deuterons, or tritons found on surfaces of fully loaded metallic hydrides; Born-Oppenheimer breakdown enables a degree of electromagnetic coupling of surface proton/deuteron/triton oscillations with those of nearby surface plasmon polariton (SPP) electrons. Such coupling between collective oscillations creates local nuclear-strength electric fields in the vicinity of the patches.

SPP electrons bathed in such high fields increase their effective mass, thus becoming heavy electrons. Widom and Larsen propose that heavy SPP electrons can react directly with protons, deuterons, or tritons located in surface patches through an inverse beta decay process that results in simultaneous collective production of one, two, or three neutrons, respectively, and a neutrino.
Collectively produced neutrons are created ultra-cold; that is, they have ultra-low momentum and extremely large quantum mechanical wavelengths and absorption cross-sections compared to “typical” neutrons at thermal energies.

Finally, Widom and Larsen propose that heavy SPP patch electrons are uniquely able to immediately convert almost any locally produced or incident gamma radiation directly into infrared heat energy, thus providing a form of built-in gamma shielding for LENR nuclear reactions.

 

[mamooth]

Reproducable means you can describe it in a paper to a degree where someone else can follow the design and make it work. So far, that hasn't happened. But let me guess. They can't do that, because they're afraid someone will steal their idea. What a convenient excuse, one we've never seen before.

Cold neutrons? Still no good. The fusing neutrons would create new elements, some of which would beta decay, and gamma would still be emitted. And given that some of the material is on the edge and gamma flies in all directions, there's no way 100% of the gamma it could be magically absorbed by the chromodynamic module powered by a tri-polymer plasma (to give an example of similar technobabble).

Finally, Widom and Larsen propose that heavy SPP patch electrons are uniquely able to immediately convert almost any locally produced or incident gamma radiation directly into infrared heat energy, thus providing a form of built-in gamma shielding for LENR nuclear reactions.

Nice technobabble, but it still doesn't explain the complete lack of gamma.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Reproducable means you can describe it in a paper to a degree where someone else can follow the design and make it work.

And that is done all the time, hell even a high school class did it in Italy, lol.

So far, that hasn't happened.

Yes, it has so happened.

But let me guess. They can't do that, because they're afraid someone will steal their idea. What a convenient excuse, one we've never seen before.

Huh? Miley's patent is linked in the OP.

Cold neutrons? Still no good. The fusing neutrons would create new elements, some of which would beta decay, and gamma would still be emitted.

Some is, but it is very low amounts that are less than background gama radiation. And no one is fusing neutron, they are slipping neutron into a heavy atoms nucleas and it then decayse releasing an electron or the proton and electron collapse into a neutron and that emits energy as well.

And given that some of the material is on the edge and gamma flies in all directions, there's no way 100% of the gamma it could be magically absorbed by the chromodynamic module powered by a tri-polymer plasma (to give an example of similar technobabble).

You seem to be thinking fusion again, and this is not fusion.

Finally, Widom and Larsen propose that heavy SPP patch electrons are uniquely able to immediately convert almost any locally produced or incident gamma radiation directly into infrared heat energy, thus providing a form of built-in gamma shielding for LENR nuclear reactions.

Nice technobabble, but it still doesn't explain the complete lack of gamma.

It isnt technobably, genius, as it is patented, central to emerging certified technology and has been accepted by scientists all ovver the world to include some nobel prize winners.

So on what basis do you simply dismiss this all as technobably? Because y ou dont understand it?

 

[JimBowie1958]

New Electrics: Wired Magazine Reports On E-CAT Cold Fusion

The weekend of 7 and 8 September saw a conference in Zurich on Rossi's reactor, known as the E-Cat. The conference mainly preached to the converted, attended by licensees who market E-Cat technology in different regions, like E-Cat Australia and Hydrofusion in the UK. Rossi has refused to give public demonstrations or prove the technology to sceptics; he wants to let the market decide. However, at the conference he produced a brief paper with details of third-party tests of an E-Cat.
The device tested was a new high-temperature model known as a Hot Cat. Previous E-Cats have been confined to around 200C -- useful for heating water but extremely inefficient for conversion to electricity. Since May 2011 Rossi has been talking about an improved version, and the new Hot Cat operates at a high enough temperature for electricity generation.
Although other scientists in the report have no known affiliations, one section was authored by David Bianchini, a radiation measurement specialist of the University of Bologna. The test, which ran for over six hours, measured an average temperature of 1,100-1,200C, and concluded that the energy output of the four-kilo Hot Cat was three 3.6 Kilowatts from an input of 1.28 Kw. Rossi says that a full scientific report will be available soon.