Double Standard

[Phoenall]

very soon it will be world wide after the attacks last Friday and the muslims will find it harder to invade Europe. Your politicians might want open borders but the UK doesn't and we will put our borders back in place.

You know, particularly for England, it is already too late to close the borders. They prostitute your children, destroy your education system just with there presence and even Christmas decoration gets banned in your country.

Israel has the right of it when they stop all Palestinians from crossing and make it hard for them to travel, they are showing the world how it should be done.

It was about expanding borders, right?

No it was about protecting Israel and its citizens, if it was about expanding borders do you think that Israel would have handed the Temple moiunt to the muslims ?

 

[Daniyel]

Obviously, but in the end of the day the EU decided to accept the BDS movement request and mark Israeli goods only.

Yeah. Hamas should be removed and borders should be acknowledged.

So you see the problem now?

Not exactly. For me, Netanyahu´s share of votes is insufficent to reign like a king. Israel´s party landscape is a race for the top of radikalism, anyway. I would vote the socialists.

So let's elaborate on this matter.
The fact EU made a one sided step to predetermine the borders, and embrace Hamas rather than remove it (seriously?? ) corners Israel into NOT willing to negotiate while de facto ruling the WB, while encouraging the Palestinians to maintain past behavior - spinning the cycle of the conflict further.

It´s your mistake, Daniyel. Don´t expect the EU to be reasonable. It is a bunch of megalomaniac lunatics. A NGO that has government-like competences granted by contracts. These contracts grant the EU total power without exceptions. The EU even lacks an area of competence. For example, German federal states have an area of competence: Police, education and culture. So when my state NRW decides that the new police uniforms must be blue but the EU says they must be pink and made by Hamas, they will be pink and made by Hamas.

You have a point.

 

[Bleipriester]

Not exactly. For me, Netanyahu´s share of votes is insufficent to reign like a king. Israel´s party landscape is a race for the top of radikalism, anyway. I would vote the socialists.

So let's elaborate on this matter.
The fact EU made a one sided step to predetermine the borders, and embrace Hamas rather than remove it (seriously?? ) corners Israel into NOT willing to negotiate while de facto ruling the WB, while encouraging the Palestinians to maintain past behavior - spinning the cycle of the conflict further.

It´s your mistake, Daniyel. Don´t expect the EU to be reasonable. It is a bunch of megalomaniac lunatics. A NGO that has government-like competences granted by contracts. These contracts grant the EU total power without exceptions. The EU even lacks an area of competence. For example, German federal states have an area of competence: Police, education and culture. So when my state NRW decides that the new police uniforms must be blue but the EU says they must be pink and made by Hamas, they will be pink and made by Hamas.

And this is why the UK wants out of the EU and to no longer be brought down by the neo Marxists running Europe. We have lost out national identity and are forced to pay the second largest amount into the coffers and get the least back out. We will reclaim our borders and evict the workshy Europeans and immigrants and stop the EU dabbling in our legal system, and there is nothing you or anyone else can do to change this. We decide what colour our Police uniforms will be, and which criminals will be deported not some eurocrat in Brussels

English lawmakers are even worse! Just take your iron lady. What a mess! She destroyed your identity and annihilated your industry almost entirely. Consult your economy´s share of industry - falling down to the bottom line during her war on England. Outsiders would think the country has been bombed like Germany in WWII.

She stood up to the Eurocrats and told them no many times.

It was the EU that destroyed our industry because we were better that the rest of Europe and showed up the other industrial nations. We were forced to bring in pollution controls or face heavy fines, then the subsidies were made illegal for the UK and we had to sell our nationalised industries to European private companies. So yes the UK has been bombed by Eurocrats that are now facing ruin because we will vote to leave the EU and send back all the immigrants and free loaders we have been forced to take in.

Did the EU capture Great Britain?
Early 1980s recession - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Phoenall]

What are you rambling on about now, the EU destroyed the UK industrial strength because we were better than they could ever be.

 

[RoccoR]

Daniyel, Bleipriester, et al,

I'm confused here.

Is this an argument for competency? The European Union (EU) is just an organizational framework for its membership; each member being an independent political states in its own right.

It´s your mistake, Daniyel. Don´t expect the EU to be reasonable. It is a bunch of megalomaniac lunatics. A NGO that has government-like competences granted by contracts. These contracts grant the EU total power without exceptions. The EU even lacks an area of competence. For example, German federal states have an area of competence: Police, education and culture. So when my state NRW decides that the new police uniforms must be blue but the EU says they must be pink and made by Hamas, they will be pink and made by Hamas.

You have a point.

(COMMENT)

Whatever competence the EU (a collective monetary body) has, is derivative and granted by its membership. It is a collective voice.

I'm pretty sure that the State of North Rhine-Westphalia, as part of the federation of states within the Federal Republic of Germany, has a very strong voice within the FRG parliament system of government --- which in turn, is a member of the EU.

What authority the EU demonstrates is collective in nature having the impact of 28 nations speaking in concert. The competency is based on the competency of the individual members.

There are many such organization that have come together for action relative to a common interest.

Most Respectively,
R

 

[Humanity]

What are you rambling on about now, the EU destroyed the UK industrial strength because we were better than they could ever be.

Nothing to with the over priced "UK industrial strength", the constant strikes and 3 day working weeks then!

 

[Bleipriester]

Daniyel, Bleipriester, et al,

I'm confused here.

Is this an argument for competency? The European Union (EU) is just an organizational framework for its membership; each member being an independent political states in its own right.

It´s your mistake, Daniyel. Don´t expect the EU to be reasonable. It is a bunch of megalomaniac lunatics. A NGO that has government-like competences granted by contracts. These contracts grant the EU total power without exceptions. The EU even lacks an area of competence. For example, German federal states have an area of competence: Police, education and culture. So when my state NRW decides that the new police uniforms must be blue but the EU says they must be pink and made by Hamas, they will be pink and made by Hamas.

You have a point.

(COMMENT)

Whatever competence the EU (a collective monetary body) has, is derivative and granted by its membership. It is a collective voice.

I'm pretty sure that the State of North Rhine-Westphalia, as part of the federation of states within the Federal Republic of Germany, has a very strong voice within the FRG parliament system of government --- which in turn, is a member of the EU.

What authority the EU demonstrates is collective in nature having the impact of 28 nations speaking in concert. The competency is based on the competency of the individual members.

There are many such organization that have come together for action relative to a common interest.

Most Respectively,
R

This is the shiny version of reality the EU wants to be "known". In reality, the EU is not approved by these 28 peoples.

 

[Phoenall]

What are you rambling on about now, the EU destroyed the UK industrial strength because we were better than they could ever be.

Nothing to with the over priced "UK industrial strength", the constant strikes and 3 day working weeks then!

No as there were no strikes and the goods were priced realistically, a little story for you that happened in 2001.

A well know German car maker looked for a cheap supply of 50b steel to make diesel engine cylinder heads from. The steel had to have a better than 10% inclusion rate with no more than 1% in a square metre. It had to be flat to a tolerance of 1mm over two metres and within 10% of stated dimensions. The whole idea was to have the least amount of waste generated in the forging and machining of the cylinder heads. We made the steel and perfected the heating, rolling and crack detection and provided the company with the steel at 1% over normal costs, this beat the best that Germany had to offer by over £1000 a tonne, and provided a minimum amount of waste. So how was in over priced as you claim. We were so good that we were given AQD and MoD accreditation every year from 1985 till the European owners closed us down. Just like our gas, electric and water companies are now forcing us to buy our needs from the European owners plants while running our own into the ground. In effect asset stripping the UK.

 

[Humanity]

What are you rambling on about now, the EU destroyed the UK industrial strength because we were better than they could ever be.

Nothing to with the over priced "UK industrial strength", the constant strikes and 3 day working weeks then!

No as there were no strikes and the goods were priced realistically, a little story for you that happened in 2001.

A well know German car maker looked for a cheap supply of 50b steel to make diesel engine cylinder heads from. The steel had to have a better than 10% inclusion rate with no more than 1% in a square metre. It had to be flat to a tolerance of 1mm over two metres and within 10% of stated dimensions. The whole idea was to have the least amount of waste generated in the forging and machining of the cylinder heads. We made the steel and perfected the heating, rolling and crack detection and provided the company with the steel at 1% over normal costs, this beat the best that Germany had to offer by over £1000 a tonne, and provided a minimum amount of waste. So how was in over priced as you claim. We were so good that we were given AQD and MoD accreditation every year from 1985 till the European owners closed us down. Just like our gas, electric and water companies are now forcing us to buy our needs from the European owners plants while running our own into the ground. In effect asset stripping the UK.

So you are saying that the winter of discontent didn't happen?

3 day weeks didn't happen?

There were no strikes in the late 70's/early 80's?

That it was not cheaper to buy coal and steel in virtually every other country than the UK?

Then, perhaps you can tell me why the coal and steel industries of the UK no longer exist... In terms other than your nationalistic, bigoted ideas!

 

[Phoenall]

What are you rambling on about now, the EU destroyed the UK industrial strength because we were better than they could ever be.

Nothing to with the over priced "UK industrial strength", the constant strikes and 3 day working weeks then!

No as there were no strikes and the goods were priced realistically, a little story for you that happened in 2001.

A well know German car maker looked for a cheap supply of 50b steel to make diesel engine cylinder heads from. The steel had to have a better than 10% inclusion rate with no more than 1% in a square metre. It had to be flat to a tolerance of 1mm over two metres and within 10% of stated dimensions. The whole idea was to have the least amount of waste generated in the forging and machining of the cylinder heads. We made the steel and perfected the heating, rolling and crack detection and provided the company with the steel at 1% over normal costs, this beat the best that Germany had to offer by over £1000 a tonne, and provided a minimum amount of waste. So how was in over priced as you claim. We were so good that we were given AQD and MoD accreditation every year from 1985 till the European owners closed us down. Just like our gas, electric and water companies are now forcing us to buy our needs from the European owners plants while running our own into the ground. In effect asset stripping the UK.

So you are saying that the winter of discontent didn't happen?

3 day weeks didn't happen?

There were no strikes in the late 70's/early 80's?

That it was not cheaper to buy coal and steel in virtually every other country than the UK?

Then, perhaps you can tell me why the coal and steel industries of the UK no longer exist... In terms other than your nationalistic, bigoted ideas!

No I am not saying that at all, as it is a matter of history that under a Marxist government we faced strikes and 3 day weeks during the 1970's. And that coal was so expensive that the Coal Board could not sell it. That is what led to the demise of the coal industry. Steel was so heavily subsidised that it was cheaper than in the rest of Europe. In 1974 when I first joined it was £100 a tonne finished, and bought in at £150 a tonne. By 1983 the privatised Steel industry was leaner and more competitive with no loss making taking place. The coal industry could not provide the best quality coking coal at a price that beat foreign imports and so the miners suffered. Same during the height of steam travel when all you could get was high sulphur coal that meant boilers needed re-tubing every two years and not every ten as originally designed. The main reason that coal failed was the greed of the miners and the politics of the miners Union that saw them as being invincible right up until the pits were closed down. The last miners strike hit the miners harder than it hit the people of the UK who no longer relied on coal, and brought down the miners union. Would you pay an inflated price for a poor quality product that was not guaranteed to be delivered in time ?