Don't take the Bolton Bait

[Crepitus]

Even if it turns out to be another bogus story, thinking people should be on guard against falling into the fallacious trap that President Trump committed some high crime or misdemeanor by pressuring Ukraine to investigate its past corrupt practices before receiving future aid from the United States.

The sole reason for even questioning Trump's actions is because it potentially involves a high-profile Democrat candidate for that Party's presidential nomination. Since when is that a legitimate immunization from criminal investigation?

Instead of Burisma, if President Trump had cited another corrupt organization without ties to Democrats, he would have been credited with fighting corruption and safeguarding public funds.

Don't take the bait that this was some sort of improper action. President Trump has been calling out corruption wherever he sees it. We should thank him for it.

Mentioned Joe Biden by name.

 

[georgephillip]

The Times has not checked this story out....all hearsay....seems the story originated in the agency that pre reads manuscripts of appointed and elected persons....the same agency that Vindman works in...

The story likely originated in Trump's White House:

Trump Tied Ukraine Aid to Inquiries He Sought, Bolton Book Says

"Mr. Bolton’s lawyer blamed the White House for the disclosure of the book’s contents.

"'It is clear, regrettably, from the New York Times article published today that the pre-publication review process has been corrupted and that information has been disclosed by persons other than those properly involved in reviewing the manuscript,' the lawyer, Charles J. Cooper, said Sunday night.

"He said he provided a copy of the book to the White House on Dec. 30 — 12 days after Mr. Trump was impeached — to be reviewed for classified information, though, he said, Mr. Bolton believed it contained none."

Why doesn't Trump testify under oath and clear up all the confusion?

 

[toomuchtime_]

To put it another way, the NYT reporters who wrote the story had no direct knowledge of what was in the book

How do you know that?

Trump Tied Ukraine Aid to Inquiries He Sought, Bolton Book Says

"Mr. Bolton’s explosive account of the matter at the center of Mr. Trump’s impeachment trial, the third in American history, was included in drafts of a manuscript he has circulated in recent weeks to close associates.

"He also sent a draft to the White House for a standard review process for some current and former administration officials who write books."

NYT reporters could have seen drafts circulated to Bolton's associates, or someone in the Trump White House could have leaked the contents.

lol I know that because I read the article and nowhere in it do they quote Bolton or claim they have seen the draft of the book. That means they are reporting on rumors they have no way of verifying.

 

[toomuchtime_]

ol There is no more official channel than the President of the US talking to the President of Ukraine and anyone the President designates to represent him on any issue is his official representative.

Bill Barr was confirmed by the Senate for his role in investigating potential crimes;

Rudy wasn't.

Any official investigation of Biden's part in Ukraine corruption should have gone through Barr.

Barr is thrust back in harsh glare as Ukraine scandal grows

"President Donald Trump never directly asked Attorney General William Barr to launch any type of investigation into Joe Biden, a Justice Department spokeswoman said Wednesday, clarifying that Barr’s denial of involvement extended beyond the Ukraine scandal.

"However, the revelation that Trump pressed Ukraine’s president to work with Barr to probe Biden is putting a harsh new glare on the attorney general and the Justice Department, as critics questioned whether both have been irreparably tarnished under Trump."

Even Barr wasn't corrupt enough to get involved with Trump's Ukraine corruption.

Luckily, Rudy had a few "drug deals" on the back burner.

The DoJ is carrying out investigations and expects to issue criminal indictments concerning actions taken during the 2016 election, and the Biden/Obama effort to bury Hunter Biden's scandal at Burisma will certainly fall within those investigations, but there is no specific investigation of the Bidens' corrupt actions by itself. There are no legal difficulties in using Rudy to assist with the investigations in Ukraine.

 

[airplanemechanic]

The Bidens and Joe's Children made Millions of Dollars off of Government Contracts Foreign Aid Kickbacks, Bribery, Graft, Extortion and out right theft.

The Democrats have been stealing Billions of Dollars from the taxpayers since Obama came to power, and most of it is laundered through family members, and their shell NGOs, Charities, and LLCs they set up to launder money through to their offshore accounts.

ALL ROADS LEAD TO UKRAINE

Don't forget one of the first things Trump did when he got in to office was do audits sending all these bureacrats in to a panicked state.

How did Hillary Clinton ‘lose’ $6 billion at the State Department?

One has to wonder why The Obama Administration, Clinton Campaign, Obama State Department, and Podesta Group were throwing so much money in to The Ukraine Elections to Oppose an Anti-Corruption Government that was trying to get elected there.

Obama did his dirty work through The Podesta Group, John Kerry, Hillary Clinton, John Brennan, Joe Biden, and The US Embassy In Ukraine, and funneled money in to a Ukraine NGO owned by Soros to oppose The Anti Corruption Candidates in Ukraine. Manfort and Gates were heavily used by The Obama Administration and Podesta Group for operations in Ukraine.

Then after that election when The Anti-Corruption Government was Elected, The Ukrainian Politicians Obama was supporting all fled to Russia.

Then Obama Seals his records on Ukraine citing Executive Privilege!

Then Obama had The Clinton Campaign be granted Full Blanket Immunity!

Then Obama had The Podesta Group be granted Full Blanket Immunity!

A Whistle Blower rats on Clinton about her secret Server which Obama denies knowledge of despite being caught in a lie when it was revealed he and his staff used aliases to communicate clandestinely with Clinton on that server so they could avoid FOIA and other types of discovery.

Comey Allows Clinton To Bleach Bit Her Server of 33,000 Emails!

The IT tech who Bleach Bitted Clinton's Server in violation of 2 Federal Court Orders is given immunity in exchange for testimony. He is asked 256 questions about his actions and about what he knows and despite having full immunity, pleads the 5th 256 Times!

Guccifer who says he and other countries did hack Clinton's Server despite The Obama Administration saying that never happened. Guccifer also says, he knows the original DNC Server was shipped to The Ukraine to hide it, and then an "edited copy" of the hard drive was given to Crowdstrike.

No Subpoena is ever issued on The DNC Server which The DNC Claimed was hacked and exposed Podesta's Emails. Only Crowdstrike looks at a copy of the VHD from the DNC Server and claims Russia hacked it. Weeks later, they had to retract nearly all of their statements as IT Techs all over the blogosphere called them out on all of their logical fallacies, errors, and technical nonsense. Lies in laymen terms.

Guccifer is arrested, extradited to The US and is locked up and is never heard from again.

Hillary Clinton Destroys 17 Electronic Devices!
Pakistani Hackers Hired by Clinton, Destroy dozens of hard drives as they flee The US!

Seth Rich gets murdered after uploading Podesta Emails to Assange.
The Remaining Hacker goes with Hillary Clinton to work on her campaign, despite being caught prying in to Congressional Files!

Comey sweeps all Clinton's Crimes Under the Rug.

The Obama Administration launches Russian Collusion COUP Hoax based on Russian Dirty Dossier he paid for that we now find out actually originated from The Ukraine and US Embassy. This Russian or Ukrainian Propaganda is later used falsely in FISA to get Wiretap Warrants on The Trump Campaign.

Gates and Manafort who worked for Obama and knew what was going on in The Ukraine, have their homes raided, are placed in solitary confinement, convicted on bogus charges and are never heard from again.

Julian Assange who says he got the Podesta Emails from Seth Rich is eventually Extradited, Locked Up and has never been hear from again!

Trump makes a phone call to congratulate The Ukraine President who ran on a Anti-Corruption Ukraine platform and then asks him to keep him informed about rumors of alleged corruption in Ukraine committed by The Obama Administration.

A Few weeks Later, Vindman a Ukrainian and his Brother who works for Adam Schiff, helps Adam Schiff and Eric Ciaramella write a Bogus Whistle Blower Report on a call to Ukraine!

Suddenly old footage of Joe Biden threatening The Ukraine to fire The Prosecutor Resurface as some people realize there is something fishy going on with this whole never ending attempt to remove President Trump.

Joe Biden:
"Fire The Prosecutor Investigating Hunter, or you aren't getting The Millions"!

President Trump shocks Schiff and releases The Transcript! contradicting The Whistle Blower Report

Schiff gets up in front of America and reads a completely Sham and Fictitious Manufactured Version of that phone call Transcript!

Adam Schiff who originally said everyone would get to interview The Whistle Blower shuts that down, says No, and then interrupts anyone who even dares to get close to revealing who The Whistle Blower is in testimony.

Schiff then has The IG Interview transcript which is critical of Schiff and The Whistleblower and seems to indicate Schiff lied about contact with The Whistleblower classified as "Intelligence" and refuses to allow The Trump Defense team to see that transcript. No one has seen it yet, and Schiff is refusing to turn it over.

The Pelosi Lead House Rushes to start an impeachment about The Ukraine phone call despite The Ukraine President telling The House, that their accusations are false. Adam Schiff refuses to release memos of his conversations with Vindman and The Whistle Blower, or The IGs testimony.

Hunter Biden refuses to comply with a Judges Order to turn over his Financial Records documenting his earnings at Burisma in his Child Support Case.

Joe Biden states he will refuse to comply with a Senate Subpoena to answer any questions about anything he knows about Ukraine or Burisma.

And here we are today.

If the Bidens have done anything conduct a proper investigation. Nothing's stopping you. You have control of the Senate and the Executive and the agencies under it. Do it. Why haven't you in 3 years done anything?

Most of The Biden's Corruption was exposed in the past 6 months. Give us another 5 years and $100 Million and we'll find enough to put some of them in jail.

B.S.

Hunter Biden was on Burisma's board when? It was hardly a secret. And, again - you have the agencies at your fingertips to conduct a legal lawful investigation. Why didn't you? Oh....because you were really just trying to find political dirt.

Is that why you asked Ukraine to just ANNOUNCE they were opening an investigation, not to necessarily do it - but publicly state it? That is kind of odd don't you think?

How do you conduct a "legal lawful investigation" in another country, dumbass? I don't know if you realize this but foreign countries don't take too kindly to foreign law enforcement officers coming into their country and probing around in their businesses.

And why didn't we do it earlier? Because the president up until Zalenski was as corrupt as anyone else there. He LED the corruption. He wasn't about to investigate it.

For starters, Ukraine is an ally and if our DoJ requested help with a legitimate investigation, Ukraine would help. The DoJ hasn’t done that.

Second, the previous prosecutor general in Ukraine was quite friendly to Trump and Giuliani and in the phone call was expressing to Zelensky how great he was. So the idea that he couldn’t get anything done doesn’t wash.

Third, any investigation into Biden could get a lot accomplished domestically.

For starters being an ally doesn't change anything. Our FBI has now jurisdiction in foreign countries.

 

[colfax_m]

If the Bidens have done anything conduct a proper investigation. Nothing's stopping you. You have control of the Senate and the Executive and the agencies under it. Do it. Why haven't you in 3 years done anything?

Most of The Biden's Corruption was exposed in the past 6 months. Give us another 5 years and $100 Million and we'll find enough to put some of them in jail.

B.S.

Hunter Biden was on Burisma's board when? It was hardly a secret. And, again - you have the agencies at your fingertips to conduct a legal lawful investigation. Why didn't you? Oh....because you were really just trying to find political dirt.

Is that why you asked Ukraine to just ANNOUNCE they were opening an investigation, not to necessarily do it - but publicly state it? That is kind of odd don't you think?

How do you conduct a "legal lawful investigation" in another country, dumbass? I don't know if you realize this but foreign countries don't take too kindly to foreign law enforcement officers coming into their country and probing around in their businesses.

And why didn't we do it earlier? Because the president up until Zalenski was as corrupt as anyone else there. He LED the corruption. He wasn't about to investigate it.

For starters, Ukraine is an ally and if our DoJ requested help with a legitimate investigation, Ukraine would help. The DoJ hasn’t done that.

Second, the previous prosecutor general in Ukraine was quite friendly to Trump and Giuliani and in the phone call was expressing to Zelensky how great he was. So the idea that he couldn’t get anything done doesn’t wash.

Third, any investigation into Biden could get a lot accomplished domestically.

For starters being an ally doesn't change anything. Our FBI has now jurisdiction in foreign countries.

It does because we can count on our allies to help with these things. Our enemies. It so much.

The FBI doesn’t need jurisdiction in other countries. The accusation is that Biden is corrupt. Biden is an American citizen. It’s under our jurisdiction.

 

[airplanemechanic]

Most of The Biden's Corruption was exposed in the past 6 months. Give us another 5 years and $100 Million and we'll find enough to put some of them in jail.

B.S.

Hunter Biden was on Burisma's board when? It was hardly a secret. And, again - you have the agencies at your fingertips to conduct a legal lawful investigation. Why didn't you? Oh....because you were really just trying to find political dirt.

Is that why you asked Ukraine to just ANNOUNCE they were opening an investigation, not to necessarily do it - but publicly state it? That is kind of odd don't you think?

How do you conduct a "legal lawful investigation" in another country, dumbass? I don't know if you realize this but foreign countries don't take too kindly to foreign law enforcement officers coming into their country and probing around in their businesses.

And why didn't we do it earlier? Because the president up until Zalenski was as corrupt as anyone else there. He LED the corruption. He wasn't about to investigate it.

For starters, Ukraine is an ally and if our DoJ requested help with a legitimate investigation, Ukraine would help. The DoJ hasn’t done that.

Second, the previous prosecutor general in Ukraine was quite friendly to Trump and Giuliani and in the phone call was expressing to Zelensky how great he was. So the idea that he couldn’t get anything done doesn’t wash.

Third, any investigation into Biden could get a lot accomplished domestically.

For starters being an ally doesn't change anything. Our FBI has now jurisdiction in foreign countries.

It does because we can count on our allies to help with these things. Our enemies. It so much.

The FBI doesn’t need jurisdiction in other countries. The accusation is that Biden is corrupt. Biden is an American citizen. It’s under our jurisdiction.

NOT IF THE CORRUPTION HAPPENS IN ANOTHER COUNTRY DUMBASS.

You really think Russia can come into our country and start investigating crimes because they might involve Russians?? Yea right.

 

[colfax_m]

B.S.

Hunter Biden was on Burisma's board when? It was hardly a secret. And, again - you have the agencies at your fingertips to conduct a legal lawful investigation. Why didn't you? Oh....because you were really just trying to find political dirt.

Is that why you asked Ukraine to just ANNOUNCE they were opening an investigation, not to necessarily do it - but publicly state it? That is kind of odd don't you think?

How do you conduct a "legal lawful investigation" in another country, dumbass? I don't know if you realize this but foreign countries don't take too kindly to foreign law enforcement officers coming into their country and probing around in their businesses.

And why didn't we do it earlier? Because the president up until Zalenski was as corrupt as anyone else there. He LED the corruption. He wasn't about to investigate it.

For starters, Ukraine is an ally and if our DoJ requested help with a legitimate investigation, Ukraine would help. The DoJ hasn’t done that.

Second, the previous prosecutor general in Ukraine was quite friendly to Trump and Giuliani and in the phone call was expressing to Zelensky how great he was. So the idea that he couldn’t get anything done doesn’t wash.

Third, any investigation into Biden could get a lot accomplished domestically.

For starters being an ally doesn't change anything. Our FBI has now jurisdiction in foreign countries.

It does because we can count on our allies to help with these things. Our enemies. It so much.

The FBI doesn’t need jurisdiction in other countries. The accusation is that Biden is corrupt. Biden is an American citizen. It’s under our jurisdiction.

NOT IF THE CORRUPTION HAPPENS IN ANOTHER COUNTRY DUMBASS.

You really think Russia can come into our country and start investigating crimes because they might involve Russians?? Yea right.

Incorrect. For starters, there’s the foreign corrupt practices act. Secondly, you’re basically accusing Biden of taking bribes from Ukrainians for specific US policies. That puts him in violation of our laws.

 

[airplanemechanic]

How do you conduct a "legal lawful investigation" in another country, dumbass? I don't know if you realize this but foreign countries don't take too kindly to foreign law enforcement officers coming into their country and probing around in their businesses.

And why didn't we do it earlier? Because the president up until Zalenski was as corrupt as anyone else there. He LED the corruption. He wasn't about to investigate it.

For starters, Ukraine is an ally and if our DoJ requested help with a legitimate investigation, Ukraine would help. The DoJ hasn’t done that.

Second, the previous prosecutor general in Ukraine was quite friendly to Trump and Giuliani and in the phone call was expressing to Zelensky how great he was. So the idea that he couldn’t get anything done doesn’t wash.

Third, any investigation into Biden could get a lot accomplished domestically.

For starters being an ally doesn't change anything. Our FBI has now jurisdiction in foreign countries.

It does because we can count on our allies to help with these things. Our enemies. It so much.

The FBI doesn’t need jurisdiction in other countries. The accusation is that Biden is corrupt. Biden is an American citizen. It’s under our jurisdiction.

NOT IF THE CORRUPTION HAPPENS IN ANOTHER COUNTRY DUMBASS.

You really think Russia can come into our country and start investigating crimes because they might involve Russians?? Yea right.

Incorrect. For starters, there’s the foreign corrupt practices act. Secondly, you’re basically accusing Biden of taking bribes from Ukrainians for specific US policies. That puts him in violation of our laws.

The FCPA has to do with paying bribes to foreign officials. Nobody is claiming Biden paid a bribe. Please study up on laws before you quote them as your reason for stuff. It really makes you appear stupid.

Foreign Corrupt Practices Act

But we know he is Quid Pro Joe. That would be why Trump asked the new president of Ukraine to look into it. And Biden didn't take bribes, he threatened to withhold a billion dollars (and admitted it on video) unless the prosecutor was fired. And Hunter got a job for 1 mil a year that he had no experience in and he admitted he wouldn't have gotten the job had his last name not been Biden.

Yea, that's some crocked shit right there.

 

[colfax_m]

For starters, Ukraine is an ally and if our DoJ requested help with a legitimate investigation, Ukraine would help. The DoJ hasn’t done that.

Second, the previous prosecutor general in Ukraine was quite friendly to Trump and Giuliani and in the phone call was expressing to Zelensky how great he was. So the idea that he couldn’t get anything done doesn’t wash.

Third, any investigation into Biden could get a lot accomplished domestically.

For starters being an ally doesn't change anything. Our FBI has now jurisdiction in foreign countries.

It does because we can count on our allies to help with these things. Our enemies. It so much.

The FBI doesn’t need jurisdiction in other countries. The accusation is that Biden is corrupt. Biden is an American citizen. It’s under our jurisdiction.

NOT IF THE CORRUPTION HAPPENS IN ANOTHER COUNTRY DUMBASS.

You really think Russia can come into our country and start investigating crimes because they might involve Russians?? Yea right.

Incorrect. For starters, there’s the foreign corrupt practices act. Secondly, you’re basically accusing Biden of taking bribes from Ukrainians for specific US policies. That puts him in violation of our laws.

The FCPA has to do with paying bribes to foreign officials. Nobody is claiming Biden paid a bribe.

But we know he is Quid Pro Joe. That would be why Trump asked the new president of Ukraine to look into it. And Biden didn't take bribes, he threatened to withhold a billion dollars (and admitted it on video) unless the prosecutor was fired. And Hunter got a job for 1 mil a year that he had no experience in and he admitted he wouldn't have gotten the job had his last name not been Biden.

Yea, that's some crocked shit right there.

But curiously enough Trump didn’t ask the DoJ to look into it. Almost like he didn’t actually care about an actual investigation.

 

[airplanemechanic]

For starters being an ally doesn't change anything. Our FBI has now jurisdiction in foreign countries.

It does because we can count on our allies to help with these things. Our enemies. It so much.

The FBI doesn’t need jurisdiction in other countries. The accusation is that Biden is corrupt. Biden is an American citizen. It’s under our jurisdiction.

NOT IF THE CORRUPTION HAPPENS IN ANOTHER COUNTRY DUMBASS.

You really think Russia can come into our country and start investigating crimes because they might involve Russians?? Yea right.

Incorrect. For starters, there’s the foreign corrupt practices act. Secondly, you’re basically accusing Biden of taking bribes from Ukrainians for specific US policies. That puts him in violation of our laws.

The FCPA has to do with paying bribes to foreign officials. Nobody is claiming Biden paid a bribe.

But we know he is Quid Pro Joe. That would be why Trump asked the new president of Ukraine to look into it. And Biden didn't take bribes, he threatened to withhold a billion dollars (and admitted it on video) unless the prosecutor was fired. And Hunter got a job for 1 mil a year that he had no experience in and he admitted he wouldn't have gotten the job had his last name not been Biden.

Yea, that's some crocked shit right there.

But curiously enough Trump didn’t ask the DoJ to look into it. Almost like he didn’t actually care about an actual investigation.

Because the DOJ has no authority in Ukraine. How many times do you have to be told this?

We're allies with Britain but do you think MI-6 has authority in this country?

 

[colfax_m]

It does because we can count on our allies to help with these things. Our enemies. It so much.

The FBI doesn’t need jurisdiction in other countries. The accusation is that Biden is corrupt. Biden is an American citizen. It’s under our jurisdiction.

NOT IF THE CORRUPTION HAPPENS IN ANOTHER COUNTRY DUMBASS.

You really think Russia can come into our country and start investigating crimes because they might involve Russians?? Yea right.

Incorrect. For starters, there’s the foreign corrupt practices act. Secondly, you’re basically accusing Biden of taking bribes from Ukrainians for specific US policies. That puts him in violation of our laws.

The FCPA has to do with paying bribes to foreign officials. Nobody is claiming Biden paid a bribe.

But we know he is Quid Pro Joe. That would be why Trump asked the new president of Ukraine to look into it. And Biden didn't take bribes, he threatened to withhold a billion dollars (and admitted it on video) unless the prosecutor was fired. And Hunter got a job for 1 mil a year that he had no experience in and he admitted he wouldn't have gotten the job had his last name not been Biden.

Yea, that's some crocked shit right there.

But curiously enough Trump didn’t ask the DoJ to look into it. Almost like he didn’t actually care about an actual investigation.

Because the DOJ has no authority in Ukraine. How many times do you have to be told this?

Okay. You’re pissing me off so I’m going to be impolite.

Biden is an American citizen accused of taking bribes from a foreign corporation to deliver a specific US government policy. That puts him in violation of US law. Who prosecutes people who violate US law?

It sure as hell isn’t the Ukrainians. Who the he’ll do you think that might be? Hmm?

 

[candycorn]

Even if it turns out to be another bogus story, thinking people should be on guard against falling into the fallacious trap that President Trump committed some high crime or misdemeanor by pressuring Ukraine to investigate its past corrupt practices before receiving future aid from the United States.

The sole reason for even questioning Trump's actions is because it potentially involves a high-profile Democrat candidate for that Party's presidential nomination. Since when is that a legitimate immunization from criminal investigation?

Instead of Burisma, if President Trump had cited another corrupt organization without ties to Democrats, he would have been credited with fighting corruption and safeguarding public funds.

Don't take the bait that this was some sort of improper action. President Trump has been calling out corruption wherever he sees it. We should thank him for it.

Somehow it wasn’t called out until Biden started running for President; putz

 

[candycorn]

I keep asking democrats where is the law that states that if you're currently running for president that you are immune to investigation for past behavior as vice president and they keep coming up with nothing.

I keep asking blob supporters what other Americans were mentioned in the phone call. They keep coming up with nothing

 

[Flopper]

Even if it turns out to be another bogus story, thinking people should be on guard against falling into the fallacious trap that President Trump committed some high crime or misdemeanor by pressuring Ukraine to investigate its past corrupt practices before receiving future aid from the United States.

The sole reason for even questioning Trump's actions is because it potentially involves a high-profile Democrat candidate for that Party's presidential nomination. Since when is that a legitimate immunization from criminal investigation?

Instead of Burisma, if President Trump had cited another corrupt organization without ties to Democrats, he would have been credited with fighting corruption and safeguarding public funds.

Don't take the bait that this was some sort of improper action. President Trump has been calling out corruption wherever he sees it. We should thank him for it.

And we were told to ignore Ambassador Yovanovitch, Jennifer Williams, an aide to Vice President Mike Pence, and Lieutenant Colonel Alexander Vindman, who serves as the director for European affairs at the National Security Council, Ambassador Kurt Volker, the former U.S. special envoy to Ukraine, and Tim Morrison, a White House aide with the National Security Council focusing on Europe and Russia policy,
Ambassador Gordon Sondland, U.S. Ambassador to the European Union and a major supporters of President Trump, Laura Cooper, the deputy assistant secretary of defense for Russian, Ukrainian, and Eurasian Affairs and David Hale, the under secretary of state for political affairs, Fiona Hill, former National Security Council senior director for Europe and Russia, and finally the actually transcript of Trump asking the Ukraine president for an investigation of the Biden's. The only piece of evidence lacking is a confession from Trump.

Just as Trump said he could shoot someone on 5th Ave and nothing would happen, Trump could confess and Senate republicans would still vote for acquittal.

 

[blackhawk]

 

[Osiris-ODS]

Even if it turns out to be another bogus story, thinking people should be on guard against falling into the fallacious trap that President Trump committed some high crime or misdemeanor by pressuring Ukraine to investigate its past corrupt practices before receiving future aid from the United States.

The sole reason for even questioning Trump's actions is because it potentially involves a high-profile Democrat candidate for that Party's presidential nomination. Since when is that a legitimate immunization from criminal investigation?

Instead of Burisma, if President Trump had cited another corrupt organization without ties to Democrats, he would have been credited with fighting corruption and safeguarding public funds.

Don't take the bait that this was some sort of improper action. President Trump has been calling out corruption wherever he sees it. We should thank him for it.

Trump didn’t bring up some other organizations. He actually didn’t even mention Burisma in the phone call. He only mentioned Democrats. That’s a coincidence?

The Bidens and Joe's Children made Millions of Dollars off of Government Contracts Foreign Aid Kickbacks, Bribery, Graft, Extortion and out right theft.

The Democrats have been stealing Billions of Dollars from the taxpayers since Obama came to power, and most of it is laundered through family members, and their shell NGOs, Charities, and LLCs they set up to launder money through to their offshore accounts.

ALL ROADS LEAD TO UKRAINE

Don't forget one of the first things Trump did when he got in to office was do audits sending all these bureacrats in to a panicked state.

How did Hillary Clinton ‘lose’ $6 billion at the State Department?

One has to wonder why The Obama Administration, Clinton Campaign, Obama State Department, and Podesta Group were throwing so much money in to The Ukraine Elections to Oppose an Anti-Corruption Government that was trying to get elected there.

Obama did his dirty work through The Podesta Group, John Kerry, Hillary Clinton, John Brennan, Joe Biden, and The US Embassy In Ukraine, and funneled money in to a Ukraine NGO owned by Soros to oppose The Anti Corruption Candidates in Ukraine. Manfort and Gates were heavily used by The Obama Administration and Podesta Group for operations in Ukraine.

Then after that election when The Anti-Corruption Government was Elected, The Ukrainian Politicians Obama was supporting all fled to Russia.

Then Obama Seals his records on Ukraine citing Executive Privilege!

Then Obama had The Clinton Campaign be granted Full Blanket Immunity!

Then Obama had The Podesta Group be granted Full Blanket Immunity!

A Whistle Blower rats on Clinton about her secret Server which Obama denies knowledge of despite being caught in a lie when it was revealed he and his staff used aliases to communicate clandestinely with Clinton on that server so they could avoid FOIA and other types of discovery.

Comey Allows Clinton To Bleach Bit Her Server of 33,000 Emails!

The IT tech who Bleach Bitted Clinton's Server in violation of 2 Federal Court Orders is given immunity in exchange for testimony. He is asked 256 questions about his actions and about what he knows and despite having full immunity, pleads the 5th 256 Times!

Guccifer who says he and other countries did hack Clinton's Server despite The Obama Administration saying that never happened. Guccifer also says, he knows the original DNC Server was shipped to The Ukraine to hide it, and then an "edited copy" of the hard drive was given to Crowdstrike.

No Subpoena is ever issued on The DNC Server which The DNC Claimed was hacked and exposed Podesta's Emails. Only Crowdstrike looks at a copy of the VHD from the DNC Server and claims Russia hacked it. Weeks later, they had to retract nearly all of their statements as IT Techs all over the blogosphere called them out on all of their logical fallacies, errors, and technical nonsense. Lies in laymen terms.

Guccifer is arrested, extradited to The US and is locked up and is never heard from again.

Hillary Clinton Destroys 17 Electronic Devices!
Pakistani Hackers Hired by Clinton, Destroy dozens of hard drives as they flee The US!

Seth Rich gets murdered after uploading Podesta Emails to Assange.
The Remaining Hacker goes with Hillary Clinton to work on her campaign, despite being caught prying in to Congressional Files!

Comey sweeps all Clinton's Crimes Under the Rug.

The Obama Administration launches Russian Collusion COUP Hoax based on Russian Dirty Dossier he paid for that we now find out actually originated from The Ukraine and US Embassy. This Russian or Ukrainian Propaganda is later used falsely in FISA to get Wiretap Warrants on The Trump Campaign.

Gates and Manafort who worked for Obama and knew what was going on in The Ukraine, have their homes raided, are placed in solitary confinement, convicted on bogus charges and are never heard from again.

Julian Assange who says he got the Podesta Emails from Seth Rich is eventually Extradited, Locked Up and has never been hear from again!

Trump makes a phone call to congratulate The Ukraine President who ran on a Anti-Corruption Ukraine platform and then asks him to keep him informed about rumors of alleged corruption in Ukraine committed by The Obama Administration.

A Few weeks Later, Vindman a Ukrainian and his Brother who works for Adam Schiff, helps Adam Schiff and Eric Ciaramella write a Bogus Whistle Blower Report on a call to Ukraine!

Suddenly old footage of Joe Biden threatening The Ukraine to fire The Prosecutor Resurface as some people realize there is something fishy going on with this whole never ending attempt to remove President Trump.

Joe Biden:
"Fire The Prosecutor Investigating Hunter, or you aren't getting The Millions"!

President Trump shocks Schiff and releases The Transcript! contradicting The Whistle Blower Report

Schiff gets up in front of America and reads a completely Sham and Fictitious Manufactured Version of that phone call Transcript!

Adam Schiff who originally said everyone would get to interview The Whistle Blower shuts that down, says No, and then interrupts anyone who even dares to get close to revealing who The Whistle Blower is in testimony.

Schiff then has The IG Interview transcript which is critical of Schiff and The Whistleblower and seems to indicate Schiff lied about contact with The Whistleblower classified as "Intelligence" and refuses to allow The Trump Defense team to see that transcript. No one has seen it yet, and Schiff is refusing to turn it over.

The Pelosi Lead House Rushes to start an impeachment about The Ukraine phone call despite The Ukraine President telling The House, that their accusations are false. Adam Schiff refuses to release memos of his conversations with Vindman and The Whistle Blower, or The IGs testimony.

Hunter Biden refuses to comply with a Judges Order to turn over his Financial Records documenting his earnings at Burisma in his Child Support Case.

Joe Biden states he will refuse to comply with a Senate Subpoena to answer any questions about anything he knows about Ukraine or Burisma.

And here we are today.

If the Bidens have done anything conduct a proper investigation. Nothing's stopping you. You have control of the Senate and the Executive and the agencies under it. Do it. Why haven't you in 3 years done anything?

Most of The Biden's Corruption was exposed in the past 6 months. Give us another 5 years and $100 Million and we'll find enough to put some of them in jail.

B.S.

Hunter Biden was on Burisma's board when? It was hardly a secret. And, again - you have the agencies at your fingertips to conduct a legal lawful investigation. Why didn't you? Oh....because you were really just trying to find political dirt.

Is that why you asked Ukraine to just ANNOUNCE they were opening an investigation, not to necessarily do it - but publicly state it? That is kind of odd don't you think?

When did anyone ask Ukrain to "ANNOUNCE they were opening an investigation"? Can you point me to the part of the transcript that says that, or to the transcript of any witness that says that? Or is this just conjecture you've picked up from some media characterization or forum gossip?

Here's the link to the transcript: https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Unclassified09.2019.pdf

 

[georgephillip]

ol I know that because I read the article and nowhere in it do they quote Bolton or claim they have seen the draft of the book. That means they are reporting on rumors they have no way of verifying.

You're saying the NYT authors didn't read portions of Bolton's drafts?

Trump Tied Ukraine Aid to Inquiries He Sought, Bolton Book Says

"Mr. Bolton’s explosive account of the matter at the center of Mr. Trump’s impeachment trial, the third in American history, was included in drafts of a manuscript he has circulated in recent weeks to close associates.

"He also sent a draft to the White House for a standard review process for some current and former administration officials who write books."

 

[Muhammed]

Even if it turns out to be another bogus story, thinking people should be on guard against falling into the fallacious trap that President Trump committed some high crime or misdemeanor by pressuring Ukraine to investigate its past corrupt practices before receiving future aid from the United States.

The sole reason for even questioning Trump's actions is because it potentially involves a high-profile Democrat candidate for that Party's presidential nomination. Since when is that a legitimate immunization from criminal investigation?

Instead of Burisma, if President Trump had cited another corrupt organization without ties to Democrats, he would have been credited with fighting corruption and safeguarding public funds.

Don't take the bait that this was some sort of improper action. President Trump has been calling out corruption wherever he sees it. We should thank him for it.

Trump didn’t bring up some other organizations. He actually didn’t even mention Burisma in the phone call. He only mentioned Democrats. That’s a coincidence?

That's 100% irrelevant. The fact of that matter is that running for office does not make you immune from investigation or prosecution.

There are no circumstances in which it is illegal for the president to block military aid to a foreign power.

 

[colfax_m]

Even if it turns out to be another bogus story, thinking people should be on guard against falling into the fallacious trap that President Trump committed some high crime or misdemeanor by pressuring Ukraine to investigate its past corrupt practices before receiving future aid from the United States.

The sole reason for even questioning Trump's actions is because it potentially involves a high-profile Democrat candidate for that Party's presidential nomination. Since when is that a legitimate immunization from criminal investigation?

Instead of Burisma, if President Trump had cited another corrupt organization without ties to Democrats, he would have been credited with fighting corruption and safeguarding public funds.

Don't take the bait that this was some sort of improper action. President Trump has been calling out corruption wherever he sees it. We should thank him for it.

Trump didn’t bring up some other organizations. He actually didn’t even mention Burisma in the phone call. He only mentioned Democrats. That’s a coincidence?

That's 100% irrelevant. The fact of that matter is that running for office does not make you immune from investigation or prosecution.

There are no circumstances in which it is illegal for the president to block military aid to a foreign power.

I can think of a circumstance.

Let’s say Trump held up military aid to Turkey unless they agreed to, say, give him an exemption on some building code at his property there.