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    1st of all
    I know that my words some of you will take it as an attack
    Other will take it as a defend
    But all what am going to say is a fact and the truth
    At least from my view of point
    Actually I know that it seems to be lots time since I contribute in any articles,, and some will see this article doesnt belong to here but im sorry
    i just want to say it
    All I see here that you all keep attacking the Palestinian and their martyrs
    And tell jokes about those mothers who feel happy because their sons or daughters become martyrs ,, I know that you may say what an insane mothers or even say it so strange
    But actually you wont say so if you read a little about their religion the Islam
    Here are some verses

    Quran : 003. Aal-'Imrân
    169. Think not of those who are killed in the Way of Allâh as dead. Nay, they are alive, with their Lord, and they have provision.
    170. They rejoice in what Allâh has bestowed upon them of His Bounty, rejoicing for the sake of those who have not yet joined them, but are left behind (not yet martyred) that on them no fear shall come, nor shall they grieve.
    171. They rejoice in a Grace and a Bounty from Allâh, and that Allâh will not waste the reward of the believers.
    195. So their Lord accepted of them (their supplication and answered them), "Never will I allow to be lost the work of any of you, be he male or female. You are (members) one of another, so those who emigrated and were driven out from their homes, and suffered harm in My Cause, and who fought, and were killed (in My Cause), verily, I will remit from them their evil deeds and admit them into Gardens under which rivers flow (in Paradise); a reward from Allâh, and with Allâh is the best of rewards."


    So they do that according to their religion
    Some of you will say What a religion force people to kill other , BUT
    You will see that this religion says if they began to fight,,
    And says also donot begin with hate or fight

    Quran : 002. Al-Baqarah190. And fight in the Way of Allâh[] those who fight you, but transgress not the limits. Truly, Allâh likes not the transgressors. [This Verse is the first one that was revealed in connection with Jihâd, but it was supplemented by another (V.9:36)].
    006. Al-An'âm
    151. Say (O Muhammad SAW): "Come, I will recite what your Lord has prohibited you from: Join not anything in worship with Him; be good and dutiful to your parents; kill not your children because of poverty - We provide sustenance for you and for them; come not near to Al-Fawâhish (shameful sins, illegal sexual intercourse, etc.) whether committed openly or secretly, and kill not anyone whom Allâh has forbidden, except for a just cause (according to Islâmic law). This He has commanded you that you may understand.
    Quran : 008. Al-Anfâl60. And make ready against them all you can of power, including steeds of war (tanks, planes, missiles, artillery, etc.) to threaten the enemy of Allâh and your enemy, and others besides whom, you may not know but whom Allâh does know. And whatever you shall spend in the Cause of Allâh shall be repaid unto you, and you shall not be treated unjustly.
    61. But if they incline to peace, you also incline to it, and (put your) trust in Allâh. Verily, He is the All-Hearer, the All-Knower.
    62. And if they intend to deceive you, then verily, Allâh is All-Sufficient for you. He it is Who has supported you with His Help and with the believers.

    Quran : 009. At-Taubah111. Verily, Allâh has purchased of the believers their lives and their properties; for the price that theirs shall be the Paradise. They fight in Allâh's Cause, so they kill (others) and are killed. It is a promise in truth which is binding on Him in the Taurât (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel) and the Qur'ân. And who is truer to his covenant than Allâh? Then rejoice in the bargain which you have concluded. That is the supreme success[].

    But it so benefit too, if we thought from other hand this religion ask to fight for your home,, country , family and never give up easily your home
    If we think a little if Israel didn’t found any kind of defend from the Palestinian they all would be eliminated, I think Palestinians fight with their faith , they fight one of
    The powerful well armed army, and who is fighting ??
    they are the civilians.
    You will ask from where they get this power and believes they don’t afraid from death.
    I think that this religion give them the power the believes that make them survive till now,,
    I wont go on in history ,, cause Israeli says that Palestine belong to them and Arabian says that Palestine belong to them

    I will just says that Israeli is who began their attacking since 1948, they came to take a land don’t belong to them ,, we all know that its an Palestinian land and Israeli came to rape it, what anybody could imagine that they wont fight for their lands
    What do you expect after the Israeli humiliate the Palestinians and raping their land and deal with the prisoner in ugly illegal way was denied by the UN
    They don’t even respect the UN decisions, we all know what they did with marwan al bar3'othy and others and others

    It’s the same what happening in al Iraq
    And what happened in alfallujah,, and how the us navy left it just a piece of a trashcan
    And call that a victory
    How do you think that the civilians did so, they did this by their faith and believes by sticking with their religion,, they also faced the most well-armed navy in the world
    But I don’t call that a victory for the us navy because they destroyed a civilians defend their land,,
    Now what does al fallujah contains nuclear weapons,, any way those who died there are also a martyr.
    Note
    If their were an equality
    America should fight Israel too cause it contains a nuclear weapon or at least a use the nuclear energy "but not in allowed field",, it also residing in the middle east
    According to the report BBC channel made, it's not an Arabian or American channel

    Read these links
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2004/09_september/24/vanunu.shtml

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/today/reports/international/tonge_20040217.shtml

    http://www.islamonline.net/fatwa/english/FatwaDisplay.asp?hFatwaID=71768

    http://www.islamonline.net/askaboutislam/display.asp?hquestionID=4050
    and in the same site you will see alink "palestine facts & maps"

    thats all friend i hope that i didnt bother you
     
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    Yea it's okay cuz the Quran says so....Pound Sand!
     
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    i dont take it personal. I dont agree with any mindset that encourages attacking innocent civilians to further your cause. Suicide bombings in general arent really gaining my support for your cause. Rather its distancing me from it as much as possible. These people have grown to only want the extermination of the israelis. Nothing more nothing less. I guess the koran told them to do it so its ok.
     
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    So it is the truth, or is it an opinion from YOUR viewpoint? Just because it is from your point of view, that does not mean it is fact. So what are you trying to say? Are you telling us the truth, or your opinion?

    Get with the plan man!
     
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    actually
    i say facts and comment it by my view of point
     
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    actually
    you are right
    i dot belong to here
    but it was you who asked for the globalization
    and sure if you read the slogan of your board you won't say so
    add to this
    that if there is only americans in this board, you all will hear only your voice
    which i think its all the same .
    so if you dont want to here other voices then where is the democracy
    america ask for or even freedom of speech
    and yeah im egyptian
    and it will be honor to me to die fighting for my home and land and be a martyr
     
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    yeah me too
    but what you say about what happening in iraq
    and what happened in al fallujah

    and why do you think palestinians did so?
    its because the injustice they face
    how they could fight a well-armed strong army
    how the civilians could do so ?

    they do what they think its true
    and if what you say is true about
    you won't see a christian or even a jews in the arabic or Muslims land
    and that is obviously untrue,
    i live in arabic muslim country and there is no place for that
    on the contrary if you see whats going up now in Thailand to Muslims their
    and no one speak or even blame that acts
     
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    Funny, you said you would not argue history concerning who's land it was, then the very next thing you say is, "everyone" knows it is the palestinians.

    This is incorrect. If you read your history and your Quran, it says that land belongs to the people of the book, ie, jews, whom God had promised them that land. So now who's land do you say it is?
     
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    i meant argue in the old history
    but i meant after the war of 48

    and im sorry but in which part the qur'an promised them

    or yeah you may mean british promised them "Belfor promise"
     
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    this what i understood from your way in speaking
    but if im wrong im sorry
    as i said dont take it personal



    LoL
    who said im in America
    i live here in my country
    i didnt know that this board is for the US citizens only
     

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