Don't like Obama, fine, but why the dishonesty?

[Dr Gregg]

There are plenty things that people could find Obama not doing a good job in.So why do so many on this forum and other places have to lie, exaggerate, and make shit up about Obama? Why call him socialist, marxist, the "messiah", "owebama", claim he isn't a US citizen, claims he want to destroy america? or claim things done by other people is really Obama's doing, and anything that goes on in the gov't or military is under Obama's direction?

YOu totally discredit any point you may have when you resort to such Glenn Beck/Rush type absurd attacks and arguments. You just look like some stupid, childish, partisan hack nutjob when you do so.

 

[WillowTree]

today we serve soma smoka cheese wit yer whine!

 

[Dr Gregg]

today we serve soma smoka cheese wit yer whine!

nice trollish response, about what I'd expect out of fundies

 

[tigerbob]

Are you referring to particular posters?

 

[Dr Gregg]

Are you referring to particular posters?

Not specifically, but there is a ton of the people that dislike Obama resort to what I mentioned, and frankly I don't know what they get out of it except looking like delusional hacks. It's just so stupid.

 

[xsited1]

There are plenty things that people could find Obama not doing a good job in.So why do so many on this forum and other places have to lie, exaggerate, and make shit up about Obama? Why call him socialist, marxist, the "messiah", "owebama", claim he isn't a US citizen, claims he want to destroy america? or claim things done by other people is really Obama's doing, and anything that goes on in the gov't or military is under Obama's direction?

YOu totally discredit any point you may have when you resort to such Glenn Beck/Rush type absurd attacks and arguments. You just look like some stupid, childish, partisan hack nutjob when you do so.

I agree. Many Republicans are just angry because they lost national elections in 2006 and 2008. Rather than admitting they screwed up and changing for the better, it's easier to make up crap about Obama. Obama, Pelosi and Reid are doing a bang-up job screwing up all on their own. There's no need to make stuff up.

 

[tigerbob]

There are plenty things that people could find Obama not doing a good job in.So why do so many on this forum and other places have to lie, exaggerate, and make shit up about Obama? Why call him socialist, marxist, the "messiah", "owebama", claim he isn't a US citizen, claims he want to destroy america? or claim things done by other people is really Obama's doing, and anything that goes on in the gov't or military is under Obama's direction?

YOu totally discredit any point you may have when you resort to such Glenn Beck/Rush type absurd attacks and arguments. You just look like some stupid, childish, partisan hack nutjob when you do so.

I agree. Many Republicans are just angry because they lost national elections in 2006 and 2008. Rather than admitting they screwed up and changing for the better, it's easier to make up crap about Obama. Obama, Pelosi and Reid are doing a bang-up job screwing up all on their own. There's no need to make stuff up.

I don't think anyone would argue that its far easier to take an ad hominem approach than it is to actually engage in reasoned debate.

 

[Si modo]

There are plenty things that people could find Obama not doing a good job in.So why do so many on this forum and other places have to lie, exaggerate, and make shit up about Obama? Why call him socialist, marxist, the "messiah", "owebama", claim he isn't a US citizen, claims he want to destroy america? or claim things done by other people is really Obama's doing, and anything that goes on in the gov't or military is under Obama's direction?

YOu totally discredit any point you may have when you resort to such Glenn Beck/Rush type absurd attacks and arguments. You just look like some stupid, childish, partisan hack nutjob when you do so.

I don't know him personally, so I can't say if I like him or not. My liking someone personally does not depend on their political views.

But I DO know that I don't like his policies and rhetoric.

 

[Some Guy]

Why call him socialist, marxist

Some people would consider that a compliment.

 

[Oldandtired]

There are plenty things that people could find Obama not doing a good job in.So why do so many on this forum and other places have to lie, exaggerate, and make shit up about Obama? Why call him socialist, marxist, the "messiah", "owebama", claim he isn't a US citizen, claims he want to destroy america? or claim things done by other people is really Obama's doing, and anything that goes on in the gov't or military is under Obama's direction?

YOu totally discredit any point you may have when you resort to such Glenn Beck/Rush type absurd attacks and arguments. You just look like some stupid, childish, partisan hack nutjob when you do so.

I don't know him personally, so I can't say if I like him or not. My liking someone personally does not depend on their political views.

But I DO know that I don't like his policies and rhetoric.

I don't like his use of the english language as a tool to say one thing but lead people to believe another...and then when he is approcahed with the contradiction, he reminds people of what he said..and clarifies it...making himself right everytime.

It is the role of a public speaker to ensure the listener understands exactly what he means when he speaks. Obama uses words to do the opposite.
One of Gibbs' most used lines is "that is not what he said...I have the transcript...look at the transcript"

Likewise, I do not appreciate his constant berating of American businesses and his implication that the wealthy are wealthy due to greed and dihonest business practices.

Finally, his policies, like them or not, are class divisive. He claimed tpo be a uniter yet he is proving to be a divider.

 

[☭proletarian☭]

There are plenty things that people could find Obama not doing a good job in.So why do so many on this forum and other places have to lie, exaggerate, and make shit up about Obama? Why call him socialist, marxist, the "messiah", "owebama", claim he isn't a US citizen, claims he want to destroy america? or claim things done by other people is really Obama's doing, and anything that goes on in the gov't or military is under Obama's direction?

YOu totally discredit any point you may have when you resort to such Glenn Beck/Rush type absurd attacks and arguments. You just look like some stupid, childish, partisan hack nutjob when you do so.

Welcome to American politics.

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The show is about to start.

 

[keee keee]

commenting on the truth is not dishonesty. The kool-aid drinkers are getting upset because the facts are getting out about their messiha. He is not what the people were told he was.!!!! As more facts about him are revealed more people are getting mad at being sold a bunch of lies. This man is a FRAUD, LIAR!!!!!

 

[WillowTree]

There are plenty things that people could find Obama not doing a good job in.So why do so many on this forum and other places have to lie, exaggerate, and make shit up about Obama? Why call him socialist, marxist, the "messiah", "owebama", claim he isn't a US citizen, claims he want to destroy america? or claim things done by other people is really Obama's doing, and anything that goes on in the gov't or military is under Obama's direction?

YOu totally discredit any point you may have when you resort to such Glenn Beck/Rush type absurd attacks and arguments. You just look like some stupid, childish, partisan hack nutjob when you do so.

I agree. Many Republicans are just angry because they lost national elections in 2006 and 2008. Rather than admitting they screwed up and changing for the better, it's easier to make up crap about Obama. Obama, Pelosi and Reid are doing a bang-up job screwing up all on their own. There's no need to make stuff up.

name just one made up stuff fella!

 

[Dr Gregg]

commenting on the truth is not dishonesty. The kool-aid drinkers are getting upset because the facts are getting out about their messiha. He is not what the people were told he was.!!!! As more facts about him are revealed more people are getting mad at being sold a bunch of lies. This man is a FRAUD, LIAR!!!!!

I represent as evidence exhibit 1

 

[WillowTree]

There are plenty things that people could find Obama not doing a good job in.So why do so many on this forum and other places have to lie, exaggerate, and make shit up about Obama? Why call him socialist, marxist, the "messiah", "owebama", claim he isn't a US citizen, claims he want to destroy america? or claim things done by other people is really Obama's doing, and anything that goes on in the gov't or military is under Obama's direction?

YOu totally discredit any point you may have when you resort to such Glenn Beck/Rush type absurd attacks and arguments. You just look like some stupid, childish, partisan hack nutjob when you do so.

I agree. Many Republicans are just angry because they lost national elections in 2006 and 2008. Rather than admitting they screwed up and changing for the better, it's easier to make up crap about Obama. Obama, Pelosi and Reid are doing a bang-up job screwing up all on their own. There's no need to make stuff up.

I don't think anyone would argue that its far easier to take an ad hominem approach than it is to actually engage in reasoned debate.

not true, he is indeed a Marxist. to the core. 20 years. with jeramiah bullfrog and farrakam, seeks out radicals and anarchists, sal alinsky, and above all. "we are five days away from fundamentally changing the USof KKKA."

 

[tigerbob]

commenting on the truth is not dishonesty. The kool-aid drinkers are getting upset because the facts are getting out about their messiha. He is not what the people were told he was.!!!! As more facts about him are revealed more people are getting mad at being sold a bunch of lies. This man is a FRAUD, LIAR!!!!!

I think this is where the OP was hoping for some examples, rather than just invective and insinuations.

 

[Dr Gregg]

I agree. Many Republicans are just angry because they lost national elections in 2006 and 2008. Rather than admitting they screwed up and changing for the better, it's easier to make up crap about Obama. Obama, Pelosi and Reid are doing a bang-up job screwing up all on their own. There's no need to make stuff up.

I don't think anyone would argue that its far easier to take an ad hominem approach than it is to actually engage in reasoned debate.

not true, he is indeed a Marxist. to the core. 20 years. with jeramiah bullfrog and farrakam, seeks out radicals and anarchists, sal alinsky, and above all. "we are five days away from fundamentally changing the USof KKKA."

Exhibit #2

 

[Oldandtired]

commenting on the truth is not dishonesty. The kool-aid drinkers are getting upset because the facts are getting out about their messiha. He is not what the people were told he was.!!!! As more facts about him are revealed more people are getting mad at being sold a bunch of lies. This man is a FRAUD, LIAR!!!!!

I represent as evidence exhibit 1

OK...;lets see what is inaccurate there.

Facts are getting out....this is true as is evident by his poll numbers
He is not what the people were told he was...this is true as is evident by the fact that he has not pushed fopr any policy that can be deemed as bi-partisan...yet he was marketed as a moderate.
Man is a fraud....again, he said he was a moderate yet his intiatives are most certainly left leaning.
Man is a liar.....this too, is true.....shall I list the lies?
1) I am all for public financing
2) McCain was against amnesty for Mexican immigrants
3) I did not know Bill Ayers
4) I knew Bill Ayers, but did not know him personally
5) I will read each bill and take out any unecessary spending with a scapel
6) All bills will be posted on the internet for 5 days before I sign or veto them
7) I did not bow to the king
8)If we pass the stimulus, unemployement will not go above 8%

I can go on....but the point has been made.

You say it is being dishonest as you do not want to admit to the truth.......

But as you can see...his post is quite honest.

 

[beowolfe]

There are plenty things that people could find Obama not doing a good job in.So why do so many on this forum and other places have to lie, exaggerate, and make shit up about Obama? Why call him socialist, marxist, the "messiah", "owebama", claim he isn't a US citizen, claims he want to destroy america? or claim things done by other people is really Obama's doing, and anything that goes on in the gov't or military is under Obama's direction?

YOu totally discredit any point you may have when you resort to such Glenn Beck/Rush type absurd attacks and arguments. You just look like some stupid, childish, partisan hack nutjob when you do so.

I don't know him personally, so I can't say if I like him or not. My liking someone personally does not depend on their political views.

But I DO know that I don't like his policies and rhetoric.

I don't like his use of the english language as a tool to say one thing but lead people to believe another...and then when he is approcahed with the contradiction, he reminds people of what he said..and clarifies it...making himself right everytime.

It is the role of a public speaker to ensure the listener understands exactly what he means when he speaks. Obama uses words to do the opposite.
One of Gibbs' most used lines is "that is not what he said...I have the transcript...look at the transcript"

Likewise, I do not appreciate his constant berating of American businesses and his implication that the wealthy are wealthy due to greed and dihonest business practices.

Finally, his policies, like them or not, are class divisive. He claimed tpo be a uniter yet he is proving to be a divider.

1. I'd argue that if the political use of language is your problem, you'll have a problem with all politicians. There is an 'art' to listening to a politician and discerning the real truth that's being spoken.

2. The role of a public speaker is to ensure that the listener 'hears' what the speaker wants the listener to hear. Understanding is not required in all cases. In some cases, understanding is the last thing a speaker wants.

3. There are three reasons people get rich. Inheritance, greed, and dishonesty. A non-greedy honest person will never get rich unless he/she hits the lottery or inherits.

4. When we have two parties who claim they represents different ends of the political spectrum, then all of the policies will be divisive as they try to cater to the people who they feel beholding to. It's practically impossible to cater to the poor/middle class while at the same time catering to the rich/upper class. If you know of a way to pull that off, I'm sure democrats and republicans will be 'all ears'.

 

[rikules]

There are plenty things that people could find Obama not doing a good job in.So why do so many on this forum and other places have to lie, exaggerate, and make shit up about Obama? Why call him socialist, marxist, the "messiah", "owebama", claim he isn't a US citizen, claims he want to destroy america? or claim things done by other people is really Obama's doing, and anything that goes on in the gov't or military is under Obama's direction?

YOu totally discredit any point you may have when you resort to such Glenn Beck/Rush type absurd attacks and arguments. You just look like some stupid, childish, partisan hack nutjob when you do so.

the whole point of modern conservatism (as practiced by fox news, ruch limbaugh, ann coulter...etc)
is to promote and defend extreme anger and hatred at their "enemies". And, apparently, to test the boundaries of free speech where-in absolute lies are presented as Fair and Balanced News

they direct that anger and hatred at obama simply because of his position.
(democrat, president)

they would direct just as much insane anger and hatred at ANY democratic president

even should it be jesus h christ himself

prior to obama they directed their hate speech at
hillary
kerry
gore
bill clinton

I have no doubt that when obama leaves in disgrace after 1 very unsuccessful term he will be replaced by some other democrat who will recieve the same treatment