Don't Let The Bastards Set The Terms Of The Argument

[ChrisL]

In this day and age with global internet access, it is much more difficult for our government to brainwash us. If you do the research, there are PLENTY of instances of people using their guns to defend themselves against attackers and potential murderers, rapists, etc. Notice, the MSM NEVER talks about these things though. They hype up the mass shootings and push gun control on us which will be a failure for as long as guns exist. Guns exist and unless you can make them all disappear, then no citizen should be left at the mercy of a madman with a gun at the insistence of their government. The police won't be there until AFTER you are dead, and just because a gun may not help you in ALL instances, doesn't mean it is not a valuable self defense tool. Oh, and then the cops are racists too. I forgot about that for a minute. Geesh.

 

[9thIDdoc]

Sooooo...let's do something a little different tonight.

Let's talk about the battles we fight and the terms we fight them on.

Let's talk about the "Don't politicize the tragedy, this is a time for healing" crowd.

You don't need me to tell you this kind of talk isn't about "healing," or "respect for the dead." It's about being on the less popular side of a divisive issue, and the sad truth that while the public will howl for common-sense/seriously-how-fucking-dumb-are-we-to-let-this-keep-happening gun control measures for awhile, well, give it a few weeks, and we'll move on to the next thing, because that's what we always do.

So yeah. "This is a time for healing" REALLY means "Let's run out the clock, we don't care about the people who died, and we sure as shit don't care about the people who die in the next one. We just don't give a single fuck."

My whole news feed is full of decent, well-intentioned folks, from the highest halls of power on down to just regular people trying to do the right thing, navigating their way through this dumbass right-wing talking point as though it's a good-faith argument worthy of addressing.

"No, this IS the time to politicize the issue, because XYZ."

And so we get bogged down, bickering on their terms, which is, of course, the entire fucking purpose of the bullshit "argument" in the first place.

Why play along? It's obviously nothing but an empty talking point. Just raw, unfiltered, horseshit.

So TREAT IT like horseshit. Blow straight past it without bothering to notice the idiot spouting it.

"You shouldn't politicize the tragedy!"

"Lord, that's a stupid fucking thing to say. ANYHOW..."

We have to stop participating on their terms. Because the right wing is extremely good at this sort of messaging. This is how "end of life counseling" becomes "DEATH PANELS HOLY SHIT OBAMA WANTS TO UNPLUG GRAMMA AND PEE ON HER WHILE SHE DIES."

Great example of this is how the far-right media dealt with Charlottesville.

You'd think that when a bunch of white supremacist jags hold a rally with Nazi flags and swastika armbands, and their rally turns violent, and people wind up hurt and killed, choosing sides won't be particularly tricky.

But no. After two weeks in the lunatic right wing media spin cycle, suddenly the NAZI TERRORIST took a backseat to the supposed free-roving gangs of Antifa thugs who apparently prowl the streets of every American community, salivating at the chance to beat any innocent passing conservative to a bloody pulp.

And we dutifully played along. Do you remember this? NAZI TERRORIST in jail for MURDERING AN AMERICAN CITIZEN, videos of white supremacists beating a black guy within an inch of his life, videos of Klansmen firing guns into crowds, and everyone on the left feels obligated to somberly agree that yes, Antifa is just as bad as the NAZI TERRORIST WHO KILLED SOMEBODY.

And, having been given an inch, the right gleefully takes their entirely-predictable mile. Now suddenly EVERYBODY who protests white supremacy gets swept up under the same heading; we're ALL "Antifa." The whole left. Suddenly the NAZI TERRORIST'S victim is "Antifa," and thus a violent, out-of-control thug who pretty much deserved what she got.

That's what happens when we let them set the terms of the debate. When we play by their rules.

Look at the all the disingenuous blather over the kneeling protests. As you can see from the fans who jeer players for kneeling BEFORE the anthem, this has not one minuscule fucking thing to do with "the flag," or "the troops" or "patriotism," it's entirely about a one group of people saying "Black Lives Matter" and the other responding, "No. They Don't."

And we all KNOW that. So let's stop wasting energy poking holes in the bullshit "argument" that's phony anyway.

"Black Lives Matter." "No. They Don't." That's the discussion that's ACTUALLY happening, the faux patriotism is just a flimsy shield because these fucks understand that even they can't get away with just saying "No, Your Lives Do Not Matter."

Why pretend we don't see the bullshit? Why dignify it? Why allow the argument to take place on such blatantly fraudulent terms? When you see bullshit, call it bullshit.

I know there's an impulse to engage. "Logic is on our side, surely that will win them over." This again, assumes good faith where it simply does not exist.

The vast majority of these types are not rational or reasonable, and therefore they aren't REACHABLE. You can throw airtight logic at them 'till the cows come home, and they'll still go right on believing that climate change is a hoax and that John Podesta runs a child sex slavery ring from the nonexistent basement of a pizza joint.

And you can point out "Oh, you claim to believe X, but Y proves you don't, hah hah!" So fucking what? No degree of hypocrisy can shame these people. We're talking about a "religious" right that bellows about morality when it comes to LGBT rights, or reproductive rights, but unhesitatingly endorses a moral black hole like Donald Trump. Mitch McConnell can inhale stealing a Supreme Court seat, and exhale "Democrats are practicing obstruction on an unprecedented scale" with a smile on his face. They just don't give a fuck.

WHATEVER THE ISSUE, the far right will find some excuse to demonize us, a fresh reason to hate us. Seriously. When presented with NAZI TERRORISM, they actually found a way to come out of a national tragedy hating us even more.

Cult45 doesn't MIND being a cult. They ENJOY being a cult. They're eager partners in their own brainwashing, in fact. They consume their demented, hateful, soul-warping media all day long, and honestly, they seem to enjoy it a great deal.

So I'm pretty much done politely respecting shit arguments offered in bad faith.

Fuck your feelings. You're the "more lives snuffed out? MEH." party, the "literally no number of human lives are more important to me than the NRA's bank account" movement. Your position is pro-murder, and I'm not going to call it anything else from here on out.

Joe the Plumber put it quite succinctly: "Your dead kids don't trump my out-of-control insecurity and the resulting need I have to cling to a penis substitute." That's what these little turds believe.

I won't waste one more moment on any of your ridiculous "guns don't kill people" blather, because I recognize it for what it is; a ludicrous distraction designed slow down those of us working for the changes necessary to protect human lives.

If you don't give a fuck about all this senseless loss of life, I guess I can't make you. You're broken. That's your fault, and your problem.

If you don't understand why we should work to prevent tens of thousands of completely avoidable deaths, it's because, frankly, you're a shit person. You fail at humanity. Cool. I have exactly zero time for you.

I'm done listening to these lunatics. And I'm done engaging with the rage monsters trying to waste my time. I'm going over, around, and through these dipshits from now on. And you should, too.

So when the ranting maniac pops up in the comment thread to slobber about Antifa, or George Soros, or "you can't regulate evil," don't give him what he wants. Don't give him your time.

ESPECIALLY since we now know beyond the shadow of a doubt that there are better ways to spend that time. Call your Congressman. Call your Senator, your Governor. See, THAT works. Arguing with the dumbass trolls on Facebook didn't sink the GOP health care bill, targeted, sustained activism did.

Bills don't pass on Twitter, folks.

So, do more of that thing that works, is what I'm saying. We're only just beginning to understand how powerful we are. Don't despair, don't waste time...get to work.

Don’t Let the Bastards Set the Terms of the Argument

Seems to me that the OP argument boils down to: "Don't listen to logic or reason!" "We're right because we say so; so they must be wrong whatever they say!" "Don't risk thinking for yourself; we'll do your thinking for you." How very totalitarian.
Fuck the NRA? The NRA has long been a force for exactly what the left claims to want-gun safety and reasonable gun control. So...sorry, I forgot you were just ordered not to listen to logic or reason. Silly me.
The actual problem is evil and/or batshit crazy people committing evil and/or batshit crazy acts. Muslims have well and truly proven that guns (nevermind guns of a particular type or ammunition capacity) are not needed for such acts.
The gun control issue is settled. Individual Americans have the Constitutional right to keep and bear arms. So sez the Constitution. So sez the USSC. So sez I. Yes, some reasonable regulation is allowed but not to the point that it infringes on the Right.

 

[forkup]

Believing in rights and the natural right to defend myself using any means at my disposal is not a "lunatic fringe." You who wanting to allow the government the power to extinguish one of our rights is what is a "lunatic fringe" idea. The criminals and lunatics will still get the guns. Just like drug addicts STILL get the drugs. Just like during prohibition, people were STILL drinking alcohol, etc., etc., etc. The only people you harm are the law abiding people, like the elderly man who sued the city of Chicago for the right to defend himself against repeated assaults against him.

I don't accept that premise that people with bad intentions always get what they want. The whole reason for instance terrorists in Europe are more and more using vehicles and knives as weapons of choice is that is actually not that easy to get a hold of guns. Both weapons in general are less effective means of killing people as guns are. I also think the whole,its in the constitution is a good argument. So was slavery. The constitution is a legal document and as such subject to changes as society identifies new problems and new moral questions.

Nobody cares. Whether or not you accept the fact that I have certain inalienable rights is irrelevant to the fact that I have these rights. The Bill of Rights is about LIMITATIONS on government. Get it right.

I said I don't accept the premise of your counterargument that criminals will get guns so why even try to stop it. I provided you with a reasoning why. As to me not accepting the fact that you can have your guns. I do, never claimed I didn't. I just pointed out that that fact is yours because of a legal document and as such could, and in my view should be changed. I think this because any law first and foremost should have more advantages then disadvantages to society. Something that in the case of the near unbridled possession of firearms is not the case..

 

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